selenium warning (again) 
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this was posted on the adrenal fatigue forum. very useful, and disconcerting. get those Amalgams out!!!
http://knol.google.com/k/dr-max-daunderer/selenium-irreversibly-harms-amalgam...
Selenium irreversibly harms Amalgam patients
Daunderer, Dr. Max. Selenium irreversibly harms Amalgam patients
To administer selenium to patients already suffering from Amalgam poisoning is as devastating as pouring out a caustic solution over an acid hand burn in the hope that the neutralization would be the cure.
Selenium continuously transforms amalgam metals into selenides which do not leave the body, but cross the blood-brain barrier, and irreversibly remain trapped in the brain – “the body´s natural detox”.
Mercury entering the brain and disturbing the function of thinking is the worst case scenario. The clinical picture is called “schizophrenia” and is considered incurable. Most often it ends up in suicide, since pills really only dampen temporarily, yet, do not possess the ability to alter the cause. Specific antidotes as DMPS/DMSA operate too slowly for this kind of brain detoxification, whereas the mental decline continues much faster, and remains irreversible. A skilled individual is able to identify this mental decline on the inner and outer brain shrinkage. Nowadays, this final stage is called “Alzheimer´s”, and, without exception, finalizes at the care center for the mentally deranged. Gray spots in the MR due to mercury selenide have been codified as “microangiopathy”, so that it will remain forever impossible to take the perpetrators into custody.
Actually, a microangiopathy is a calcification of cerebral vessels, yet, it is regularly found in infants of mothers with a mouth full of dental amalgam. ADHD is the nowadays-diagnosis for these poor beings whose lives have been ruined right from the beginning. If selenium was administered to mothers prior to pregnancy, ADHD of the children turned out to be significantly more distinct. All physicians have been aware of the relationship between selenium and brain poisoning for 20 years – this kind of concealment is abstruse.
In a desperate relief effort we have been attempting to remove the mercury plus the selenium stored under all teeth by removal of all teeth with the help of tetracyclin ointment (chelating agent). It takes more than 10 years though, to identify the results in the MR. This desperate therapeutic step should be a warning to all, to finally stop the re-poisoning of amalgam patients.
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- Re: selenium warning (again) bones54
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,795,288I was just about ready to start on magnescent Iodine for the first time but guess I should delay? I have quite a few mercury amaglams, am working on getting them removed but cant afford to do it all at once.
From all the reading I have been doing you should take selenium with the iodine. Do you sugguest then that it is better to not take the Iodine if one is in my situation? What if you just used the iodine?? - Elimination of Symptoms by Removal o... #68716
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This is a reply to # 1,795,288I will use the moment to post this. It's related.
The table on page 3 shows everything.
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1993/pdf/1993-v08n03-p145.pdf
- Re: selenium warning (again) Rotty4Me
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,795,288So what about all those people supplementing with selenium as a companion to iodine? I don't think every single person taking Iodine & supplementing selenium has had their fillings removed or has the means to do so. Are we in fact poisening ourselves permanently by supplementing? Should there be a warning/advisory placed on supplementing with selenium if you have amalgams? Dangerous territory...I was never cautioned and have not read it anywhere not to supplement selenium if you have silver fillings....wowee very scary information. I am going to immediately stop the use of selenium....though according to the above info, the damage is already irreversibly done even if I were to remove my Amalgams tomorrow.....
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This is a reply to # 1,795,297Use only Selenomethionine and add ALA, but remove Hg fillings first...
Se has 24 different stages only the first few bind with Hg but others not bound to methionine will oxidize and cause issues. In nature only Selenomethionine exists since plants also find lower forms of Se toxic.
However feed lots have a more 'Monsatan' strategy...
Possible expressions of oxidized Se mostly by Hg but also other oxidizers like Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and radiation are here:
http://homeoint.org/books/boericmm/s/sel.htm
Good homeos in low Xs work excellent for this...- Re: selenium warning (again) Rotty4Me
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This is a reply to # 1,795,309I do only use Selenomethionine...but not ALA. I don't know what that is. I am just hoping damage has not already been done as mental issues like brain fog/forgetfulness/attention deficite/ Depression abound in me.- Re: selenium warning (again) Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,795,315Amalgam Illness
Diagnosis and Treatment
http://noamalgam.com/
Informative posts by Andy Cutler
http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html
Cutler protocol
http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol
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This is a reply to # 1,795,315
ALA = alpha lipoic acid
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/alpha-lipoic-000285.htm
Alpha-lipoic acid
Overview:
Alpha-lipoic acid is an antioxidant that is made by the body and is found in every cell, where it helps turn glucose into energy. Antioxidants are substances that attack "free radicals," waste products created when the body turns food into energy. Free radicals cause harmful chemical reactions that can damage cells in the body, making it harder for the body to fight off infections. They also damage organs and tissues.
