Prostate Cancer 
healthychef
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James,
My step-father was diagnosed with prostate cancer 3 years ago. He underwent radiation treatments and was it he was in remission. About 8 months ago his PSA scores started to climb. Over the next two months they doubled and the Oncologist stated that this is a sign that the cancer has returned. He is 81 years old and the medical community will not treat him again due to his age. I put him on your general cancer formula. He's been on it now for 4 solid months. He feels good and his PSA scores went from 7.25 to 6.89. However, he had an appt with the Ongologist today that said the more important marker is his testosterone levels which are extremely high at 800. Therefore, she claims he has cancer and its being fed large meals by the over abundance of testosterone. Why are his testosterone levels so high? How can we bring them down? Do you have a specific formula for prostate cancer?
Thank you so much!
H. C.
- Re: Prostate Cancer Hveragerthi
12 y
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My step-father was diagnosed with prostate cancer 3 years ago. He underwent radiation treatments and was it he was in remission. About 8 months ago his PSA scores started to climb. Over the next two months they doubled and the Oncologist stated that this is a sign that the cancer has returned.
PSA is really a garbage test. Several things can raise PSA including caffeine, infection and BPH. It does not automatically indicate cancer.
He is 81 years old and the medical community will not treat him again due to his age. I put him on your general cancer formula. He's been on it now for 4 solid months. He feels good and his PSA scores went from 7.25 to 6.89. However, he had an appt with the Ongologist today that said the more important marker is his testosterone levels which are extremely high at 800.
Do you know 800 what? If they mean 800ng/dl is not high. Normal total testosterone in men is considered up to 1070ng/dl.
Therefore, she claims he has cancer and its being fed large meals by the over abundance of testosterone.
Again, elevated testosterone does not mean someone has cancer. But high testosterone could lead to prostate enlargement, which in turn can lead to elevated PSA. This goes back to my old post about how doctors rely too heavily on inaccurate lab tests instead of using common sense, which can lead to misdiagnosis. Did the cancer return? Possibly, but their findings do not prove this. Do the elevated PSA and testosterone confirm a return of the cancer? Not at all.
Why are his testosterone levels so high? How can we bring them down?
First thing that has to be kept in mind is that hormone testing are some of the least accurate tests out there. Something as simple as his being angry at the time the sample was taken can raise testosterone levels.
If his testosterone levels are truly high then this could be from a number of things. Testicular or adrenal tumors, hyperthyroidism or certain medications such as anticonvulsants. Prostate cancer does not increase testosterone since the prostate does not generate testosterone.
Do you have a specific formula for prostate cancer?
Nothing specific. But some things I would recommend would be the Live-R-ight formula, jiaogulan (Gynostemma) tea and eating less animal proteins and increasing the consumption of plants for their phytoestrogens.
- Re: Prostate Cancer JC73
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This is a reply to # 1,897,452Increasing plant foods is a good idea since there are areas of the world where prostate cancer is almost non-existent and those are areas where the diet is a near vegan diet.
The PSA test does not save lives and it causes too much unnecessary treatment,but it has been shown to be a good indicator of the progression of prostate cancer once it is diagnosed.Certain higher levels of PSA are statistically correlated to more serious cancers.I don't remember the exact number (somewhere in the 20-40 range)but a high PSA reading is very strongly correlated to cancer that has spread beyond the prostate.(strongly correlated even considering the false readings due to severe inflammation or infection)
There are some rare cases where infection and even severe inflammation can also cause these higher PSA levels but it is very rare and usually not sustained long term....and not enough to affect the statistical correlation of high PSA and deadly cancer)
So is the PAS a junk test?...well yes and no.It doesn't save lives overall but very high levels are so strongly correlated with deadly prostate cancer that it does have some uses,especially in determining when treatment may be appropriate.But what type of treatment is another matter to consider.....personally I would prefer some type of alternative treatment....herbs,diet,ozone,etc.....and NOT chemo or radiation.
