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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,674,379This is a very interesting article, on a subject I have wondered about. Liver cleansing.
Next week my sweetie and I will be at a gathering of people for one of the top liver transplant teams in the world. We will be meeting with the surgeons and doctors of this team for celebratory reasons, but I will ask them......... when a liver is evaluated for transplantation, do they see, do they refuse organ grafts because they see these same objects that appear to emit from Liver Cleanses that are posted on the internet?
These doctors and surgeons have as intimate a view of livers as anyone on the planet. So I'll ask them. Very curious.
A little bit of history... my sweetie is a liver transplant recipient.
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have you ever done one hv?
Why does it matter? Does someone have to smash their foot with a sledge hammer to prove to themselves that it will hurt? Or is evidence and common sense enough to tell them that they do not have to smash their foot to know that it is going to hurt?
The evidence is overwhelming that what people are passing are not real gallstones. Even when people have sent these "stones" to a lab for testing it was confirmed that they WERE NOT real gallstones. How much evidence do people need before they finally start realizing that these flushes are quackery?
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This is a reply to # 1,675,074i dunno it just seems real authority with talking about something comes from actually trying it.
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i dunno it just seems real authority with talking about something comes from actually trying it.
Again why? Especially considering the facts that what people are describing as far as texture, color, etc. are not fitting of real gallstones. And the fact that many of the "stones" people are showing in their photos cannot physically pass through the bile ducts no matter how much magnesium you take. And considering the fact that there are well known chemical reactions between the ingredients and bile that have been proven to form in the intestines exactly what is being described. And finally considering the fact that when these "stones" were actually analyzed by a real lab they were found to NOT BE real gallstones.
How many people have done this have passes little green squishy things that superficially look like real gallstones? Are they authorities on this just because they superficially resemble real gallstones and these people falsely believe they are real gallstones? Please explain to me how this constitutes "real authority" in any stretch of the imagination.
And tell me do you have to travel to the sun to know it really exists, that it is really hot and it emits a lot of deadly radiation? Gee, I have never been to the sun myself but I still knew all that about the sun and more. In fact I don't know of any authority on the sun that has actually been there. So does that mean they have no proof of the sun's existence or effects?
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This is a reply to # 1,675,074The main reason that it matters is that very few who have done the Liver Flush ever speaks negatively of it. The greatest complainers are the ones who have not tried.
I have known a number of people who did coffee enemas during the 1970's and they are in their eighties and nineties and still doing well. Of those that I personally have known to do the liver flush, they have improved health wise and many who have gone the traditional surgical route are not doing better.
I gain nothing from someone doing either cleanses or flushes but strongly recommend them, not only just because of my personal experience but from the experiences of those that know.
The really sad thing is, like all of the dead Canadians from the substandard drugs that we heard about on the news, liver flushers are so horribly suffering, from what I don't know. Have you read the incredible list of side effects? None, but a load of crap in the commode or on the web!
Oh! but the profit made from such scams. I bet that Dr. Clark had massive stock holdings in apple juice and Epsom Salts . Read about the Quack . The price of a Liver Flush is outrageous compared to the fun and expense of having a gall bladder removed.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,379Actually the benefit of the Liver Flush is that it indeed makes the gall bladder expel bile, that´s why people claim they feel the benefits. But actually you can achieve the same results by using specific herbs, which is way better than the whole Liver Flush protocol.
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Actually the benefit of the liver flush is that it indeed makes the gall bladder expel bile, that´s why people claim they feel the benefits. But actually you can achieve the same results by using specific herbs, which is way better than the whole liver flush protocol.
Even small amounts of oils with meals such as a olive oil an vinegar dressing on a salad will help keep the bile from becoming stagnant. Taking very large amounts of oil just puts the body at risk from possibly lodging a real stone in the bile ducts if any real stones are present.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,379The author of this artical used the report I wrote about about my sister avoiding surgery... I don't do Liver Flushes anymore instead use bitters... but I can't convince my sister bitters are better. How do you explain her circumstances?
