Thank you, recently created member, for those words of wisdom in your first ever post here.  I agree, it is too bad that this happened because someone threatened to sue the WM and other members over something that the person is guilty of doing themselves in spades. 

I also agree that no one here is completely innocent.  Are you?  I mean, we hardly know ye.  May those of us deserving lowly sinners who want to make our home a better one expect more words of wisdom from you to guide us in our efforts?

And what exactly is there in my post that is fiction?  I submit that what I posted was not mere opinion, but demonstrable fact.

During your time of "lurking", did you happen to catch the WM's post in Hv's forum where he explained the truth about who banned Hv and why?

How do you, or anyone else, rationally explain why I am banned from no public or debate forums and Hv has been banned from more forums and had more complaints than anyone in the history of CZ?  Speaking of fiction, surely you don't buy into the fiction that it is because of some conspiracy against him or because other moderators did not like his "truth".  Because the fact and not the fiction is that it has been because of his wrong behavior.

Regardless of your opinion of me or what has happened otherwise, do you support Hv for posting a threat to sue the WM?  THAT is what started this debate to begin with, you realize. I and others you and Hv call the usual suspects or Troll Pack or whatever, committed the cardinal sin of coming to the defense of the WM and objecting to the threat against him.  As a result, we are seeing the usual Hv tactic by he and supporters of trying to make the WM's defenders the issue instead of what he did in the first place.

Have you ever seen Hv support the WM or come to his defense?  If you have lurked well enough, you know that just the opposite has happened.  He has in fact called out the WM and attacked him numerous times - most often in a forum he was given solely by the grace of the WM.  Have you seen me or the other "usual suspects" ever call out, attack or threaten the WM?  How about his personal attacks on other members in his private forum?  Does that get your approval too? How about his latest distorted and delusional post (OK, that is opinion, but I think it is an apt one) made just moments ago? And giving himself an RRR rating yet:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1867537#i

And, finally, how about that lovely message he sent to Luella?

In my instance, I DO have my own websites and have for several years.  Likewise, I have a Yahoo forum I have owned and managed for over 6 years.  In addition, I am a writer for several alternative health venues - suc as Natural News, the Health Science Institute's healthiertalk.com, the Crusador online,  Alignlife, etc. I also have two major book projects in the works and a third in the initial stages as well as a major website project in the works.

And I contribute to other forums such as Mercola's and Natural News as well as Facebook.  So yes, I do have a life outside CZ, though sometimes there is a good question of how much of one I have away from this dang cyber umbilical cord attached to my computer.

I have been here and have remained here primarily to help and learn from the very start.  Revenue has always been a distant second for me over helping and learning.  And I have learned very much here, have tried to help very much here and have also made some very valuable friendships here.  THAT is why it is important to me to try to have CZ be a healthy and happy home for myself and all the other members who truly care about the site - and that is why I am likely to spring to the WM's, site's and other members' defense when I see them threatened.

Now, the party in question in this debate also has his own website and his own forum.  At one poijnt, after being banned from multiple forums, having multiple TOS-violating posts removed and having been called down in his own forum by the WM, he left in a huff and retreated to his own forum.  That did not last very long and it is notable that private sites and just about any other site similar to CZ do not have the ability to both offer private forums and generate large amounts of traffic.

I would not be so crass as to suggest that helping others did not play a role in his return, as I am sure that was a consideration.  However, I will note that when selling is a priority as well as when being in the spotlite is a priority, then it is very, very difficult to leave the bright lights of CZ.

I would opine that some people do not seem to realize that they need CZ a lot more than CZ needs them.