Unlike other antioxidants, which work only in water (such as vitamin C) or fatty tissues (such as vitamin E), alpha-lipoic acid is both fat- and water-soluble. That means it can work throughout the body. In addition, antioxidants are depleted as they attack free radicals, but evidence suggests alpha-lipoic acid may help regenerate these other antioxidants and make them active again.
In the cells of the body, alpha-lipoic acid is converted into dihydrolipoic acid. Alpha-lipoic acid is not the same as alpha linolenic acid, which is an omega-3 fatty acid that may help heart health (See also:
Alpha linolenic acid. Confusion can arise because both are sometimes abbreviated ALA. Diabetes
Alpha-lipoic acid can lower blood sugar levels, and its ability to kill free radicals may help reduce pain, burning, itching, tingling, and numbness in people who have nerve damage caused by diabetes (called peripheral neuropathy). Alpha-lipoic acid has been used for years for this purpose in Europe, and at least one study found that intravenous (IV) doses of alpha-lipoic acid helped reduce symptoms. However, the evidence indicating that taking alpha-lipoic acid orally will help is weaker. Most studies have been small and poorly designed. One 2006 study did show benefit from taking alpha-lipoic acid for diabetic neuropathy compared to placebo.
Taking alpha-lipoic acid does appear to help another diabetes-related condition called autonomic neuropathy, which affects the nerves supplying the heart. One study found that 73 people with autonomic neuropathy improved when taking 800 mg of alpha-lipoic acid orally compared to placebo.
Liver Disease
Alpha-lipoic acid has been proposed as a treatment for alcohol-related liver disease, but so far there is no evidence that it works. Alpha-lipoic acid has been administered by IV along with silymarin to treat people who have eaten the poisonous mushroom Amanita, which causes liver damage.
Brain Function and Stroke
Because alpha-lipoic acid can pass easily into the brain, it has protective effects on brain and nerve tissue. Scientists are investigating it as a potential treatment for stroke and other brain disorders involving free radical damage. Animals treated with alpha-lipoic acid, for example, suffered less brain damage and had a four times greater survival rate after a stroke than animals who did not receive this supplement. More research is needed to understand whether this benefit applies to people as well.
Other
Some preliminary studies suggest alpha-lipoic acid may be helpful in treating glaucoma, but there is not enough evidence to say for sure whether it is beneficial. In test tubes, alpha-lipoic acid appears to inhibit growth of the HIV virus, but it isn't known whether the supplement would have the same effect in people.
Dietary Sources:
A healthy body makes enough alpha-lipoic acid. It is also found in red meat, organ meats (such as liver), and yeast (particularly Brewer's yeast).
Available Forms:
Alpha-lipoic acid supplements are available as capsules. It may also be given by injection under the supervision of a health care provider.
How to Take It:
Pediatric
Because alpha-lipoic acid has not been studied for pediatric use, do not give it to children.
Adult
Alpha-lipoic acid can be purchased in doses of 30 - 100 mg tablets. There are no established recommended doses.
- General antioxidant support: 20 - 50 mg per day
- Diabetes and diabetic neuropathy: 800 mg per day in divided doses
Precautions:
Because of the potential for side effects and interactions with medications, you should take dietary supplements only under the supervision of a health care provider.
No evidence suggests whether or not alpha-lipoic acid is safe for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding, so such women should not take alpha-lipoic acid.
Side effects are generally rare and may include skin rash.
Alpha-lipoic acid can lower blood sugar levels, so people with diabetes or hypoglycemia should take alpha-lipoic acid only under the supervision of their doctor. (See "Interactions" section.)
Results of animal studies suggest that people who are deficient in thiamine (vitamin B1), a condition often associated with alcoholism, should not take alpha-lipoic acid.
Possible Interactions:
If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use alpha-lipoic acid without first talking to your health care provider.
Insulin and drugs that lower blood sugar -- Apha-lipoic acid can combine with these drugs to further reduce blood sugar levels, resulting in hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Tell your doctor before taking alpha-lipoic acid and monitor your blood sugar levels closely; your doctor may need to adjust your medication doses.
Thyroid-regulating medications, Levothyroxine -- Apha-lipoic acid may lower levels of thyroid hormone. Blood hormone levels and thyroid function tests should be monitored closely in people taking thyroid hormones who are also taking alpha-lipoic acid.
