Doctors and medical experts are concerned about a new trend taking place on Facebook. Parents are trading live viruses through the mail in order to infect their children.
The Facebook group is called "Find a Pox Party in Your Area." According to the group's page, it is geared toward "parents who want their children to obtain natural immunity for the chicken pox."
On the page, parents post where they live and ask if anyone with a child who has the chicken pox would be willing to send saliva, infected lollipops or clothing through the mail.
Parents also use the page to set up play dates with children who currently have chicken pox.
Medical experts say the most troubling part of this is parents are taking pathogens from complete strangers and deliberately infecting their children.
One concern is that they are sending the virus through the mail.
A Facebook post reads, "I got a Pox Package in mail just moments ago. I have two lollipops and a wet rag and spit." Another woman warns, "This is a federal offense to intentionally mail a contagion."
Another woman answers, "Tuck it inside a zip lock baggy and then put the baggy in the envelope :) Don't put anything identifying it as pox."
"This is dangerous", said Dr. A.D. Jacobson, the chief of ambulatory pediatrics at Phoenix Children's Hospital. He said chicken pox is extremely contagious and is something he would never recommend you send in the mail.
Children can encounter complications like encephalitis and skin infections when they're introduced to the disease.
In rare cases children can die from not getting vaccinated. Dr. Jacobson said that he had a child in the hospital that died at 14 months due to chicken pox pneumonia.
"If you have a young child over to your house specifically to get chicken pox, I don't think anyone would like to really consider what would happen if that child ended up being hospitalized," said Elizabeth Jacobs from the University of Arizona College of Public Health.
CBS 5 producers found others asking for more dangerous pathogens. Two people on the Facebook page were looking for measles, mumps, and rubella.
Jacobs said, "I could never feel good about purposely infecting a child with a disease like that."
According to the Facebook page, parents sent contaminated material from Arizona to California, Tennessee, Louisiana, Georgia, and Canada.
Prosecutor warns parents wary of vaccines: Mailing chickenpox so kids develop immunity illegal
By Associated Press, Published: November 4
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Parents fearful of vaccinations are being warned by a federal prosecutor that making a deal with a stranger who promises to mail them lollipops licked by children with chickenpox isn’t just a bad idea, it’s against the law.
Jerry Martin, U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee, said he was spurred by reports this week by KPHO-TV in Phoenix and WSMV-TV in Nashville about people turning to Facebook to find lollipops, spit or other items from children who have chickenpox.
“Can you imagine getting a package in the mail from this complete stranger that you know from Facebook because you joined a group, and say here, drink this purported spit from some other kid?” Martin told The Associated Press.
Isaac Thomsen, a specialist in pediatric infectious diseases at Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital, said it’s unlikely the items will succeed in giving other children chickenpox.
“If there’s a very high load on the virus and shipped very quickly, it’s theoretically possible,” he said. “But it’s probably not an effective way to transmit it. It typically has to be inhaled.”
But Thomsen warned the lollipops could carry more dangerous viruses, including hepatitis.
Martin said it is a federal crime to send diseases or viruses across state lines, whether through the U.S. Postal Service or private services like FedEx or UPS. Sending the lollipops would be illegal under the same law that makes it illegal to mail contagions like anthrax. He said a conviction could lead to a sentence from less than a year to 20 years in prison.
Martin said the items are sought by parents who don’t want to give their children vaccines. He said he could neither confirm nor deny that his office is investigating or seeking charges against anyone.
Thomsen, the Vanderbilt physician, said he was even more concerned by a person in the KPHO report seeking items tainted with measles to avoid a school-required vaccination. Measles has a significant mortality rate, causes more complications and is very infectious compared with chickenpox, he said.
And law enforcement won’t take any such cases lightly, Martin said.
“If you are engaged in this type of behavior, you’re not only potentially exposing innocent people to dangerous viruses and illnesses and diseases, you’re also exposing yourself potentially to federal criminal prosecution,” he said.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
I simply do not get this. All this talk for sooo many years about mercury, vaccination and autism, etc.. If autism was caused by mercury I would have been the poster child for autism given the amount & size of the Amalgams that I have had in my mouth!
Has it not ONCE occurred to anyone but me that there is another MORE OBVIOUS explanation for the connection between vaccinations and autism? It has to do with TRAUMA and the FACT that children are TRAUMATIZED by NEEDLES!
Tell me that children don't know any geography and I'll show you any number of kids who start screening their F-ing little heads off when they get from within blocks of their pediatricians office! Why do medicos INSIST on using PAINFUL delivery systems for medications and vaccinations when there are PAIN-FREE methods of accomplishing the same damn thing?!
I haven't had children, but it's my understanding that babies now receive a completely different vaccination "schedule" than what they did when I was a kid... with MANY MORE SHOTS... and each one another trip to TRAUMA-VILLE! The kids that they are calling "autistic" should have their adrenal functioning checked (via saliva and not MORE NEEDLES), monitored for hypoglycemia and also tested for seizure activity.
