Intermittent Fasting 
Wheatgrass Yogi
13 y
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Has anyone here had success with Intermittent Fasting?
It may be the way to start for those of us who are
having trouble staying on a strict Water Fast of long
duration.
The different combinations are endless, but I propose 4
different 'days'.
Day 1....Colon Cleanse
Day 2....Water Fast
Day 3....Healthy Eating
Day 4....Dry Fast
The next 'block' could include two continuous days of
Water Fasting....the next one three....and so on.
Does anyone have a comment?.....WY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting drbutterscotch
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,358Before my first extended Water Fast of 20 days in December, I had practiced intermittent fasting on a daily basis. The schedule for me was to eat within the window of 12:00pm and 5pm, therefore leaving 19 hours without eating. I practiced this during the week for about 3 months. I also practiced shorter fasts of 24-48 hours every few weeks as well. I believe this primed my system and gave me the confidence and ability to perform a longer fast with less of the common side effects. Personally, I've also found it easier to transition to a Water Fast after about a week of an extremely low carb diet, so that you enter ketosis before even starting the fast.
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting chirontherainbowbridge
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,358i think I'm almost always intermittent fasting, for several months now, if by that we mean eating only within the five hour window. thus 19/5. I like it.
The "emanation body" book I've mentioned a few times has a plan that I think is better than your proposition. I continue to marvel at the ways you imagine various methods to fast, that all seem to include some twist on suffering. I mean, the dry fasting. Why even think of it? Amnd why include the Colon Cleanse in it at all?
I thought you wre quite a healthy person, who does a lot ofjuice and wheatgrass.
Is it the idea that DF is "more powerful"?
Well, Fonty was the forum master of dry fasting. But I beleive (might be wrong)he actually did some exteneded regular Water Fasting first.
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,485Water fasting for couple of days at time gets annoying. You are hungriest for first few days and possilby weaker as well.
Better think to rotate juice fasting with water or to do better intermittent like you do like FAST-5, EAT STOP eat, eating alternate days, Eating once a day, etc.
Water you might as well stay on after the first few days go by and hunger goes to zero then its easy to go 7,14,21 etc.
- Re: Intermittent Fasting Wheatgrass Yogi
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,485Chiron....Why even think about 'dry fasting'?
I'm concerned that Water Fasting is not the natural way to fast, but Dry Fasting is. The water we take in is foreign to our bodies, and must be processed with the expense of energy. The water that our systems handle best comes from Fruits and Vegetables. Besides, all Biblical Fasts were 'dry'. Nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible to Water Fast. It does mention to fast without Food or Drink.
I would mention the scripture, but the Forum Monitor would delete my post......WY- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,507Wow not do a 40 day dry fast. We will send flowers to your funeral?? You actually believe Jesus dry fasted for 40 days in the desert or whatever? PLEASE give your head a shake.
Dry fasting might be ok for a few days but its still dangerous and of course for very long periods of time. But hey its your fast and your life and body.
Water is unnatural? Do you know how many 'natural things " are deadly? "Natural" mushrooms, natural radioative elements,many many natural poisonous plants ,chemicals,gases,etc.etc. natural is not necessarily better.
The three things no one can live without are air,water and food. Why not try going without air for awhile.
Seriously man dry fasting? Day or two and you will be into dehydration symptoms many of which are quite unpleasant.But respect your right to believe in what you want.- Re: Intermittent Fasting trimnut2
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,570ALB your quote;
"Seriously man dry fasting? Day or two and you will be into dehydration symptoms many of which are quite unpleasant.But respect your right to believe in what you want.""
Seven day dry fasts here: No symptoms of dehyrdation.
Noting unpleasant: Rather the opposite.
No belief required. Yes - Seriously. T2.
- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,575Depends on weather and what you do in it. Go out on hot day and do bunch of work dry fasting.Its wild card how long you can live without any water. Much more dangerous then water fasting.
Day or two likely ok but really no symptoms in 7 days ???
No weakness, lightheadedness, dark urine ,or other dehydration symptoms? Or did you think those symptoms were detox?
Should I link the dehydration symptoms again?
You are taking in no salt and no carbs nothing on dry fasting.So can't possibly see how you won't be dehyrdated pretty quickly.
But hey whatever as said you guys can believe what you want. Breatharians think they can live on air! LOL- alb Mighty.Sun.Tzu
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,629
"Depends on weather and what you do in it. Go out on hot day and do bunch of work dry fasting."
Certainly that makes a difference ALB, nobody ever said it didn't... and you, I and everybody else who has read your comments know(s) that your negative input on the subject of dry fasting and even on "drinking only to thirst" was not limited to what the weather was like and how much the individual was working.
