Baking soda made me worse. Others fe... 
North
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It would be nice if some people on this forum would not use attacking language.
Yes, I am still sick, mainly because my stressful life and lack of will power keep me from sticking to a wonderful diet. Yes, I've started all the variations of that diet, including the alkalizing one, but due to the above cannot stick to them for long enough to get far.
Baking soda, while it may help some people, made me worse. That worsening in me was not die off. (I get die off when I avoid all fruit and sweets, I know what die-off feels like in me.) Yet baking soda, whether used orally or in enemas, seems to help some people. Other people the opposite.
All of the actual scientific studies that I've seen, except the orange mold fungus study in the thread lower on this page, strongly imply that C. Albicans grows faster in alkaline conditions, not in acids, if all other conditions are equal. The orange mold study shows the opposite, though.
I saw a post from someone with candida, who had colon tests done where their colon was slightly alkaline, and the labs write-up stated that the average person has instead an acidic colon. So if that person's colon is alkaline, and people without candida have an acidic colon, that made me believe there may be a connection. At the very least, that person who did that colon lab test still had candida, despite their alkaline colon.
Posting that "he/she doesn't know what they are talking about" is not a polite way to make a post on the forum. If you disagree with me, consider another way of responding please.
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,955,168North,
I won't take baking soda orally. The antifungal activity of sodium bicarbonate isn't based in its alkalinity properties.
We have discussed it here in the pass. It is true baking soda is a powerful antifungal. In my country, women do vaginal douches with it to eliminate monilia (candida)
It is also true some lab experiments have found that candida albicans growth better in its pathogenic form in an alkaline media. But, Science is still no clear what provokes candida to become fungal. There are different research pointing to different causes.
If baking soda don't agree with you, avoid it.
Jorge.
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... Piccolo
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This is a reply to # 1,955,203Jorge, what is the reason you don't want to take enteric coated bicarb. capsules orally.
Enemas are never really comfortable to take, are they?
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... Piccolo
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... princeofsin
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This is a reply to # 1,955,168What type of baking soda are you using. You should ONLY be using aluminum Free Baking Soda.
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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This is a reply to # 1,955,283
Ive heard for bicarbonates to be an effective antifungal it has to be infused directly. Orally, it is not very effective(as a strong anti-fungal).
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... Piccolo
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This is a reply to # 1,955,168It seems to me that the lactobacillus produce lactic acid in the intestines but they need the right kind of environment to survive. You can eat tons of lactobacillus and not feel any improvement. Why?
I think that the answer is that the colon is too alkaline for the lactobacillus to survive there.-
Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,955,525Why do you want Lactobacillus in your colon ???
First, actual pharmaceutical probiotics DON'T colonize the gut permanently. They are transient organism that offer temporary colonization only.
The human microbiota is very complex and Lactobacillus and Bifidobacteriums aren't the main enterotypes that dominate the gut flora. The main enterotypes are facultative anaerobic or anaerobic meaning they can not survive oxygenate environments. This limit the pharmaceutical production.
The use of baking soda in enemas is because it is a powerful antifungal in direct contact with the fungus. It has a low impact against bacteria since bacteria are susceptible to acid substances.
There is also another important part with the enemas. Candida Albicans biofilm matrix is mostly glucose that is water soluble. It is probably dissolving biofilms. Water is also removing mucus, stool accumulation, and cleaning, and at the same time delivering antifungals in the cecum and transverse colon. The colon is far away from the mouth but connected to the anus.
As I said, I have fought this syndrome with ALL, you have more than 2000 post by me to check and read what I have done. Nothing could give me the results that this method.
It is the same thing that other Curezone members did in the past but they used only water and took more time.
Jorge.
Here you have a graphic with the human main contributors:
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,955,666James, I haven't done them anymore.
I have concluded this is an infection like any other but in a difficult place to reach. The infection lives inside the intestines where there isn't blood irrigation to delivery the drugs. All what we take orally goes to the blood, so it is lose. The only non-absorbed antifungals I am aware of are the polyenes but you can not take them in enough amount to target the colon efficiently since their toxicity.
Taking supplements by mouth this is an endless battle. Just give a thought to all this.
Jorge.- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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I agree. I think the majority of candida likes to hang out in the colon. Just like the majority of our friendly flora resides in the colon. For those that deal with candida just past the duodenum(myself) Lufenuron is designed to be absorbed into the fatty tissues of the small intestine...probably not much of it reaches the colon although. Lufenuron might not be effective for those that are "not" dealing with "fungal" candida. Maybe thats why lufenuron did not work for you is because more of your candida resided in the colon.
Glad the enemas are working for you. Whats interesting is that Bee Wilder used to do nystatin enemas and said in the past they helped her. But currently she doesnt want to contribute her healing process to them.
The way I gauge of where the candida resides the most is how bad my reaction is to no-no foods and how long those reactions are after I eat. For example, I can react to a no-no meal 3 hrs after I eat ( just past the duodenum area?) and then again 10-14 hrs after I eat (colon area). My symptoms seem to be worst once the no-no food reaches the colon area which would back your idea that more candida resides in the colon. Thats when the enemas can be effective.
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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This is a reply to # 1,955,810As you said, the human friendly flora resides in the colon, no in the small bowel. If Antibiotics disturb the flora, it is happening in the colon allowing candida to flourish. The small bowel is sterile by nature and the antagonistic effect against candida by our bacteria is something that occur in the colon.
So, candida growths in the colon when people take Antibiotics .
The colon is a highly absorptive place ( think about suppositories ) Then, candida MANNA, the toxins that induces severe immune suppression is absorbed in the blood causing cell-mediated immunity suppression allowing fungal focus to appear in the vagina, skin, etc.
Targeting the colon is the key to win. Unfortunately, by mouth is very difficult but we have the rectum, thanks god.
Jorge. - Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... FootDoctor
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This is a reply to # 1,955,810Have you tried oral Nystatin? 5 drops x 4 times a day=2 million units.
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... jameskep37
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... cora
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This is a reply to # 1,955,168
>>All of the actual scientific studies that I've seen, except the orange mold fungus study in the thread lower on this page, strongly imply that C. Albicans grows faster in alkaline conditions, not in acids, if all other conditions are equal. The orange mold study shows the opposite, though.
Many organisms (fungus/mold) respond to a various pH ranges. Those posting on this forum often have little to no evidence or proof related to which strain (if any) has developed (or become hypheal and/or state of overgrowth), to which they are having a "reaction", and if multiple organisms exist AND which is the prominent culprit.
Most, but not all, are shooting in the dark.- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... Piccolo
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This is a reply to # 1,955,554Thanks for the information. I was just wondering in what way does that info help us to regain our health?
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... Piccolo
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- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... brocc0live
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This is a reply to # 1,955,168Alkalizing the body can cure candida and even cancer (look it up).
It can neutrlize the intestines and we want that area to be acidic so that candida dies.
Thing is you've probably been doing it wrong. Baking soda should be taken 2 and a half hours before and after eating not to disrupt digestion. And instead alkalize the body not the intestines. That's what I have understood so far.
- Re: Baking soda made me worse. Other... dvjorge
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