I WILL SAY IT ONCE AGAIN... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "MENTAL ILLNESS"*.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
NEXT.
*Infecting your children with a disease is NOT a "mental illness", but rather a CRIMINAL ACT and should be treated as such!
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I WILL SAY IT ONCE AGAIN... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "MENTAL ILLNESS"*.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
NEXT.
So what are brain diseases like schizophrenia then? Trauma? Someone not genetically predisposed to schizophrenia could have went through worse trauma but not come out of it with schizophrenia or any other disease of the mind. Or what is it that you are really trying to say? You haven't said anything on here in over 3 years then you come back saying, "I WILL SAY IT ONCE AGAIN...", you must know that there aren't many new people on curezone since then that know your posting history.
Your not going to share the cure with us, your going to keep it to yourself or when you start your business you will charge them for the cure, so what difference does it make to come on here and tell us that, " THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "MENTAL ILLNESS"*.", your not going to help me or anyone else on here with a brain disease treat their brain disease. Or do you even really have a cure that you are keeping a secret? Do you have any clinical experience? Have you helped anyone cure or treat their brain disease other than yourself? Do you think that Lilith is going to cure people for you so you can make a gazillion dollars? Cause that is all I was getting from you from your forum you had on here before.
Got a feeling I've been here before
Watching as you cross the killing floor
You know you'll have to pay it all
You'll pay today or pay tomorrow
You fasten up your beaded gown
Then you try to tie me down
Do you work it out one by one
Or played in combination
You throw out your gold teeth
Do you see how they roll
I have seen your iron and your brass
Can't you see it shine behind the glass
Your fortune is your roving eye
Your mouth and legs
Your gift for the runaround
Torture is the main attraction
I don't need that kind of action
You don't have to dance for me
I've seen your dance before
Do you throw out your gold teeth
Do you see how they roll
Tobacco they grow in Peking
In the Year of the Locust
You'll see a sad thing
Even Cathy Berberian knows
There's one roulade she can't sing
Dumb luck my friend
Won't suck me in this time
Got a feeling I've been here before
Won't you let me help you find the door
All you got to do is use
Your silver shoes
A gift for the runaround
Use your knack darlin'
Take one step back darlin'
There ain't nothing in Chicago
For a monkey woman to do
Do you throw out your gold teeth
Do you see how they roll
You can also do some of your own investigation by watching videos by Colin Ross where he says essentially the same thing regarding "mental illness". There are a growing number of those within the field who are saying the very same thing.
As for my absense over the last few years... I was continuing to go through a personal nightmare and eventually had a return of many of my symptoms along with some new ones. Since Jan 2012 I have been conducting additional research and now not only do I have Multiple Sclerosis, even the Army is now acknowledging this connection as well.
Because you have absolutely no idea what I have been going through or what I'm about... I will leave you with the following to ponder. What was it that I got from YOU when you were coming to my forum? Or for that matter... when you were contacting me by phone and I wasn't charging you a bloody cent? Sucked Me in?... I don't think so! In fact it was YOU who came up empty handed when I asked you for a meager donation!
You are correct about one thing, though... I am going to start my business and I will be charging PLENTY for my services. I have unsurpassed expertise in this area and I deserve to be handsomely compensated for it. For anyone who has a problem with that... they are welcome to locate another doctor.
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when you were contacting me by phone and I wasn't charging you a bloody cent?
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I only spoke to you 2 times on the phone. It was you that didn't want to work with me, you were going by a curezone email address and I sent you a picture of me as you requested. After I told you what my symptoms were and my history you sent me an email telling me that you didn't want to work with me, I can't remember the exact reason why now. You never told me exactly what it is that you do but from our talk I was guessing it was some kind of spiritual healing. The only reason I could guess why you didn't want to work with me is that there really isn't anything you could do for me so you had to use the excuse that it was because I was saying I was a character personage or a walk-in or whatever it was I was saying at the time. I've talked to BnG on this forum over 30 times on the phone, I never heard him say anything about charging me a bloody cent, it just shows you really are after the money.
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What was it that I got from YOU when you were coming to my forum?
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I was just posting my own ideas, what were you supposed to be getting from me? I'm into stuff like that but your the one that closed it down. I thought you were into some kind of spiritual healing and shamanism but when I wanted to work with you you didn't want to have anything to do with me.
So Autism is caused by TRAUMA and the FACT that children are TRAUMATIZED by NEEDLES!
This is just ignorance of the highest order.
Here's a curious "coincidence" for you to ponder. In the late 1930s, Leo Kanner identified autism as a NEW type of mental disorder. So when was thimerosal (the mercury of which is 50 times more toxic than plain old mercury) introduced into vaccines? The 1930s.