- Re: Prostate Cancer healthychef
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Thanks to you both.
The prostate cancer was confirmed by a biopsy the first time around. This second time around the doctors are making assumptions based on the fact that he ad it before and all of his values were down to normal after radiation. I have asked my stepdad to get a copy of medical records over the past 4 years including his lab tests, biopsy etc... It might take a few weeks but I'll be back with more information.
Thanks a million!
H. C.
- Re: Prostate Cancer Hveragerthi
12 y
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The prostate cancer was confirmed by a biopsy the first time around.
Something else that needs to be mentioned is has been found that if prostate cancer is left alone that it will often encapsulate and the man can live a full life with little problem. Once they do the biopsy though then it tends to spread as with other biopsied cancers.
This second time around the doctors are making assumptions based on the fact that he ad it before and all of his values were down to normal after radiation.
They should not assume like that. Putting a patient under immune suppressive therapies such as chemotherapy without knowing if there is cancer is not a good idea. Chemotherapy drugs are just too dangerous to be used on an assumption.
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This is a reply to # 1,897,510
So is the PAS a junk test?...well yes and no.It doesn't save lives overall but very high levels are so strongly correlated with deadly prostate cancer that it does have some uses,especially in determining when treatment may be appropriate
In my opinion for a test to not be a "junk test" it should have a certain degree of accuracy, which PSA does not have. In my opinion the only tests that are more inaccurate than antigen tests are hormone tests.
Look at some of the statements made by the about this test:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/detection/PSA
"It is normal for men to have a low level of PSA in their blood; however, prostate cancer or benign (not cancerous) conditions can increase a man’s PSA level. As men age, both benign prostate conditions and prostate cancer become more common. The most frequent benign prostate conditions are prostatitis (inflammation of the prostate) and benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) (enlargement of the prostate). There is no evidence that prostatitis or BPH causes cancer, but it is possible for a man to have one or both of these conditions and to develop prostate cancer as well.
A man’s PSA level alone does not give doctors enough information to distinguish between benign prostate conditions and cancer. However, the doctor will take the result of the PSA test into account when deciding whether to check further for signs of prostate cancer.
"False-positive tests: False-positive test results (also called false positives) occur when the PSA level is elevated but no cancer is actually present. False positives may lead to additional medical procedures that have potential risks and significant financial costs and can create anxiety for the patient and his family. Most men with an elevated PSA test result turn out not to have cancer; only 25 to 35 percent of men who have a biopsy due to an elevated PSA level actually have prostate cancer (3)."
"Why is the PSA test controversial in screening?
Using the PSA test to screen men for prostate cancer is controversial because it is not yet known for certain whether this test actually saves lives. Moreover, it is not clear that the benefits of PSA screening outweigh the risks of follow-updiagnostic tests and cancer treatments. For example, the PSA test may detect small cancers that would never become life threatening. This situation, called overdiagnosis, puts men at risk of complications from unnecessary treatment."
- Re: Prostate Cancer JC73
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This is a reply to # 1,898,151Still if a man has a PSA over 40 there is a very strong chance he has deadly prostate cancer that has spread.
If the PSA is over 20 the probability of cancer is around 95%.
The math of those correlations holds up despite the occassional elevated PSA due to infection or inflammation.
Enlargement and some other factors can elevate PSA but not usually to a great extent.Infection and inflammation can elevate PSA to greater levels but thats rare and not sustained.
Most of the controversy aabout PSA has to do with lower level readings (almost always below 15).
PSA does not save lives because there isn't an effective treatment for the deadly form of cancer.Medication,chemo and radiation may extend life a few months but whats the point.Alternative treatments are another matter but traditional medicine does not even consider them.
PSA also does not save lives because the non deadly form of prostate cancer does not usually kill,so whats the point in detecting it or treating it....(other than to make the urologists rich).
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