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wheretheresawill
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More...it's been nearly two months now since I started taking Ionic Copper drops at 10 drops per day and have reduced this lately to only 5 drops for five days with 2 days at 10 drops.
it appears Ionic Copper might be helping in my long-term systemic infection, have not felt any obvious activity in my tissues since taking it although one can never be absolutely sure but I do feel, this supplement has had a positive effect.
one other really positive result has been shown in my facial skin and tissue, the sub-cut tissue has become much firmer and thicker so this must be so much better than filler or botox and cheaper, it's a real bonus from such a supplement.
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... LoricaLady
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,917,628Hey, for me the vanity factor is kicking in. So you had no side effects at all? Where did you get your product from? What is it's name?
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,917,644no kidding considering the trouble I've had with this infection, I think I look 10 years younger!
I got my Ionic Copper Concentrate dietary supplement in the UK as there are several brands, mine is < New Beginnings" - and I have seen plenty brands available in the States too. Mine cost around $27 [£23] approx.
I know copper contributes to the formation of collagen and also deters and/or eradicates parasites, they use copper sulphate in water treatment I believe or used to.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,917,644forgot to say that I had so side effects with Ionic Copper taking the stipulaed amount of daily drops except I noticed I became a bit constipated, this is a known side effect with copper but that can be remedied.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... david1o1
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This is a reply to # 1,917,628Yes copper has been known and is still used today to kill or to repel all kinds of bacterias, fungus, insects.
One limit to use a copper solution or a silver solution is that it can build up in you system and may cause others problems (electrosensibility may be caused by too many metals deposits in the tissues)
So beware of what doses you take.
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have not felt any obvious activity in my tissues since taking it
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Maybe you feed them what they like and they are happy so they don't move...
I say that for a treatment to be considered effective against parasites, it must produce die off, lack of movement of the worms, lack of pricks sensations, lack of scratches sensations may be an indicator, but you must also expell them somehow, whether it is in the feces, the urine, the phlegm from that come from the nose or/and mouth.
I know that some parasites are too tiny to be seen with the human eye, but when you kill them, this will produce die off symptoms too.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... LoricaLady
12 y
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This is a reply to # 1,917,891I agree that if you don't get any die off or see dead bugs sometimes that it's questionable how much help is forthcoming.
How does one know how much colloidal copper to take? I am curious as another poster said it helped with her collagen production.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,917,908as to dosage, my 50ml bottle clearly states 10 drops daily, of course after taking Ionic Copper solidly for a full month or more, reducing to 5 drops or even taking this supplemenet every few days would ensure one has sufficient copper.
and as to seeing evidence this is not plausable with those parasites that have resided within the sub-cut tissue or internal organs as if it were the case in intestinal/colon areas.
die-off is not always pronounced, I have felt periodic extreme fatigue for years, and since taking the Ionic Copper, feeling juck with a sick looking pallor. Any itching I felt was more likely to be my immune reaction to their activity and toxins but I really don't think skin itching is always significant to mean die-off, over the years I had plenty red flaring itching streaks whilst taking medication but still had repeated cycles of continuing activity year later, by this I mean disseminated and not intestional infestation.
Copper is known to stimulate collagen production, it is included in some beauty creams but nothing beats taking this element internally when it is known there can be deficiencies as in food natural or otherwise.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... sd2345
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This is a reply to # 1,918,180I have never been one to fall for the hype of beauty creams, always choosing to nourish from within. I read the book the wrinkle cure many years ago. It made sense to me. I never fell for the beauty cream scam "improves the appearance" of wrinkles, I wanted to stop them from forming. I use creams with the right ingredients from where I buy my vitamins, I tan, but very slowly and carefully, and drink lots of water. One supplement I have been taking for many years is called Hydraplenish. It has to be taken with Vit-C, which also helps to build/keep collagen. From the age of 36 to my present age of 45, no new wrinkles.
Now, that being said, this parasite thing has done a number on my skin, and when I am sick from it, I tend not to take my supplements and it shows. I can't do anything about the loss of volume in my skin and face, but I credit Hydraplenish for helping me to retain some skin quality. As soon as I feel better, I start taking it again, and the improvement is noticable after just a couple of days.
