Day 8 - Post-Fast update 
NH.is.Scientific
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Hi everyone,
I've finally found time to fit in an update. I'm realizing just how much time is taken up by preparing meals and eating and it's really cutting into time available for other things such as resting. I'm adding to this by keeping close tabs on how many calories I'm actually taking in as although I'm not worried too much about overeating, I want to make sure that I'm getting sufficient calories to meet my needs.
Other complications are that I haven't been sleeping well on many nights leaving me needing to go back to bed during the day and I'm suffering from blurred vision still which makes reading and computer work harder than before. The blurring started early in the fast so I'm doubly concerned that it is still going on. I'll have to see where it settle over the next month as I couldn't bear it if it stayed this bad. I'd have to give up doing anything that requires glasses for the foreseeable future and use the Batesian-type methodology in earnest.
Hopefully all will settle down soon.
The upside of this is that eating has been a great pleasure for me and the digestive system seems to be back up and running nicely. I've only gained 4 pounds over the week which no doubt reflects the fact that my intestines are full of food. Between drinking water and the water content of my food, I'm usually getting 5 litres intake per day which must be hiding out somewhere as well.
Vitals
Weight: 114 lbs (started last week at 110 lbs)
Calories: 1830 in 3933 grams of food (oversight as I wanted at least 2000 kcals)
Water: 2.0 Litres
Total water (food and drink): 5.0 Litres
Thanks for listening!
NH...
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,928,752
Yes I remember how getting back to eating meant so much less time. :-)
You might try the Mantak Chia method (others have used also)
of putting a drop or two lemon or lime juice in some distilled water, in an eyecup--one for each eye in the AM.
I remember my eyes got kind of awful, sticky and blurry toward the latter half of a fast, and it suggested I quit the fast too soon. As a result, I ended up using Dr. Christopher's recipe for eyewash for about a week, I think.
That fixed it.
My eyes continue to get better: clearer, stronger, bit by bit. I haven't done the lemon, but I'm going to start; it is just too simple a thing not to do--I want to keep getting better and younger. So far, it's working.
Chiron.
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update thinker2012
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,928,850
I get eye strain if i look at things i do not find pleasing or interesting to look at, for too long of a time.
I keep visually beautiful artwork and colors around me and focus on that and things in nature that are pleasing to my eyes and my eyes feel good.
The brain can not distinguish between a beautiful painting, say a beautiful sea painting or a lovely garden painting and an actual sea view or garden view.
So the brain registers both pleasant scenes, either painted or natural as equally relaxing
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,929,072The brain can not distinguish between a beautiful painting, say a beautiful sea painting or a lovely garden painting and an actual sea view or garden view."
So true!!! well said. And that being so, the implications are more profound than we can imagine, because we are *always* taking in images, and storing them as imprints, that create new seeds...(thank about what our billboards are doing to us!)
PS- I think the general idea regarding eyestrain is for people to stop every fifteen to twenty minutes and look into the distance...This implies there IS a distance to look into.
(We need that, for our thinking) A good painting would have the same effect, in terms of keep the eyes sharp. And perhaps the consciousness, too
Chiron
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update thinker2012
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This is a reply to # 1,929,104
You can also save a ton of money by buying a beautiful scenic ocean painting and hanging it on your wall to enjoy instead of spending a small fortune on an ocean front condo or home with same scenic view. :) :)
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update thinker2012
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- Good point, thinker2012. Thanks! - ... NH.is.Scientific 12 y 1,910
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
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- Thanks, Chiron - n/m NH.is.Scientific 12 y 1,882
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update thinker2012
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update thinker2012
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This is a reply to # 1,928,752
After prolonged fruit fasting I no longer had patience for pots pans cooking lugging, or paying for food that tasted like old shoe leather or dirt (vegetables/beans) when I cooked or ate it, that is when I began researching breatharians as viable.
I found in water only fasting it is very hard to work around heavy food addicted people and stay on a water fast, the food addicted have sooo many bizarre thoughts about putting foregein objects in thier mouths, they count b-12s?, and claim they must have, eat thier pound of flesh a day, covered in something gooey and offensive smelling, even though they have an extra 50 pounds of flesh and goo already hanging off of them, or they eat chalk and call it amino acid vitamins and they emit such stressed chaotic food energy emissions, I find I have to break a water fast and eat food just to get grounded, a bit sleepy, internally distracted with digestion, to tolerate, absorb the food addicts crazy vibes and the 'eating things' addiction beliefs and appetites they have, to get work done.
Water fasting is best done imo, in quiet calm stress free natural environments with other non food addicted people around. People who live to eat are always making up fantasticly complex silly stories about why they must shove non bio compatable foregein objects into thier mouths.
