This one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Synergy-Ozone-Generator-Single-stage-up-80-ug-ml-output-/...
Why would they trust this one? They claim the production is low voltage, which is impossible. According to The Use of Ozone in Medicine it requires at least 4,000 volts to generate ozone through a dielectric. And they claim an output of 80 gamma, which is too high for internal applications. In addition there is no voltage regulation on the device to control output for different applications, such as internal use. I would only use this machine if I had no other choice since it cannot be used internally easily and this is important for cancer therapy.
Why would they trust this one? They claim the production is low voltage, which is impossible. According to The Use of Ozone in Medicine it requires at least 4,000 volts to generate ozone through a dielectric. And they claim an output of 80 gamma, which is too high for internal applications. In addition there is no voltage regulation on the device to control output for different applications, such as internal use. I would only use this machine if I had no other choice since it cannot be used internally easily and this is important for cancer therapy.
Well HV, that´s the machine you told me to buy. It was the one Gina found and asked for your evakuation some time ago. I already bought it so .... will it´s use be detrimental to my friend??? Thank you.
Why would they trust this one? They claim the production is low voltage, which is impossible. According to The Use of Ozone in Medicine it requires at least 4,000 volts to generate ozone through a dielectric. And they claim an output of 80 gamma, which is too high for internal applications. In addition there is no voltage regulation on the device to control output for different applications, such as internal use. I would only use this machine if I had no other choice since it cannot be used internally easily and this is important for cancer therapy.
Well HV, that´s the machine you told me to buy. It was the one Gina found and asked for your evakuation some time ago.
The descriptions that Gina got from the manufacturer of her machine and the description given on the website different. And the machine that Gina bought I am pretty sure had voltage regulation and the one posted on the original post did not . So I am not sure if they are the same manufacturer or if they are simply different models.
Again this is a reason I hate relying on manufacturers descriptions since it is impossible to tell if they are telling the truth about their devices and it is impossible to tell if a unit is truly a hot or cold corona without looking at how the entire unit is designed. Before they came out with solid state transformers it was a lot easier to figure out since it was simply one dielectric meant hot corona and a dual dilelectric meant a cold corona. With the new solid state transformers though the ultra high frequency drops the resistance of the dilelectrics. So even a dual dielectric tube can act like a hot corona if a solid state transformer is used. And this is often the case as these transformers are popular with many ozone manufacturers due to their low weight and smaller size. They also eliminate the need for very narrow gaps between the electrodes and dielectrics since the resistance is dropped so much. So instead of requiring a gap of no more than a few millimeters gaps can be made up to a centimeter or more. But again this makes the tube act like a hot corona.
I already bought it so .... will it´s use be detrimental to my friend??? Thank you.
A hot corona can be used in a pinch, but it would be best to use pure oxygen with the unit since it is not likely cold corona.
You could end this problem if you would start selling one.There are so many complex differences and ways to use ozone improperly that it's almost a worthless tool(in my opinion).But with a good unit and an instructional video to go with it that would make all the difference.That would insure proper use and knowing the unit is good....that would change ozone therapy into a useful tool.
I agree, but there is a problem. I can build the tubes with no problem and I can even wire a transformer and power switch to it, but that is the limit of my electrical knowledge. If it comes to things with circuitry such as diodes, resistors, bridges, etc. I don't have a clue. And this is required for the power regulation. Regular dimmer switches cannot handle the high voltage transformers. So they have to be modified with resistors to handle to handle the transformers. I did this once about 15 years ago, but it took me days of experimentation to figure it out. And it has to be done differently for different transformers and regulators. My electrical knowledge is just too limited. I had someone a while back that had the electrical knowledge to make the voltage regulators and he wanted to help me make the units, but he never followed through on this or another electrical project I needed done. So I finally gave up on asking him. And I have not found anyone else who can do this for me. So I have shifted my focus on a few other projects that I can do on my own.
I wrote an expert in ozone about my friend and the machine I was buying (gina´s find) and asking for some advise and this is what he answered:
"First I would never trust that ozonator, second there is a lot more to treating cancer than you may know. The cancer will thrive under certain conditions if you use ozone, you see, ozone is a vasodilator and has the ability to create angiogenesis. What this means in a nutshell is that it will better the circulatory system of the person being treated, cancer travels by that system, it may also create collaterals which are blood vessels that are created side by side to allow better blood flow. These are all things that cancer likes and uses. We only recommend ozone use on the first stage, second and maybe third depending on analysis but definitely not at the stage she is in."