Alternative Names:
Dihydrolipoic acid; Lipoic acid; Lipolate; Thiotic acid
- Reviewed last on: 3/14/2009
- Steven D. Ehrlich, NMD, private practice specializing in complementary and alternative medicine, Phoenix, AZ. Review provided by VeriMed Healthcare Network.
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Re: selenium warning (again) wombat
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This is a reply to # 1,795,288excellent advice to get the amalgams out. I had mine removed a couple of years after starting iodine(and selenium). I'm not schizo, yet:)
A quick review of this site tells me that it is probably funded by the tuna packers of america or somesuch, but even so there is info here that conflicts with your post. I think we need some discussion on this.
Discussion:
http://www.mercuryfacts.org/fselenium.cfm
Selenium
The best science indicates that trace amounts of mercury in the fish Americans eat simply aren't high enough to pose a health risk. But measuring only mercury further exaggerates this hypothetical risk. There's another scientific wrinkle that few environmental groups are talking about -- largely because it doesn't help to promote their scare campaigns. An accurate picture of the health consequences of eating fish must include other substances that affect the way mercury interacts with the human body.
Selenium is plentiful in fish, but the public hasn't heard much about its role in the mercury puzzle. As biochemists, pharmacologists, and neurologists study this nutrient, we're gaining a better understanding of its importance.
In scientific jargon, selenium has an unusually high "binding affinity" for mercury. In layman's terms, this means that when the two elements are found together, they tend to connect, forming a new substance. This makes it difficult for the human body to absorb the mercury separately. So when mercury "binds" to selenium, it's no longer free to "bind" to anything else -- like brain tissue.
The research world is still developing explanations for exactly how selenium cancels out mercury's potentially toxic effects, but most scientists accept one of two competing theories.
The conventional idea describes selenium as a sort of "mercury magnet." Under this theory, once selenium is digested it can locate and neutralize mercury molecules. In one study, Japanese researchers found that adding selenium to the diets of birds "gave complete protection" from large amounts of mercury. Research carried out by scientists in Scotland and the Philippines has concluded that the relationship between mercury and selenium is one of "toxicological antagonism." And in the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency describes selenium as an element that is "antagonistic to the toxic effects of mercury."
The more recent selenium hypothesis holds that mercury takes a more active role in the relationship. Under this theory, when mercury enters the body it seeks out selenium and takes it out of circulation, preventing the body from creating enzymes that depend on selenium to perform their functions. Enzymes are special proteins that control the various steps in chemical reactions that make life possible. Without enough selenium-based enzymes, the functions of the brain and other organs can be affected.
While this might sound scary, problems can only occur if we don't get enough selenium to counteract the trace amounts of mercury in the fish we eat. And fish are so rich in selenium that this is not likely to happen. The U.S. Department of Agriculture has measured selenium levels in more than 1,000 commonly consumed foods,and 16 of the 25 best sources of dietary selenium are ocean fish.University of North Dakota environmental scientist Dr. Nicholas Ralston is an expert on the relationship between selenium and mercury. Here's how he describes it:Think of dietary selenium as if it were your income and dietary mercury as if it were a bill that you need to pay. Just as we all need a certain amount of money to cover living expenses such as food and rent, we all need a certain amount of selenium ... Only one major study has shown negative effects from exposure to mercury from seafood, and that seafood was pilot whale meat. Pilot whale meat is unusual in that it contains more mercury than selenium. When you eat pilot whale meat, it's like getting a bill for $400 and a check for less than $100. If that happens too much, you go bankrupt. On the other hand, if you eat ocean fish, it's like getting a check in the mail for $500 and getting a bill for $25. The more that happens, the happier you are.
Dr. Ralston is right. Researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration found that most of the fish we eat contains significantly more selenium than mercury. Seafood that contains more mercury (Hg) than selenium (Se) includes pilot whale, tarpon, marlin, and some shark. Fish we most commonly consume, including all forms of tuna and salmon, are rich in selenium.
On the other end of the scale, pilot whale is by far the worst offender. This may help explain why researchers in the Faroe Islands insist that dietary mercury is harmful to island residents. (Unlike the vast majority of people, the Faroese eat lots of pilot whale meat.) By contrast, a similar study in the Seychelles Islands -- where people eat lots of selenium-rich fish but no whale meat -- found no negative health effects from the tiny amounts of mercury in fish.