This copper thing is interesting, I may have to try it. Right before I got sick, I bought some very expensive copper peptide body creams for some rejuvenation after losing weight. But, once I got sick, I never bothered, and the $80 cream is in a box somewhere unopened - Along with the last two years of my life.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,918,184yes there are many scams with beauty creams so feeding from within with nutrients, minerals will beat anything a cream can do. I have bought them though, wasted a small of money of them but my mainstray has been vasilene for most of my life and it has not failed me.
I use vasilene with aloe on specific areas on my face, along the natural cheek crease lines, around and under the eyes, across the bridge of nose, down by either side of cheeks and above the lips and honestly I've been
told by my friends they cannot see any lines, considering I'm over mid-life that can't that bad. Also vasilene is good for getting rid of sleep lines and creases too.
You might be pleasantly surprised at the results when taking Ionic Copper which cost nothing like the expense of the creams and there is a definite improvement to be seen in my skin facial tone by thickening and firming it.
I need not say how these infestations cause tissue and skin trauma, I too lost noticeable sub-cut volume on my face as well as my body, certainly more than should have been but when the tissue thickens and firms up any skin manifestation marks will also become less noticeable. When the damage was at its worst, I took a Collagen supplement which helped a bit but not in the way that copper does and as you say the difference can be seen as early as in two days.
yes it's right that healthy and beauty comes from within, it's what you put into your system by way of nutrients and food and reflects outside.
I don't know Hydraplenish, would it be hyaluronic acid with vitamin C. I did read somewhere taking vitamine C along with HA takes away the positive effect of HA, I remember reading about this when I purchased the HA years ago.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... sd2345
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This is a reply to # 1,918,195I can only give my experience. Hydraplenish has both HA and Collagen. You need to take vit-c with collagen, or atleast that is what I heard, so I do. I have never heard to avoid vit-c with HA.
When I take hydraplenish, my skin can go from looking like a lizard, to smooth and hydrated, without lotion, in a matter of days. Then when I used lotion, it's an added bonus. I'm talking legs and arms, as I do use a cream on face daily. The difference in my face is a fullness, or plumpness, which is caused most likely from the HA rather than a collagen supplement. But I have read accounts where women who had HA injections, had newly formed collagen in those areas, which is promising. I remember thinking when I read that, that soon HA will not be avail for injection, due to the fact that it might eliminate the need for future injections.
It's just one of those things you have to try and see if the effect is the same. I think I might try your copper though, can't hurt. Your testimony means more than a random one on a skin website :)
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... sd2345
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... sd2345
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,917,891of course one does not want to accumilate an excess of copper so care should be taken to adhere to the correct dosage as too much will have accumulating side effects.
as to feeling obvious activity, that I have had as well as a period of weeks, months, even to a full year in 2006 of blissful non-activity and then it started over again, first with a few light lighting ticking or wriggling sensations which can fast or slow which all lead me in 2010 to have a full blown hyperinfection/infestation where they once again could be felt moving through my tissues, all over head, scalp, face and body areas leaving their skin manifestation marks too.
'they don't move' - when you say they might be happy feeding on whatever they like including the copper so they don't move - you say further for a treatment to be considered effective, it must produce die-off, 'lack of movement'? Movement or not, there is no sure way of telling.
all I know from my 12 year long infection, that quietness means nothing, it more than likely means it is just dormant but its reproduction cycles could be just waiting to flare up again later.
with systemic disseminated infestations except where one sees evidence from a gut infection, with sub-cut tissue infections one just hopes you don't feel their activity back again and with that you begin to look and feel healthier again but again time is of the essence.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... david1o1
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This is a reply to # 1,918,183[quote]
they don't move' - when you say they might be happy feeding on whatever they like including the copper so they don't move - you say further for a treatment to be considered effective, it must produce die-off, 'lack of movement'? Movement or not, there is no sure way of telling.
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I say that for a treatment to be considered effective against parasites, it must produce die off, lack of movement of the worms, lack of pricks sensations, lack of scratches sensations may be an indicator, but you must also expell them somehow, whether it is in the feces, the urine, the phlegm from that come from the nose or/and mouth.