From what I read in your posts and what O3 really does to cancer sells due to it´s instability, etc. the things he says don´t really make sense to me. Would you care to comment his remarks? .
The question of angiogenesis actually came up before. What they need to understand is 1. that angiogenesis occurs regardless if ozone is present or not and 2. that ozone kills cancer cells on contact. So the destruction rate of cancer cells will exceed the growth by stimulation by angiogenesis growth factors.
When ozone comes in to contact with cell membranes a lipid peroxide is formed by the reaction of the ozone with lipids in the cell membrane. These peroxides enter in to the various cells. Healthy cells though contain enzymes that break down the peroxides to protect the cells. Cancer cells on the other hand lack these peroxides and thus swell and burst from a peroxide overload. In the whole process the peroxide is broken releasing a singlet oxygen molecule, which then reacts with more lipids creating new lipid peroxides. So a chain reaction is created leading to a lot of cancer cells being destroyed even with small amounts of ozone. So the cancer cells are destroyed faster than they can grow. They are also overlooking the fact that the ozone can use the same vascular system the cancer cells use to move to the cancer cells. So the angiogenesis is not really an issue.
As for the stage of cancer, the further advanced the cancer the more important it is to use something that can destroy cancer cells rapidly and boost the immune system, both of which ozone does.
I have had the "cheap" one for several years, though I don't have cancer. I use a pediatric regulator on the
oxygen tank.
This is some background on the owner and you can call or e-mail him and he always answers (my experience).
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=448105
Just noticed he has a new website
http://www.synergyozone.com
EDIT in same thread description from owner
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=448115
I am glad to see that he added a voltage regulator to the units since it helps to have a variable output. Especially when the original description and photo said 80 gamma, which is too high for internal use, and there was no voltage regulation in the previously shown model.
After reading the description though I am having doubts that this is a cold corona unit. First of all he states that it can only be used with pure oxygen. With true cold corona units air can be used for some applications as they will not form acids like hot corona or ultraviolet units. More importantly is this statement in particular from his description:
"There are metal shavings inside a glass tube with a rod through the shavings which the hot lead connects to. There is a stainless steel tube on the outer side of the glass with a negative lead going to it. (Totally separated from the glass with ozone resistant rings on either end). The oxygen passes in between the glass and the stainless and converts to ozone while being essencially electricuted by a very high output of electricity."
From the description is sounds like there is only one dielectric, which would make it a hot corona, not cold corona. Cold corona requires separation of both electrodes completely from the gas source. According to this description though it sounds like the one electrode is encased in a glass tube, but the stainless tube (2nd electrode), which is separated only by ozone resistant rings is in direct contact with the gas.
Even with a double dielectric the power source could still create a hot corona if high frequency solid state transformers are used as a power source, which I have seen done with similar units.
This is why I hate relying on descriptions from manufacturers. Without actually seeing the design it is hard to tell if a unit is really hot or cold corona.
As for this statement:
"The difference in the two machines being built is that the more expensive machine (525.00 on sale currently) has two stages. The first stage is exactly the same thing as the single stage unit (the lesser expensive machine). The definition of the name Synergy is equal to 1+1=3 or the sum is greater than the total... Our belief is that when the oxygen converts to ozone via the first stage and then is re-ozonated back into the second stage it creates a much purer, stronger, ozone."
Yes, the longer the contact time the gas has in the corona the higher the ozone output is. That is why to get the extremely high concentrations I needed for some experiments I built a 4 foot discharge tube. Since voltage is the other factor I used a 15,000 volt neon transformer to power it since this is the highest voltage neon transformer that can be bought without a license. These are the two primary factors for ozone output. Voltage and length of the ozone tube. Therefore, given the same voltage one discharge tube will produce a lower concentration of ozone than if the gas is run through two discharge tubes giving the gas more contact time with the corona. With ozone therapy more is not necessarily better. Internally concentrations actually must be kept very low to prevent tissue damage and hemolysis of red blood cells.