Other key factors in addition to temperature and level of activity are humidity and whether bathing and otherwise coming into contact with water or going absolutely dry.
"No weakness, lightheadedness, dark urine ,or other dehydration symptoms? Or did you think those symptoms were detox?"
Weakness and lightheadedness are indeed symptoms of detox. I experienced both many times back when i drank a gallon or more of water per day while fasting (not knowing any better at the time) and peeing 4-5 times in the middle of the night having to sit down to do it lest i pass out.
A good way to distinguish dehydration from detox is drying skin which occurs as a first stage symptom.
You can't take your first ever fast and believe that everybody in a fast will react exactly as you have in this one... Fast multiple times and listen to 100 people who have done the same then get back to us on what symptoms are typical to fasting, whether with excessive water, drinking only to thirst or with dry fasting. You could always also read what the masters have to say on the subject, the masters who have fasted tens of thousands of people, gaining an immeasurable treasure of knowledge on the subject along the way.... or you can continue to believe that you are the one people should come to for advice based on the beliefs you have formulated in your very first ever "fast" and without the benefit of openly learning from the true experts (yes like Dr. Shelton and Dr. Fuhrman whom you believe yourself to be more knowledgable than).
Alb, you don't have a shred of scientific evidence that detox does not exist and yet you repeatedly dismiss it as if you were certain it didn't.
"Should I link the dehydration symptoms again?"
You might as well, why stop being redundant now? And can you run your entire story past us once again as well... you now, the one about how both you and your wife felt light headed because you allowed your water intake to dip below your normal 8-10 glasses(and your wife passed out)and once you both drank more water everything got better?
Also if you don't mind, we all want to hear just one more time about how it's ok to drink artificially sweetened soda, take green tea capsules, vitamins and over the counter medications... and to otherwise interrupt the fast with tiny sips of juice... and how people can pm you to learn all about these little pearls of wisdom.
... yes, all because the people in this forum are too "purist" and "mystical" and believe that a water-only fast is absolutely perfect exactly as it is and that perfection can not be improved upon by adding anything to it.
"You are taking in no salt and no carbs nothing on dry fasting.So can't possibly see how you won't be dehyrdated pretty quickly."
You heard it from the horse's mouth. 7 days dry and he was comfortable. Fonty had the same experience. Do you think people actually experiencing dehydration are going to be comfortable? Truly you seem to have become fixated on the idea of how easy it is for people to become dehydrated while fasting and in the face of all the evidence to the contrary your ideas remain absolutely unshakable.
Before speaking out as if you were an expert on the subject, how much have you actually studied up on dry fasting? How much have you experienced it to know for yourself what it's like? What? None?
"But hey whatever as said you guys can believe what you want. Breatharians think they can live on air! LOL"
It is way beyond mere belief at this point. Trimnut is living proof that he can dry fast comfortably for 7 days. Here again are his words:
"Seven day dry fasts here: No symptoms of dehyrdation.
Noting unpleasant: Rather the opposite."He knows it with absolute certainty because he has done it.
- Re: alb montecristo5216
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,719Dio, Dio! I do not know what hurts more, if a subjective post like mine, or a post like this, Mighty, objectively itemizing facts with a mathematical beauty. I mean, you left nothing out.
LOL LOL LOL
- Re: alb ALB
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,719Detox or dehydration? Hmm pretty much every single symptom is there.
And I drink 8 to 10 glasses of water daily.Not having any problems going to the bathroom standing up.
"Symptoms may include headaches similar to what is experienced during a hangover, muscle cramps (especially leg cramps), a sudden episode of visual snow, decreased blood pressure (hypotension), and dizziness or fainting when standing up due to orthostatic hypotension. Untreated dehydration generally results in delirium, unconsciousness, swelling of the tongue and, in extreme cases, death.
Dehydration symptoms generally become noticeable after 2% of one's normal water volume has been lost. Initially, one experiences thirst and discomfort, possibly along with loss of appetite and dry skin. This can be followed by constipation. Athletes may suffer a loss of performance of up to 30%[5] and experience flushing, low endurance, rapid heart rates, elevated body temperatures, and rapid onset of fatigue.
Symptoms of mild dehydration include thirst, decreased urine volume, abnormally dark urine, unexplained tiredness, irritability, lack of tears when crying, headache, dry mouth, dizziness when standing due to orthostatic hypotension, and in some cases can cause insomnia. Other possible symptoms include cloudy urine and stinging during urination. Blood tests may show hyperalbuminemia. Mild dehydration also has been shown to negatively impact people’s moods. Experiments by the USDA's Agricultural Research Service has shown that dehydration is associated with confusion, fatigue, and negative moods.[6] Mild dehydration, which includes water losses between 1% and 2%, observed in the experiment are comparable to mild dehydration experienced by people in their everyday lives.