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I clearly explain that lack of movement should not be considered as a success if there is no die off after the treatment.
But if you do a treatment that produces a great die off, then if you don't feel any annoying symptoms, i think that's a good sign. However i agree that it is important to do another treatment from time to time to kill the remaining larvaes.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,918,258you can't expell those that are living within the body's subcutaneous tissue/fat, they are not going to move after treatment conveniently towards the intestine, colon, nose, throat or any other orifice although scattering/migration can be felt, I've never had any leave through the skin pores as they are bigger in size than micro filaria nor did any exit from the butt except for once at the beginning of the infection, a large red worm about 10 inches, it was extremely lively when I pulled back the duvet, quite a shock it was and it was never felt exiting.
It is my view in systemic disseminated infestations only, there are no ways any one treatment could be proved conclusively to be near 100% effective if at all.
Even when migration or scattering is felt, for instance when the parasites' demise is in situ in the tissues the adults along with their varying stages of larvae, ova/eggs whether encysted or not, a herx might well be experienced, yes only might be - with symptoms of gross fatigue, nausea, low mental clarity, aches/pains, high temp, itching, swellings, rashes, disruptive stools with or without parasites, but that is not always the case particularly with systemic hyperinfections.
In my long experience of taking various herbs and medications herx's were never clear cut, yes I did feel die-off at times which felt horrible as described above to the point of not functioning but then the reproducing cycles along with the adults and their larvae were distinctly felt again which continued for months and years that followed and that was after several herx reactions.
Whether die-off is experienced, it is not on its own a conclusive factor that the treatment was successful, that's my opinion.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... david1o1
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This is a reply to # 1,918,339[quote]
you can't expell those that are living within the body's subcutaneous tissue/fat, they are not going to move after treatment conveniently towards the intestine, colon, nose, throat or any other orifice
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The cells will try to eliminate the foreign materials, there are the blood and lymph networks designed just for that.
If you believe that dead worms or their waste stay in your body, you'll be already dead.
And yes the die off symptoms are more important when there are more dead worms or waste to eliminate.
But i agree with you, several treatments should be done regularly in order to kill the remaining larvaes. - Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,918,339ideally the human body can and should eliminate to render both dead cells and foreign invaders harmless enough to re-enter the bloodstream for elimination but when macrophages and t-cells, the latter being the killer cells, become overwhelmed they may allow some dead cells to go unprocessed which can in time develop into another disease, like cancer.
DNA from these dead cells may trigger inflammatory reactions as they combine with other substances.
it is of no coincidence that not long after I became infected throughout my body, I developed t-cell cancer, a non-hodgkins lymphoma which promotes clones of the t-cell that manifests in the skin by developing into plaques, patches and tumors. There was no incidence of this cancer in my family and being a rare cancer I'm absolutely sure that my t-cells were overwhelmed during the initial stage of the infestation in trying to control the infection that these t-cells then developed into clones of themselves.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... david1o1
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... david1o1
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... LoricaLady
12 y
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... #140985
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This is a reply to # 1,917,628I love the copper supplement! It is already making my skin look fantastic in just a few days!
My skin was looking very dry , I believe it works better than neem.
My para's have slowed down and are barely moving..can't wait to see what all will happen in a month.- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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This is a reply to # 1,918,837oh that is pleasing to hear, you know one does not want to over react when there is an improvement especially having a long term systemic infestation, but finger's crossed I've not had any activity for nearly two months now.
When I first took Ionic Copper I felt only a few movements on only a couple of occasions but now it seems to have finished.
Yes it's amazing what Ionic Copper does to the skin and the sub-cut tissue, my face is so much firmer in tone, looking at least 10 years younger now, its unbelieveable that a supplement could have such an effect in a short time as I found the effect worked within days.
I really think copper effect parasites in negative way.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... #95010
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This is a reply to # 1,918,868David, where did you get your copper suppliment and how much to take? Thanks, Karen
Ps better after A LOT of Ivermectin but not cured.
- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... #95010
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... wheretheresawill
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- Re: disseminated round and/or flatwo... LoricaLady
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