Thanks Oxygent,
What would you recommend then?. I am buying a few books by EdMcCabe to see if I can understand more about ozone therapy.
Fran.
ps The Ozone Generator you speak of is the wrong type.
The effectiveness of colloidal silver is due to total surface area and is a function of both particle size and PPM. 3000 PPM colloidal silver is far, far more than is necessary - especially if you use superior quality colloidal silver with particles that range to below a nanometer in size. Two of the best true colloidal silver products have particles that are barely larger than two silver atoms, not 59 plus. Their effective surface area per PPM is vastly superior to large particle large PPM products. Most people who are truly well informed about colloidal silver will tell you that anything much over 20 PPM is overkill.
Interesting information about iridium and ruthenium though. I will have to check that out. Colloidal platinum has been effective against cancer and it is interesting to note that iridium was first discovered in 1803 in the residue left over when crude platinum was processed for better purity.
thanks you all for your responses.
When you do feel ready to start making your own, there are some very knowledgeable folks here who can help.
My personal favorite is CureZone sponsor Utopia Silver's Advanced Colloidal Silver. Of course I am a bit prejudiced since the company owner is a lifelong friend of mine. However, I have seen the production lab and know how different and sophisticated the method they use is. The other top quality commercial product is Mesosilver. Though I have not seen their production facility in person, I am acquainted with the owner and know that he was an MIT grad who did work for NASA and spent several hundred thousand dollars on research and his state of the art equipment. I believe that Mesosilver has the highest small particle content, the lowest average particle size and the highest colloidal content (about 95%). However, nothing else comes close to Advanced Colloidal Silver, and I am not sure whether their somewhat higher ionic content (about 15%) may be an overall advantage, given the way ionic and colloidal particles work individually and in concert with one another.
Thanks so much for your reply Dquixote.
Also, I sent you a private message, but I guess you probably receive many of them to reply to everyone. I was just curious if you knew of a good herbal combination that could help with the severe migraines my grandma is having due to the tumor pressing. It seems unbearable and she is taking a bunch of pain killer that are probably more harmful. I know there must be good combinations to deal with inflammation and pain that are safe, but it seems as if not all of them will reach the brain because of the barrier. Honestly, I am so swamped by all the information i am reading that nothing makes sense anymore. I'd just be great to find something that could help her deal with the headaches that is actually healing and and not addictive and counterproductive like drugs.
I appreciate any light,
Thanks,
Fran.
I have never seen anyone promote 2 atom particle size products. Then you must not have seen any information from the two largest producers of true colloidal silver. They both have particle sizes of slightly larger than 2 silver atoms and both have been laboratory measured to support it. I cannot find any such lab reports for the so-called single atom products. Instead they use quotes such as: There has been much written about monatomic particles, monatomic particles are hard to obtain and hard to detect, which is why most Chemical Colloidal Suppliers say that Monatomic gold or silver are a Myth. That may sound impressive, but it really distills down to mere sales hype which has nothing to do with the products being promoted. None of the research the site contains has anything to do with their own products. There are no tests, no lab reports, nothing but their claims. And that guarantee. But so-called guarantees are a dime a dozen when it comes to promoting products which cannot stand on their own merits. Even totally worthless products still make tons of money because only a small percentage of people bother to ask for their money back or else the requirements for getting their money back are too restrictive. For a person to dispute the claims of single atom silver, they would have to either have the means or the considerable funds necessary to test the product. As the site itself says "monatomic particles are hard to detect". Nanoparticle do not do a very good job, and have in reality given the colloidal silver industry a bad reputation, which is the reason why the news media is totally against it. The reason that the news media is largely against colloidal silver is because mainstream medicine is against colloidal silver due to the threat it represents to its patented antibiotics and other drugs which silver usually outperforms and does so much more safely and much less expensively. How then do you explain all of the testimonials here and elsewhere - there are literally thousands - and the experiences of members here like myself who have seen 20 PPM nano particle silver work in very short order. In many instances such silver solutions work almost immediately. What about the nanoparticles and sub-nano sized particles which many, many silver solutions have? Including the aforementioned ones which are slightly larger than 2 single silver atoms and smaller than a single nanometer in size? I seriously doubt that - otherwise you would not be parroting the website and claiming that "most" silver is made with a catalyst of some kind and you would also know about making silver which had particles of less than a nanometer. I would be willing to bet you money and give odds that you don't know how the aforementioned true colloidal silver manufacturers make their product. Hype, hype and more hype. I can see why the moderators have removed the links to the sales sites from your posts. Where is the independent proof of single atom particles? "Hundreds of thousands of producers of LOW PPM Products"? What a ridiculous claim! How can you make such an outlandish claim and expect anyone to believe anything else you have posted? There are several people who post in and read this forum who have extensive knowledge and experience with colloidal and ionic silver. We know hype when we see it and we know silver. We have seen no end of claims, guarantees and rewards for overly hyped products. At the end of the day, the fact is that anything over 20 PPM is overkill and that as you go above 20 PPM you have an increasing tendency of the silver particles to clump together (agglomerate) into larger particles and ultimately have much of the clumped silver particles precipitate out to the bottom of the container. In addition, though the rare instances of the blue skin condition known as Argyria are virtually all linked to improperly made large particle silver or silver nitrate - Argyria is possible if a person consumes too much high PPM silver and their could be other dangers with hugely excessive consumption of silver. Thus, only 1/200th of a 4000 PPM solution can be safely consumed as a 20 PPM product. See: http://www.silversafety.org/calculation.html http://www.silversafety.org/autocalculator.php The bottom line is that I am not buying what you are telling and selling and I don't recommend anyone else do so either.