The figure now of one autistic infant for every 150 is now widely documented.
You have consistently dismissed my theories while using your own research studies, but each time the studies that you use to support your point are superficial at best... and don't go nearly far back enough in history nor provide the sort of in-depth research for you to make such disparaging comments to me. Given that you have once again resorted to this habit... I will provide some of the studies for you to research yourself.
Keep in mind that psychiatry and psychology were outgrowths of and heavily influenced by the Third Reich and the Eugenics movement. Prior to this time, it was known that the symptoms of what is now labeled as "mental illness" was the result of neurological conditions of precisely the nature to which I am referring.
I should also add that given that it is now known that trauma can result in Multiple Sclerosis... children who have been diagnosed with Autism should also be evaluated for brain lesions. There have already been study using fMRI scanning, but a more thorough method would be to do a standard MRI using an MS Protocol along with Evoked Potential tests.
BTW... thanks for the suggestion to "Go figure." I did... and now I'm going to once again remove myself from this site after making one more reply. I got the same BS attitude when I posted about "PTSD" over 4 years ago... and I simply cannot stomach arrogant dismissals when I know what the hell that I'm talking about!
Oh dear, temper temper!!
Going back to your comment which stirred my interest, that: "there is no such thing as mental illness", I suggest you tell that to people who do suffer from psychoses and neuroses.
Unmasking the quackery of psychiatry...http://www.bigeye.com/szasz.htm
Behavioral disorders can be caused in some by trauma of that I am in agreement, but the vast majority of these disorders are linked either to exogenous toxins or nutritional deficiencies, which both adversely affect the neurological pathways and normal brain function.
MS is known to be caused by the erosion of the myelin sheath and due mainly to an essential fatty acid deficiency (DHA) or a Vitamin D3 deficiency, which is now of pandemic proportions.
The brain and nervous system are susceptible to the same disease-causing process that our other organs of the body are, unless they obey differing physiological laws than the rest of the organism.
Schizophrenia has been treated successfully by water-only-fasting in allowing former sufferers to go on and lead normal lives (Professor Uri Nikolyev of the Moscow Psychiatric Institute) and with Vitamin B3 therapy (Niacin) in Orthomolecular Medicine and not one piece of trauma in sight or in evidence anywhere.
In the same way, the vastly increased development of Autism spectrum disorder is linked heavily to the ingestion of mercury (thimerosal) (an exogenous toxin) via vaccinations. Studies indicate that mercury tends to accumulate in the brains of primates and other animals after they are injected with vaccines. Mercury poisoning has been linked to cardiovascular disease, autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia and many other nervous system conditions. That's why the FDA rigorously limits exposure to mercury in foods and drugs. Some common sources of mercury include dental Amalgam fillings, various vaccines and certain fish contaminated by polluted ocean waters.
Autism affects 500,000 to 1.5 million Americans and has grown at an annual rate of 10 to 17 percent since the late 1980s. California found a 273 percent increase in autism between 1987 and 1998. Maryland reported a 513 percent increase in autism between 1993 and 1998 and several dozen other states reported similar findings. Some scientists say the estimated number of cases of autism has increased 15-fold –1,500 percent – since 1991, when the number of childhood vaccinations doubled. Whereas one in every 2,500 children was diagnosed with autism before 1991, one in 166 children now have the disease.
This increase in reported autism cases eerily parallels the increase in the number and frequency of thimerosal-containing vaccinations administered to infants. As of today, children are given as many as 21 immunizations in the first 15 months of life.
So according to you DrJulienArbor, this correlation is entirely due to an increase in the rates and frequency of cases of trauma!!!
Commonsense and logic, combined with the available evidence states otherwise.
I've checked your video blog but really am none the wiser.
What criminal activity exactly? and in what way specifically is this aimed at you or anyone else?
Trauma plays its part, such as "Gulf War Syndrome" and PTSD, and so on, but I don't believe for one moment that this is the main cause of behavioral issues in the majority.
I find your explanation of your health issues to be confusing and just not to the point, rather than specific, but I do empathize with your suffering.
You will never find true health within the medical system, of that I think most of us are all aware, and the reason curezone exists.
Health of mind and body, can only be achieved holistically: you cannot have one without the other.
If you believe that your issues can be resolved psychologically then you should know, being a Dr of psychology, but after that, do some research on Natural Hygiene, and health of both body and mind are achieved by following its principles as it is based on physiological laws.
I did NOT say that the symptoms of what psychiatry has labeled as psychosis and neurosis do not exist. They most definitely do... but the underlying cause is NOT what psychiatry would have us believe, which is why psychiatry provides no healing.
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And what kind of healing will you provide? I don't think you have any so you had to make an excuse that you went out to"figure". I'll check you other websites off of CZ in the future to see what's up. I still didn't forget that you didn't want to work with me for no reason whatsoever.