The question of angiogenesis actually came up before. What they need to understand is 1. that angiogenesis occurs regardless if ozone is present or not and 2. that ozone kills cancer cells on contact. So the destruction rate of cancer cells will exceed the growth by stimulation by angiogenesis growth factors. When ozone comes in to contact with cell membranes a lipid peroxide is formed by the reaction of the ozone with lipids in the cell membrane. These peroxides enter in to the various cells. Healthy cells though contain enzymes that break down the peroxides to protect the cells. Cancer cells on the other hand lack these peroxides and thus swell and burst from a peroxide overload. In the whole process the peroxide is broken releasing a singlet oxygen molecule, which then reacts with more lipids creating new lipid peroxides. So a chain reaction is created leading to a lot of cancer cells being destroyed even with small amounts of ozone. So the cancer cells are destroyed faster than they can grow. They are also overlooking the fact that the ozone can use the same vascular system the cancer cells use to move to the cancer cells. So the angiogenesis is not really an issue. As for the stage of cancer, the further advanced the cancer the more important it is to use something that can destroy cancer cells rapidly and boost the immune system, both of which ozone does.
This was his answer to your comments. Please make your remarks! Thank you so again!
"Works in theory Clarita but every case is different and I as well as our staff have been through too many episodes of cancer travelling faster than ozone to leave a person’s life to a gamble. We have for that reason stopped accepting people with cancer. I understand both your and the persons points but we are talking about lives here. I have heard of success with ozone in cancer and I have seen our own patients come back but I have also seen too much of the reverse occur to be able to safely say to you that you should go ahead, please understand this. Also, as a side note, all things considered there are a few things he/she have not stated and that would be the type of cancer, where, de-tox of the waste, complications of the rapid kill as well as what ozone does to the human body in general under this condition which all comes into play. You see, it is ok to quantify the logical action which is right but there are a host of issues that have to be considered and unless one has had many, many years of experience doing this type of therapy those issues they would never consider.
We maintain that the cost of pulling a stage four or more individual out of their cancer is close to $200, 000USD due to these complications, this we have done, quite a few times so I speak from experience. If you look at modern medicine and its costs, this is a bargain, it is not however covered by insurance and very few can afford it, but that is the reality. This is done with 24 hour care, strict diet and grossly overpriced herbs that are only available from one source as well as ozone and a regime of vitamins, aminos and flushes, to name a few. All this to counteract what occurs in the body, all in all quite a lot of work."
The question of angiogenesis actually came up before. What they need to understand is 1. that angiogenesis occurs regardless if ozone is present or not and 2. that ozone kills cancer cells on contact. So the destruction rate of cancer cells will exceed the growth by stimulation by angiogenesis growth factors.
When ozone comes in to contact with cell membranes a lipid peroxide is formed by the reaction of the ozone with lipids in the cell membrane. These peroxides enter in to the various cells. Healthy cells though contain enzymes that break down the peroxides to protect the cells. Cancer cells on the other hand lack these peroxides and thus swell and burst from a peroxide overload. In the whole process the peroxide is broken releasing a singlet oxygen molecule, which then reacts with more lipids creating new lipid peroxides. So a chain reaction is created leading to a lot of cancer cells being destroyed even with small amounts of ozone. So the cancer cells are destroyed faster than they can grow. They are also overlooking the fact that the ozone can use the same vascular system the cancer cells use to move to the cancer cells. So the angiogenesis is not really an issue.
As for the stage of cancer, the further advanced the cancer the more important it is to use something that can destroy cancer cells rapidly and boost the immune system, both of which ozone does.
This was his answer to your comments. Please make your remarks! Thank you so again!
"Works in theory Clarita but every case is different and I as well as our staff have been through too many episodes of cancer travelling faster than ozone to leave a person’s life to a gamble.
As I mentioned before angiogenesis is going to occur regardless whether or not ozone is used. Tumors start out without a real oxygen supply. And yes, cancer cells do require oxygen to survive. Once the tumor reaches around 2-3mm in size the tumor becomes too large for oxygen to diffuse in to the center of the tumor. So the center of the tumor becomes hypoxic and dies. in response, the other tumor cells create angiogenic growth factors (AGFs) to stimulate blood vessel formation to bring oxygen and nutrients to the tumor. So again it does not matter if someone is using ozone or not since the tumor is going to form blood vessels regardless.