Let's take a look at what you are saying and evidently selling - and I note that is appears to come from a website sales site with lots of hype, including the guarantee and virtually zero proof of their claims or science which applies to their products.
Yet science in the pursuit of hidden matter built the Hadron Collider, to find the God Particle, aka Higgs Boson in their findings they have the discovered the existence of subatomic particles called Kaons and Pions, they were a Myth as many so blindly put it, nonexistent up until January 2010 a discovery that turned the bashers heads and raised the bushy eyebrows.
If monatomic particles do not exist, then why build the $9 billion dollar Hadron Collider to find undetectable subatomic particles? Why look for the God Particle? The fact is that they do exist as noted by many researchers such as Einstein, David Hudson and researchers like Barry Carter, who have described the properties of monatomic atoms.
Will I am convinced that nanparticle can work, but the length of time to get some kind of results could be 6- 9 months.
Now when you take into consideration that a nanoparticles range fro 59 to 200 atoms per particle, they are just to large to actually penetrate into the heart of a virus, much less a parasite.
As I have stated before I know how to make every type of colloidal silver under the moon, and most producers use some kind of catalyst to create the spark to break down the silver into nanometer size but are limited to the amount of PPM they can produce.
When you take an ATOM size particle that replaces a 200 atom particle, you can have more people in a smaller size.
Therefore it is not over kill, its EFFECTIVE OVER KILL of Viruses and bacteria.
People with Morgellons have found almost instant relieve when consuming a bottle of colloidal silver atoms, rated at 3000 PPM.
How much more if they consumed 4000 PPM which is now available?
Back to over kill:
Its natural for people to say its over kill because most have something invested in Colloidal Silver 20 PPM (and under) and have a lot to lose, most would say that because there are hundreds of thousands of producers of LOW PPM Products, but only one that can produce a PPM of UP to 15000 PPM, guaranteed not to use chemicals, guaranteed to have atomic size particles, and guaranteed to have the highest PPM.
The producers of the colloidal silver atoms, back their products with a 60 day money back guarantee.
For someone who is suppposed to know everything under the moon about making colloidal silver, you surely do get a lot wrong.
What about overnight or mere days is way too long? That is how long it generally takes the silver I am talking about.
The blue man made large particle home made silver with tap water and then added salt to it. Not only did he consume huge quantities over a long period - not because it took too long so much as because he thought it was a good thing to do - he also continually rubbed it into his skin. Large particle silver in skin cells exposed to sunllight produces blue skin.
See my article:
Colloidal Silver Has Mainstream Medicine "Singing the Blues"
My 60 year old technology? The technology I am talking about is only a few years old and is cutting edge. If you saw it in operation, as I have, you would think it was something out of Star Wars. It isn't your 60 year old electrolysis by any means - and no chemicals whatsoever are used in the manufacturing processes. We don't know anything about your so-called technology nor do we have any proof whatsoever that it produces single atom particles.
I don't dispute the existence of single atom particles - what I dispute in lieu of any proof is that the product you are touting contains such particles. And a chemical test to prove the existence of single atoms? Give me a break!
Do you understand what PPM is? It isn't 20 nanoparticles, it is the AMOUNT of silver. One ppm is equivalent to 1 milligram of something per liter of water, regardless of actual particle size. Thus you could drop a silver coin into a liter of water and have a huge PPM. But I wouldn't recommend swallowing a silver quarter for health purposes.
Wikipedia? Wikipedia is open source, meaning that anyone - even you or I - can add and edit entries there, though they do have several mainstream moderators who prowl the site constantly to keep non-mainstream information edited out. I hardly consider them even a decent source when it comes to non-mainstream items such as colloidal silver.
BTW, how does hundreds of back yard producers turn somehow into hundreds of thousands? An exagerration by several magnitude is how.
Which is all fine and good insofar as the existence of subatomic and monatomic particles go, but once again, in lieu of any actual proof, how does that have anything to do with the product you are touting? Show me proof of where an independent scientific lab has tested the product and vouched that it contains only single atoms of silver and water. Without such proof, that is merely a claiim - and there are no end of claims when it comes to the many silver products which all claim to be somehow unique and superior.
Perfectimus, what I am saying is that your test and other posted information in no way prove that your product contains silver atoms. No one is disputing the existence of silver atoms, just whether or not your product is made up of particles of silver atoms. You keep posting proof of the existence of single atgom particles, but no proof that your product contains them. The test you described does not prove anything other than that there was metal in the original solution.
Nutri-silver makes an artificial colloid in which they use protein to suspend mostly ionic and relatively large particle silver in protein. I cannot vouch for what Nutri-silver puts into their product (or allows in) and neither can I vouch for the other products which were tested and found to have other items besides silver. The two products I am talking about do not use protein, do have ultra-small particles ranging to well below a nanometer in size, and have nothing in them but pure water and silver. I have seen one of the processes and nothing goes into it except silver and pure spring water that has gone through three large and expensive filters. The replacement elements in each filter cost more than the average home silver generator. Niether of the two companies I am referring to are riding Nutra-silver's coattails and I would point out that in addition to both companies products having been laboratory tested and measured, there are a great many studies out there that have nothing to do with Nutra-silver. Such as the study on HIV and silver which demonstrated that silver prevented HIV from replicating by attaching itself to receptors on the HIV virus, or the Hungarian studies which found specific silver receptors on human nerve tissue.
I am not saying that your product won't work. I am saying that I have not seen any proof that it is made up of silver atoms. And I am saying that 4000 PPM is far more than is needed - as has been the experience with a great many people who know about colloidal and ionic silver and who contribute to this forum. The 20 PPM product I use has worked fine for everything I use it for and usually has worked within hours to just a couple of days or so.