They remind me of unsupervised 2 year olds that eat the lead paint chips, dirt and dead flies off of window sills and then make up fantastic childish stories about why eating lead paint chips, dirt and dead flies off the window sill is something they 'need' to do. Nonsense! And these are big mis-shapen forgein object clogged ill 40 year olds, not 2 year olds!Will try attempting another water fast next or following week when I have more peaceful time.
Thanks for your post N.H., am not surprized you note the time waste of food, I am surprized you enjoy the weight of food again in your stomach, in my experience if i eat 4 pounds of food i eliminate 4 pounds of food minus a quarter ounce of acid bile food mixed fluid my intestines squeesed out through peristalis and left to sit into my abdomen cavity until it disseminates and flows through my circulatory system and bloodstream for a day or two until my phagocytes eat, remove the forgein matter or it is deposited somewhere internally to sit.
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,929,059thinker2012,
I'm with you on a lot of what you say but I am a slave to my instincts which were apparently honed over millions of years of our ancestors living and thriving on scrumptious fruit. Why fight it? It's a symbiotic relationship and I'm doing my part.
I cooked a stir-fry meal for my wife tonight that at no time enticed me to even taste it. I wouldn't consider eating anything slathered in processed oil whether cooked or not and hopefully will never feel desperate enough to have to.
What I did do today was go overboard with my fruit intake. Tomorrow could be difficult too as I have a lot of bananas getting ripe all at once. I did plan for this so as long as I can resist some of the other fruit available, I should be able to not overeat.
Regards,
NH...- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,929,110you could always invite someone to help you eat the bananas.
:-)
It's bizarre, when you think about it, to have a surfeit of food one feels compelled to eat on one's own.
best, Chiron- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update trimnut2
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,929,121Come on Chiron share some of those bananas.
Hello NH, Reading your posts for some time and knowng your food attitudes, are there any fermented foods amongst your post fast foods.
As said befre thanks for the documentation. T2- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,929,244trimnut2,
Not for me the pre-fermented foods! I wouldn't choose to eat anything overripe.
Would you pick a rotting apple from a tree and consume it?
NH...- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update trimnut2
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This is a reply to # 1,929,361NH I took some time to understand your reply - I hope?
By "pre-fermented" I assume you meant foods fermented before consumption rather than foods eaten before they ferment. Which is what I initially thought you meant and indeed hoped that you did. Rainy - can I hear laughing?
There are only a passing references to fermentation and "over-ripe" fruit (whatever that means) in most of the fermentation literature. Linking "pre-fermented foods" and over-ripe fruit is not a connection that makes much sense to me.
Actually I would eat a "rotten" apple if it was a bletting variety as some of the older apple varieties are. The bletting fruits are amongst my favourites: Medlars Sorbus to name two. Rotten to some but delightful for me and thems that know.
As someone who has a very broad diet: edible weeds, numerous flowers, fermented foods of many varieties, a large range of root crops, over 100 different perennial leaves, and a large collection of productive trees, both carb and or fruit, I am only amused with the prudery, masking ignorance, that many use as their reactions to "unusual" foods. And no I am neither offended nor do I mind if you do not like what I eat.
Fermented foods are highly supportive of the re-establishment of intestinial culture. Hence my initial question.
T2
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,929,603T2,
I think we had this discussion before but I don't feel that I have sufficient knowledge to start ingesting bacteria cultures to help my body live healthily. Other than feed it the foods that I know it's biologically adapted to, I leave it well enough alone.
By pre-fermented, I was referring to the fermentation that occurs internally if we combine fruit protein and/or starches. The quickly digested fruit gets held up in the stomach while the proteins and starches get digested and quickly start to ferment generating alcohol and other toxic substances that we don't need.
Regards,
NH...- An important discussion here. n/m T2 trimnut2 12 y 1,838
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update trimnut2
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,929,121I'd love to have company who enjoy the same foods that I do!
Juggling food stock to ensure enough is available without overdoing it takes a bit of practice and a certain amount of luck.
NH...
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update trimnut2
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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This is a reply to # 1,929,059Ha Ha! I loved your message. It was funny and held a lot of truth at the same time. ;) Yes, I know, some of the truth was also very sad. At any rate, I thought it was a great post.
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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This is a reply to # 1,929,273PS: There is a fine line between comedy and tragedy. I think your post gives us an example of this.
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,929,059Thinker,
For a "thinker", there's sure a lot of fallacy in your strawman attacks.
there are plenty of very healthy meat eaters. My grandpa just died at 93 and his widow just celebrated her 90th birthday. She's quite healthy. Both ate copious amounts of meat. We should all hope to live that long.