In addition, cancer cells can travel through the lymphatic system are relocate within a cavity through other means. So angiogenesis is not the only means for metastases to occur.
We have for that reason stopped accepting people with cancer. I understand both your and the persons points but we are talking about lives here. I have heard of success with ozone in cancer and I have seen our own patients come back but I have also seen too much of the reverse occur to be able to safely say to you that you should go ahead, please understand this.
I have seen cancer reversed with ozone. And ozone does this with less side effects than most other therapies, and unlike so many other therapies cancer cells cannot build up a tolerance to it. And unlike mainstream chemotherapy and radiation therapies ozone is not carcinogenic. In addition, ozone addresses the causes of cancers unlike most therapies and can also target metastasized cells so they will not start growing when the primary tumor is removed and the angiogenesis inhibitors produced by the primary tumor are removed.
Also, as a side note, all things considered there are a few things he/she have not stated and that would be the type of cancer,
That is because the type of cancer is irrelevant. Ozone can go places where most drugs and herbal compounds, etc. cannot go such as across the blood-brain barrier and bone. And again it will also address various causes and contributing factors such as cancer viruses and carcinogens. Again many therapies do not address these other factors and thus is another reason that cancers tend to come back with other therapies.
where,
Again irrelevant since ozone can reach tissues throughout the body.
de-tox of the waste,
That is why we have things such as an immune system and lymphatic system to deal with the waste material, which is primarily uric acid. Actually this would be the same for any therapy in which cancer cells are killed. But uric acid is normally hydrolyzed in to urea and passed off as urine, which is why I recommend plenty of water. Furthermore, the goal of ozone is not to destroy a large tumor all in one shot. As I have mentioned in the past this could lead to sepsis, which is why multiple treatments are used to destroy the cancer in stages. This allows the cellular debris and uric acid to be eliminated before more is created.
People will generally develop some flu-like symptoms starting out, but this is not from detox, it is from the activation of interferon, which is yet one more mechanism that ozone addresses cancer.
complications of the rapid kill as well as what ozone does to the human body in general under this condition which all comes into play.
As far as the "rapid kill" this is addressed above. As far as what "ozone does to the human body" this is pretty vague. What are some of the effects of ozone on the human body? Well there is increased rate of healing of wounds, killing of pathogens, increasing of various immune stimulating cytokines, increasing levels of the body's antioxidant enzymes, prevention of rouleaux, breaking of carbon monoxide-hemoglobin bonds and loosening of carbon dioxide-hemoglobin bonds, oxidation of carcinogens and other toxins, increased ATP synthesis........ Hmmm..... so far all good things. The only way ozone is going to be dangerous is if it used improperly, which would mean too high of a concentration for the application or the use of hot corona or UV units with air as a starter gas.
As I had mentioned previously a study conducted in Germany followed over 6.5 million dose of ozone given. There were a little over 30 adverse reactions reported, and most of those minor such as pain or redness at the injection site. I don't know of any other cancer therapy with such a high safety rate.
You see, it is ok to quantify the logical action which is right but there are a host of issues that have to be considered and unless one has had many, many years of experience doing this type of therapy those issues they would never consider.
I have been researching and working with ozone for about 20 years. I have been doing cancer research for 30 years. So he needs to come up with some serious evidence to the contrary if he wants to convince me otherwise on the safety and effectiveness.
We maintain that the cost of pulling a stage four or more individual out of their cancer is close to $200, 000USD due to these complications,
That is absolutely ridiculous!!!
this we have done, quite a few times so I speak from experience.
And I can speak from experience that it can be done for a fraction of that cost. For example, I knew a guy years ago with advanced bone, lung and esophageal cancer who got rid of his cancers with a Rife unit and herbs. Total cost was less than $1,000. Then there was my dad's neighbor who was given less than a week to live with terminal liver cancer. My dad loaned him an experimental Rife unit, which cost less than $100 to build. The guy died two years later from an aneurysm, but a scan a month before showed no traces of cancer. I have also seen cancers destroyed by ozone and peroxide therapy, which is very similar. Ozone units as we have seen can be bought for less than $1,000, while a pint of 35% food grade peroxide is about $10. Peroxide is more difficult to utilize though and is more limited as to where it will work.