In moderate to severe dehydration, there may be no urine output at all. Other symptoms in these states include lethargy or extreme sleepiness, seizures, sunken fontanel (soft spot) in infants, fainting, and sunken eyes.
The symptoms become increasingly severe with greater water loss. One's heart and respiration rates begin to increase to compensate for decreased plasma volume and blood pressure, while body temperature may rise because of decreased sweating. At around 5% to 6% water loss, one may become groggy or sleepy, experience headaches or nausea, and may feel tingling in one's limbs (paresthesia). With 10% to 15% fluid loss, muscles may become spastic, skin may shrivel and wrinkle (decreased skin turgor), vision may dim, urination will be greatly reduced and may become painful, and delirium may begin. Losses greater than 15% are usually fatal.
In people over age 50, the body’s thirst sensation diminishes and continues diminishing with age. Many senior citizens suffer symptoms of dehydration. Dehydration along with hyperthermia results in old people dying during extreme hot weather."
- Re: alb Mighty.Sun.Tzu
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,754
"Detox or dehydration? Hmm pretty much every single symptom is there.
And I drink 8 to 10 glasses of water daily.Not having any problems going to the bathroom standing up."Again you are looking at how your own fast is going and assuming that every fasting individual has the identical experience. It seems not to have penetrated into your mind, but I just got done saying that i had fasted many times in the past with a gallon or more of water per day (in my inexperience at the time) and i was encountering weakness and lightheadedness in each of them.
In your dehydration centered philosophy of fasting i must have been dehydrated if i was experiencing these symptoms because "detox doesn't exist".
However, how can you reconcile within your mindset my drinking to excess... a gallon or more per day and peeing clear 4-5 times in the middle of the night... and experiencing what i was experiencing... weakness and lightheadedness, symptoms which you say are of dehydration and not of detox?
Is it not possible within your mindset that weakness and lightheadedness as symptoms are not limited to dehydration as the cause? Taking lightheadedness as one example, the following is what a home remedies site provides as a partial list of causes:
"Lightheadedness is also more commonly known as dizziness. ... For instance, older people more commonly experience lightheadedness due to the natural and normal weakening of all faculties. Otherwise too, lightheadedness could be caused by weakness, fatigue, anemia, low blood sugar, sudden drop in blood pressure, dehydration, or some select inner ear problems. If you have had an ear infection, it may cause labyrinthitis, which tends to occur after the infection has passed. Likewise, you could also experience lightheadedness if you have suffered from Meniere’s disease. Vertigo, a condition caused by loss of equilibrium and can also cause lightheadedness. ... If you have over exerted yourself, no matter how strong you may be otherwise, you may find yourself experiencing lightheadedness as well. There are also some serious illnesses which may cause lightheadedness. These would include a heart condition or a stroke..."
From: http://www.home-remedies-for-you.com/blog/causes-of-lightheadedness.html
The sourced quote comprising the rest of your post is fine in it's description of dehydration, but as Chrisb1 mentioned in another post it's just not relevant to the experiences people are having here in their fasts. If dehydration is such a common development in "drinking only to thirst", why then are we not inundated here with reports of drying skin, an extremely common manifestation of first stage mild dehydration?
- Re: alb Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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- Re: alb montecristo5216
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- alb Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,575I want to see you "dry fasters" try to beat this time limit. Please videotape your attempt.
How Long Can the Human Body Survive Without Food or Water?Wikimedia Commons.orgThe human body cannot survive without food and water for long periods of time. In fact, according to SurvivalTopics.com, the longest a person can go without water is 10 days--without food, it's four to six weeks. However, due to certain other variables, these numbers can vary. Second to oxygen, water is the most important compound that the human body needs for survival. If you question this statement, try not drinking water for one day.
.Water
The amount of daily water required for optimum health is 2 quarts. That equals to four 16-oz. bottles of water. However, this amount changes if you become more physically active, the weather becomes hotter or the climate is dryer. In these situations, you are losing water through your pores via sweat and will need to replenish what is lost. In conditions like these, you will need to drink up to or about one gallon a day.
Temperature
Because the amount of water needed to drink depends on several variables, we will base the amount needed on the consideration that the person is in the shade. In addition, the amount of water needed for survival is different when the temperature is 120 degrees F compared to 50 degrees F and those in between. Therefore, we'll take the average amount and assume that it is 85 degrees F outside and the person is in the shade. The maximum number of days that the human body can go without water at 85 degrees F in the shade is eight days. As a note, at 50 degrees F in the shade the human body cannot last beyond 10 days, and at 120 degrees F in the shade no longer than two. So you can see it really depends upon the temperature.