Selected Sources:
L.Cuvin-Aralar and R. Furness. "Mercury and Selenium Interaction: A Review." Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety. 1990 Oct 10;21:348-364.
L. Raymond and N. Ralston. "Mercury: Selenium interactions and health implications." SMDJ Seychelles Medical and Dental Journal. 2004 Nov.; Special Issue, Vol 7, No 1.
P. Beyrouty and H. Chan. "Co-consumption of selenium and vitamin E altered the reproductive and developmental toxicity of methylmercury in rats." Neurotoxicology and Teratology. 2006 Jan;28:49-58.
K. Beijer and A. Jernelov. "Ecological Aspects of Mercury-Selenium Interaction in the Marine Environment." Environmental Health Perspectives. 1978 Aug;25:43-5.
G. Ohi et al. "The Protective Potency of Marine Animal Meat Against the Neurotoxicity of Methylmercury: Its Relationship with the Organ Distribution of Mercury and Selenium in the Rat." Food and Cosmetics Toxicology. 1980 Apr;18:139-145.
Y Sugiura et al. "Selenium Protection Against Mercury Toxicity: High Binding Affinity of Methylmercury by Selenium Containing Ligands in Comparison with Sulfur Containing Ligands." Bioinorganic Chemistry. 1978 Aug; 9(2):167-180.- Re: selenium warning (again) Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,795,317I have posted many times that this is wrong and Culter is correct in his view of Se as a chelator...
- Re: selenium warning (again) wombat
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This is a reply to # 1,795,325Well a lot of people disagree with Cutler's methodology. At any rate, I can't see the connection with selenium making mercury toxicity WORSE. Mercury alone crosses the blood brain barrier anyway, yes?
From T's link:
"In a desperate relief effort we have been attempting to remove the mercury plus the selenium stored under all teeth by removal of all teeth with the help of tetracyclin ointment (chelating agent). It takes more than 10 years though, to identify the results in the MR. This desperate therapeutic step should be a warning to all, to finally stop the re-poisoning of Amalgam patients."
Huh? Since when is selenium stored under teeth? Removal of all teeth?!?!
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from the Cutler stuff:
Re: selenium & zinc as chelators?
Selenium and zinc are not chelators and do not reduce body levels of
merucry. They do cause the body to change a bit so as to store some
of the mercury in passive form for a while.
Andy
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--- In Autism-Mercury@y..., elvira.kurti@v... wrote:
>
> > Selenium binds with mercury to form a passive and very poorly
> soluble
> > compound. It is also used in certain enzymes, like glutathione
> > peroxidase and the T4 to T3 conversion enzyme (thyroid hormones),
> so
> > mercury toxic people don't have enough for these enzymes if they
> don't
> > take extra.
> >
> > Andy
>
> When Selenium binds with Mercury what happens with the poorly
soluble
> compound? Does it get flushed out of the body or it gets deposited?
It remains trapped in the body.
> Does Mercury loose its toxicity in this form?
It is less toxic as long as it is trapped, but it does eventually
resolubilize and is then just as toxic as ever.
- Re: selenium warning (again) Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,795,334Two reasons or maybe three reasons depending on the Se.
One it eats up methylation cycles which are low or non existent, two the Se will loose the Hg bond and finally the Se is left in an oxidized state after the Hg bond is dropped.
As for T's article...well they seem to not know about ALA...enough said... nothing new for me, posts going back 3 years on this subject...
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- Re: selenium warning (again) trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,795,317thats what i wanted - discussion and to let people know this is serious business.
i go back to my original statement regarding mercury fillings - if all else fails, a bottle of cheap vodka and a pair of pliers. i am not even joking.- Re: selenium warning (again) seek2clean
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This is a reply to # 1,795,394Oh the impetus - I am looking for pliers for one Amalgam in particular - sans the vodka!!! To be stuck right now with (8) forty year-old amalgams, one broken, is a bit maddening in view of this controversy. Recently started SSKI and companions, feeling good about it - now have something else to worry about!?!?!
geesh...
seek2clean- Re: selenium warning (again) trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,795,580Okay....so add some ALA and I'm good to go? Cuz the teeth are staying (for now, until some miracle $$ manifests).
seek2clean- Re: selenium warning (again) elaine86
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This is a reply to # 1,795,581Never use any chelaters if you still have Amalgam fillings. It pulls more mercury out of your teeth and circulates it through your body. No ALA, DMSA, cilantro, chlorella.
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This is a reply to # 1,795,394Amen to that! I too am in the midst of getting rid 4 quadrants of this poison garbage and eliminating this poison is NO JOKE.
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