Candida cleanse at the same time as ... 
missthang
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I just finished 2 weeks of the Master Cleanse, during which I passed what appeared to be tons of biofilm. So now I'm thinking with this biofilm gone or mostly gone, now is the time to rebuild my intestinal lining and repopulate with good bacteria. But I have some questions and would like input.
I'm getting ready to do a Liver Flush in the next day or two (once I feel I can tolerate the oil) and then I plan to eat lots of homemade chicken broth from the gut-healing benefits. I also want to take L-glutamine and colostrum, but I want to make sure I've gotten rid of the rest of the candida overgrowth or I don't know if rebuilding the gut will work. I have a 2-week candida cleanse to take (it has all the standard herbal candida killers in it), but I don't know if I can take it at the same time as the L-glutamine and colostrum. Will the die-off and build up counteract each other?
I was thinking of doing the candida cleanse along with the gut rebuilders for 2 weeks and following up with another liver flush. If I need to do 2 weeks of candida cleanse only followed by a couple of weeks of gut rebuilding remedies before I do my next liver flush, I can, but I'd rather not take this long if I don't have to.
Can any of you think of a reason it would be counterproductive to take antifungals at the same time as the gut rebuilders? Also, what about adding in some George's aloe vera here and there to help soothe inflammation?
Thanks for your feedback.
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... Kcirla
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This is a reply to # 2,038,947First, I think that flushing the liver right now is a great idea. Any introduction of antifungals or colostrum will induce die-off symptoms, and if the liver is packed with stones, it might be counterproductive, as the liver will have a hard time processing the toxins.
You can take the colostrum right away, it's a great supplement, because it directly fights bad bacteria and stimulates the growth of healthy bacteria at the same time.
But in my opinion, glutamine is in my experience a supplement to throw in the bin when you're dealing with gut issues like candida overgrowth and parasites. Why? Because glutamine degrades into ammonia, therefore placing a burden on the liver. If you have candida, that's something you don't wanna do, because it is very likely your liver has already a hard time processing the candida toxins.
Instead you could use OKG (Ornithine alpha-Ketolutarate), which is a precursor to glutamine, and actually removes ammonia. Great for dealing with leaky gut and parasites, which produce massive amounts of ammonia.
You can take antifungal right away, if you're not overwhelmed with the die off symptoms. I suggest also ingesting kefir for probiotics supplementation. Very powerful stuff for dealing with candida, so watch out for the healing crisis if you introduce all those things.
Last thing, Aloe Vera is always great to add. Mildly antifungal and very soothing to the gut.
I hope that helps
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... missthang
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This is a reply to # 2,038,982Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I was planning to hold off on adding the probiotics based on the idea that unless/until I create a good terrain in my gut, they aren't going to adhere. I've been taking expensive/highly recommened probiotics for about 18 months and while I think they've helped a bit, I haven't gotten the healing from them I've heard others mention. I've also done many rounds of both prescription and herbal antifungals and I would feel better briefly towards the end of those cycles, but the improvement was short-lived. Granted, my candida has lessened substantially since I had my mercury filling removed and chelated the worst of the heavy metals out, but it's still a bit high according to my last stool test.
I kept wondering about the existence of biofilms and when I got a colonic towards the end of this last cleanse and saw what was coming out, the only thing I could think that it could possibly be was biofilm. I've read in several places that those will prevent your antifungals from reaching the most embedded candida/fungus, so once you get rid of those, you'll readlly be able to target the remaining offenders.
So my thinking was to spend a good couple of weeks trying to wipe out the remaining overgrowth while building up the gut lining so it's in a better state for the good bacteria to promulgate.
All this is a long way of saying that it seems like I'd be wasting my time in taking lots of probiotics while simultaneously taking antifungals. On the other hand, if adding the probiotics will help, I'll certainly do it. I just wish I could get some real insight into this. One source says as long as you separate them by a few hours, you can take both at the same time; another says you need to build up your gut lining for at least 4 weeks before the probiotics have any chance of adhering.
I wish I knew which was which.