But as pointed out earlier ozone does not have these limitations. It does not matter if it is a blood cancer, lymphatic cancer, brain cancer, skin cancer, liver cancer, pancreatic cancer, lung cancer, etc. ozone can reach it and destroy the cells as well as any pathogens that may trigger them. He needs to look in to the chemistry and properties of ozone as well as the mechanisms of how it works. In addition, he needs to consider a major flaw in malignant tumors, which is the lack of antioxidant enzymes that deal with peroxides in malignant tumor cells since this is the primary method by which ozone selectively kills cancer cells.
If you look at modern medicine and its costs, this is a bargain,
Not in my opinion. And in the case of modern medicine then the factors he mentioned earlier such as the type of cancer, where, etc. do apply.
it is not however covered by insurance and very few can afford it, but that is the reality. This is done with 24 hour care, strict diet and grossly overpriced herbs that are only available from one source
There are so many herbs that have very strong anti-cancer properties such as chaparral, pau d' arco, turmeric, sweet wormwood, chagas, birch bark, etc. None of these are outrageously expensive. So why are they gouging people by using "grossly overpriced herbs" when there are cheap and highly effective herbs readily available?
as well as ozone and a regime of vitamins,
You mean like synthetic vitamin C, which is extremely unstable and pro-oxidant in higher levels? I started working on a book reviewing alternative cancer therapies and already did a chapter on the problems and dangers of IV ascorbic acid often promoted as a cancer therapy.
Ideally a "strict diet" should provide all the vitamins the person needs. Megadosing of vitamins creates its own set of issues.
aminos
Are they aware that amino acids compete for absorption? Thus amino acid therapy often does not work because competing amino acids are combined. In addition, are they aware that the breakdown of amino acids results in more uric acid, which is the primary "waste" created by the destruction of cancer cells they are worried about?
Actually uric acid is not really a "waste product" entirely. Uric acid is one of the body's primary antioxidants. The only reason it would cause problems is if it builds up to levels where it cannot be completely hydrolyzed, which could lead to problems such as gout, kidney stones or kidney damage. But again there are cheap and easy ways to prevent this such as maintaining hydration. Nettle leaf, juniper berry or malic acid can also be used to reduce uric acid levels.
and flushes, to name a few.
I would be curious to find out what they mean by flushes as well. Do they mean like liver flushes that have been proven bogus? Or the use of strong stimulant laxatives that can lead to decreased nutrient absorption and electrolyte imbalances?
All this to counteract what occurs in the body, all in all quite a lot of work."
To counteract what that is going on in the body? If done properly the body can deal with the destruction of the cancer cells. And if referring to ozone what is occurring are all beneficial things again if being done right. So what is there to counteract?
In my opinion the biggest mistake a lot of these cancer clinics make is loading people up on excess vitamins, using "flushes" and strict diets that simply put more stress on the body.
And they remind me a lot of doctors who like to make something very simple sound more complicated so they can charge more money for something. For example, a doctor will say something like you have cholecystitis and that you need to have your gallbladder removed rather than saying your gallbladder is inflamed most likely from sludge or gallstones and using bitters, lecithin and more fiber in your diet should clear it up. If they would stick to simple and effective then most everyone would be able to afford treatment even if they do not have insurance.
If the machine is in fact a hot corona, wouldn't my mom have experiencing the effects of acid formation, etc. ?
This would only occur if not using pure oxygen as a starter gas. The acids are formed from nitrogen and sulfur in the air.
She says that once she got up to the 20 minute threshold, she has NOT felt any discomfort, at all, doing the ozone. This did not change once we turned up the ozone concentration until we smelled a strong ozone odor. Thus she is doing it at the right dose without any ill effects whatsoever for a couple of months now.
Once the colon becomes accustomed to the ozone, usually after around 3 treatments, the bloating that causes the discomfort stops if done properly.
For insufflation I have always used an oxygen feed, at that time they said that was the only way to go, I thought even for a cold corona.
Technically yes since this is the only way to really know what the ozone concentration is. But not everyone has access to 100% pure oxygen. And if someone has a serious condition, such as advanced cancer, the benefits of using a cold corona ozone generator with an oxygen concentrator still outweighs any potential problems.