Food
A person can go without food for a longer period of time. However, going without food for a few days or even up to a week will make us feel quite different. Some of the symptoms of lack of nutrients from food are weakness, making poor decisions, lethargy, irritability and confusion.
Variables
The amount of time a human can go without food based on information from medical doctors is no longer than four to six weeks. However, other variables can shorten or lengthen this time. Variables such as being obese or not drinking adequate amounts of water can change this amount of time. An obese person who is in good health can last anywhere from three to 25 weeks without food. However, if there is a shortage of both food and water, the person will not survive more than 10 days.
Prevention/Solution.
Read more: How Long Can the Human Body Survive Without Food or Water? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5040218_long-body-survive-food-water.html#ixzz1CaCv...
- Re: Intermittent Fasting chirontherainbowbridge
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,746Those who are interested in dry fasting can look up postings of Fonty's and read through the discussions.
- Dry Fasting Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,761,746
"I want to see you "dry fasters" try to beat this time limit. Please videotape your attempt."
Once again ALB you miss the point :*). Those who are dry fasting are doing so for health and are not interested in taking it too far and flirting with death. Equating dry fasting to dying of thirst is akin to equating water-only fasting to dying of starvation. One is just as silly as the other.
Some of the cure zone links i have been able to find on the subject with comments both from ChrisB and Fonty:
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1135560#I
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1155596
http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1008243
- To ALB....Re: Intermittent Fasting chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,761,746>>>>I want to see you "dry fasters" try to beat this time limit. Please videotape your attempt<<<<<<<<<<<<<.
ALB.....are we in a competition or something? Competing amongst ourselves as to who will win. You are immature not to mention irresponsible.
In order of priority the elements needed for survival are air, then water, and then food.
This is NOT a competition ALB as everyone is individual and has individual needs and wants.
Unless you modify your behavior and act sensibly and responsibly you will be banned from the forum.
Consider this a first warning.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Intermittent Fasting chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting trimnut2
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting montecristo5216
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This is a reply to # 1,761,507WY,
You are an intelligent man, and I very much appreciate your attitude. You are not light when formulating your opinions. You also have a gentle nature and do not pass judgement rapidly, without making a conscious effort to study your points. You do that before expressing them... I really thank you for that.
You dissent without disrespecting. It feels really nice. We are all children of God trying to understand and make sense of the info we gather via living. We can dissent, but still share that common human chord. I can say that no matter the reasons you may have to desire to fast, improving your civility will never be one of them
Regarding your comments, we both know that Water Fasting is as old as human kind. Many spiritual leaders tried Fasting in the past, and also in modern times. Dry Fast has been part of it for some of those leaders, not for all. It has its own merits when done properly.
This forum is, however, for people who want to WF-WATER ONLY. We practice our Fast following the findings and the works of the many known scientists.
Here at Curezone we have a Forum for Intermittent Fasting (this has a lot of merits). I respectfully suggest you post your impressions about it there, since those folks practice it and are better prepared to share their experiences from it.
The following link is not only for you, but also for folks who prefer IF and do not know we have that forum (BTW, a DF forum can also be started by any one who is interested in it).
//www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=916
Best regards,
Monte
- Re: Intermittent Fasting Wheatgrass Yogi
13 y
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This is a reply to # 1,761,576Monte....I guess I should move on if this is a Water Fast
'only' Forum. Thank you for being so kind in your
explanation. I thought this was going to be my support forum because there are so many here who are knowledgeable, but I'll take your advice, and try the other forum.....WY - Re: Intermittent Fasting chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,761,576perhaps it might be worthwhile to mention that all this speculation and engaging others in ideas about this method and that method is just a lot of talk, finally, when what the forum is really built on is practise. There's a living tradition of people who read, study, jump in, quietly water fast, complete it, refeed, and then share what they've learned. All this talk from people who have not yet completed their first Water Fast (sorry, I'm not actually sure what you've done, WY,) is just talk, and has a way of making the forum look like it's all about throwing around ideas, and not an actual tradition.
my 2 cents.
at the same time, I've very wordy, as some have seen, and I too like to imagine great new frontiers of water fasting
( and most of us have been very excited when we first came across WFasting)but I have gone and done the Water Fasts also.- Re: Intermittent Fasting Wheatgrass Yogi
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This is a reply to # 1,761,743Chiron....Of course you're right. I've talked myself into Water Fasting, but first I had to do some speculation at this Forum, and get some replies, to build my courage. I'll submit a fasting report when I have something good to share.
I'll be Water Fasting with Quantum Eating to heal Sciatica.....WY
- Re: Intermittent Fasting Wheatgrass Yogi
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting Wheatgrass Yogi
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting ALB
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- Re: Intermittent Fasting drbutterscotch
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