Btw - I've never heard of the form of L-glutamine you mentioned. The L-glutamine product I have is one from a respected supplement company that also contains some complimentary healing herbs (marshmallow root, etc). What was your experience like with OKG vs regular L-glutamine?
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... Kcirla
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This is a reply to # 2,039,029You're right, probiotics pills will be of very little help. Why? Because most pills on the market are far too low in the amount of probiotics they carry. Also, they're not all designed to survive in the stomach environment, to make it to the gut. And the strains of bacterias they carry (acidophilus, bifidus...) will not kill any fungus, but will just help keeping in check. And you're right, they won't really colonize the gut where the yeast grows.
Kefir, especially homemade milk kefir in my experience, is far more potent than that. First, it has its own antifungal qualities. Kefir is a mix of bacterias and yeasts. Some of them will directly kill the fungus and other unwanted parasites, and at the same time will colonize the gut to replace the "holes" left by the dying fungus, preventing it to come back. Probiotic count of kefir is far more important than any probiotic on the market, more than you can even imagine. The probiotics that homemade kefir carries have also the advantage to be in the ideal environment -the milk- to survive stomach acid and to make it to the gut. And it is very very cheap to make. The antifungals taken at the same time might kill some of the kefir bacterias, but a lot of them will survive as they are so numerous.
Forget the glutamine, really. It is counterproductive in my opinion. I used to feel unwell and have headaches and sometimes kidney pains minutes following its ingestion, all indicating massive ammonia build-up. On the opposite, OKG will help as it directly reduces the ammonia the liver has to process. And will provide all the glutamine (as it is a glutamine precursor) needed by the enterocytes of the gut. But I don't believe you necessarily need OKG to heal a leaky gut.
One thing that made a dramatic impact on my health, is milk kefir retention enemas. They directly provide the friendly microbes where it is needed, and will kill any yeasts present in the colon. Enemas might seem weird to most people, but when you're very sick, you've gotta do what you've gotta do. Beware of the die off symptoms though, it can be very extreme if a lot of kefir is used.
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... jameskep37
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This is a reply to # 2,039,188
The good bacteria in kefir is not designed to kill candida, but generate certain acids that keep candida from going fungal/pathogenic.
Kefir enema's will not kill the yeast but rather will try to keep a symbiotic relationship of good yeast/bacteria.
Agree. Glutamine can produce excess ammonia if too much bad bacteria/fungal candida outnumbers the benefecial flora.
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... Kcirla
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This is a reply to # 2,039,795Sorry but I disagree, kefir IS antifungal. Please visit this adress http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ptr.2650080205/abstract
Also, from my personal experience, milk kefir retention enemas get a lot of fungus out, while water kefir doesn't.- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... jameskep37
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This is a reply to # 2,040,274
The link just talks about antifungal activity. It doesnt indicate how the bacteria in milk kefir can kill fungus. Bacteria in milk kefir is designed to "inhibit" candida but not "kill" candida. The question to ask is what does the bacteria produce to kill candida? Kefir bacteria produces acids( acetic acid, lactic acid, propionic acid etcc... that is designed to inhibit candida but not kill it. Good bacteria in the gut is designed to keep candida under control or inhibit it. But there is always going to be some candida in the gut because bacteria is not designed to "completely" wipe it out. Its a very complicated symbiotic relationship which can wreak havoc on our health if it gets out of balance.
Fungal candida's cell wall is so much stronger than good bacteria its a joke. The chitin in candida's cell wall is so much stronger than bacteria's lipid membrane. It takes about a 10:1 ratio of good bacteria to candida just to keep it under control--at least thats what has been indicated.
I'm glad the milk kefir enema's work for you. Hopefully it keeps workin.
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- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... Kcirla
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This is a reply to # 2,040,275I do know that candida is inhibited by the beneficial acids the good bacterias produce. But I've read somewhere and I believe that the antifungal activity of kefir is due to some of the yeasts present in kefir.
- Re: Candida cleanse at the same time... UserX
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This is a reply to # 2,040,275Kefir contains caproic, caprylic, and capric acid. So yes, it is antifungal.
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