You people on your aesthetic diets are a real hoot. I'll be you don't get invited to a lot of parties. Our family stopped inviting our vegetarian friends over because, basically, they are a pain in the a$$. We don't cook vegetarian, frutarian, raw or what have you. We cook normal, healthy food.
My children eat meat every day. They are very healthy.
If you want to please God, eating meat is essential. It is a reminder that the consequence of sin is death. We are to eat meat with thanksgiving. The animal sacrificed his life for us just as Christ sacrificed his life for us. Animals were given to us by God as a resource, not to be worshiped as some sort of equivalent living being.
We are also told in the Bible that those believers who eat meat are of stronger faith.
Christians are instructed in the Bible that when they are a guest, they are to eat what's put before them. You're a lousy house guest if you are turning your nose up at a meal that somebody went out of their way to prepare for you, healthy or not. That's why we are to ask God's blessing on the food. If it is less than optimum, He can intervene. Our ultimate health is in His capable hands. And I'll tell you, God is far more interested in our spiritual health than our physical health. Our physical bodies last only a short time, but our spirit will enter into eternity, to everlasting life or everlasting torment.
If you want to be more accurate in your attacks, you should attack the commercial farming system, who feeds their beef grain. Cows are a rudiment and are designed to eat grass. Grass-fed beef has more healthy omegas than fish. If you could take a moment to "think" and discern between the "pink slime" we get in the grocery store and healthy, naturally raised livestock, you might see things in a different light.- Golthing, read Genesis 1:29 eom thinker2012
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- Re: Golthing, read Genesis 1:29 eom Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,929,505There are many reasons why there are unfortunately hundreds of Christian sects and cults. One of them is poor reading skills.
Many people read various segments of the Bible out of context and apply it to themselves. That's a fatal error.
The verse you list does not apply to this day and age. It was given to Adam and Eve prior to the fall.
Before the fall, there was no need of blood sacrifice to cover our sins. After the fall, mankind was under the curse of God, and a perfect sacrifice was necessary for our salvation.
If you read the rest of the Bible, everybody ate meat. The only Christians who didn't eat meat were called weak in faith. (Romans 14:2)
The most sacred holy tradition to the Jews is Passover. The central practice is to eat a lamb. Not just eat it, but gobble it down while standing and splash the blood on the doorposts. God likes this, even though some may not understand it. It is a picture of his precious Son who's blood was spilled for us.
The priesthood was commanded to eat the meat of the animal sacrifices during the Old Testament Law.
In Acts 10, which I hope you will read, Peter is told that not only can he continue to eat meat as he had been doing, now that the church age is ushered in after Christ's ascension, he was to eat all forms of meat, even those previously considered "unclean".
Verse 13 of Acts 10 was a command from God and unmistakable: And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
For those on this board who aren't Christians and don't want to eat meat, that's fine, but for us Christians (as well as many other religions) meat is an essential part of our existence.
If my eating meat pleases God, then you can bet I'm going to do it. If it makes me unhealthy (which it won't if the meat is blessed by God and I make at least some attempt not to eat processed garbage), I don't care. I am promised a new body that will never get sick for eternity. The Bible teaches that the present sufferings we endure in our temporal bodies is nothing compared to the glory God's children will receive in eternity.
I know it's important to consider our current lives and health, but to do it at the neglect of the eternal is tragic.
Moderation is the key!
- Re: Golthing, read Genesis 1:29 eom Golthing
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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This is a reply to # 1,929,344I agree with what you say, Golthing, although by nature I am not much of a meat eater. I am not a vegetarian either as I do sometimes eat meat. When I read the post I was not thinking in terms of the attack on meat eaters, but on eating unhealthful foods in general. That's why I thought the post was funny and had some truth in it. I see in another post that you are being attacked as being a heavy meat eater. I was wondering how the poster even knew that you are a heavy meat eater. I lot of us here are not vegetarians. Even Chrisb1 says he eats some meat occasionally. At any rate I think everyone's system is different and some people may require more meat than others. Some people may feel better on a vegan diet where others would be left ill eating that way. So some people may need to be heavy meat eaters to be in their best health. I totally agree with you that our best source of truth is in the Bible and you seem to know it well. :). I appreciate your posts referencing such things.
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,929,602Did you read the Upton Sinclair article that talked about when he was vegetarian, he had better physical strength, but found that he couldn't think very well? He then added Salisbury steak into his diet and the cognitive powers returned.
Interesting to say the least, and perhaps a little counter intuitive.
I think it's here:
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020106/02010600frame.html
- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Rainy.
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update Golthing
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- Golthing, read Genesis 1:29 eom thinker2012
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update NH.is.Scientific
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- Re: Day 8 - Post-Fast update chirontherainbowbridge
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