Avoided Gallbladder Surgery by Flushing at Liver Flush Support Forum
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=413584
In her case the doc DID give her a ct scan before (it showed the stones) and after (the stones were gone) and her horrid painful attacks stopped after she passed the stones. Maybe because the stones were in her galllbladder not her liver. (Actually it was two or three stones... orginally I thought she had only one) She still believes in liver flushes...
She also had parasites, several large tape worms among others that she saw. I saw two - one in the hospital and we fished one out of the toilet, put it in a ziplock bag. placed in a a jar with water and took it to the doctor - the doc said the 5 or 6 foot worm was a beef tapeworm. My sis said that it was nothing compared to the others. She was fasting at the time so they were easy to see.
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- Re: Great article on the myth of liv... mingus
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This is a reply to # 1,674,594Lecithin dissolves stones. Lecithin is in the olive oil for the flush.
Why not just take lecithin, or a tablespoon or two or olive oil, every day and avoid going through the onerous flushing routine?
It seems to me constantly chipping away at something will do more good in the long run than massive attacks done infrequently. Or in the case of people who seem to do these flushes on a routine basis, I imagine the whole Liver Flush routine with the Epsom Salts is probably fatiguing to the body.- Re: Great article on the myth of liv... Charly
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This is a reply to # 1,674,654Hi Mingus,
I do take lecithin every day - my sister does too. it was year's ago that I did liver flushes. And I take oil daily.
My sis doesen't use Epsome salts in her flushes - We were taught a completly different one.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,663Oh, no. I meant anyone in general. That post was not specifically for you. Just the liver flushers out there.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,663My experience with flushing has been a positive. Coming home from the surgeon (2002 or 3) I jumped right in, since I wanted to avoid surgery.
CZ started off with Clark, Schultz etc., we have now many forums and different approaches so at that time it was the only option.
I had a 1" stone stuck in the gallbladder neck, the wall was 42mm instead of 3mm and there was inflammation. After 10 months I did another ultrasound and the stone was free floating and the gallbladder was back to normal.
The stone is still there and in the last year I have been using the bitters instead.
In an article from China, where they did liverflushing in the hospital but it took an average of 34 days, their conclusion was that only stones not bigger than 1 cm could be expelled.
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/gallstones.htm
As far as allergies I had them lifelong (since childhood) and they are gone and with that the brain fog.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1630428
I also got off prescription drugs, anti-depressants etc (a total of 6) I had been on for almost 40 years.
It never did anything for my cholesterol, but some people it worked for that too.- Re: Great article on the myth of liv... mingus
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This is a reply to # 1,674,757Good.
My only thing is, I think 99% of the benefit from Liver Flushing is from the lecithin in the olive oil, and the other 1% from belief.
Personally, I think people would get the same benefit from taking a little bit of lecithin everyday for maintenance, and maybe a lot more everyday if there is indeed an issue with stones.
As far as cholesterol, I don't know. Those who post positive benefits for that are probably doing many things concurrently and are contributing the cholesterol benefits to the liver flushing.- Re: Great article on the myth of liv... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,674,763I think you are right Mingus, prevention is always better than trying to fix a major problem. I recently did liver flushes, just as a self experiment. I know I did not have any gall stones, or liver stones , as I had a very thorough ultra sound examination before I decided to try the experiment. (I use bitters daily, along with olive oil and rice bran oil).
I wanted to see if I would have the stones that others have reported. This is what happened, I did produce 'stones', these were similar to what is reported by people doing liver flushes. The thing is, I know they did not come from my gall bladder or liver, so they must have come from the ingredients of the flush, combined with my own bile.
I can confidently say that I have proven to myself that these flushes are bogus. While they may help people by contracting the gallbladder, and the placebo effect, they do not get rid of gallstones. As Hv says, they could potentially be very dangerous, which is why I made sure that I did not have gallstones, as I did not want to risk lodging one in the bile duct.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,780My thoughts, some of them anyway, are that the Liver Flush does do something beneficial. It just does not do everything the supporters say it does.
However, I think taking some lecithin and bitters everyday will do the same thing a whole lot easier.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,654"Lecithin is in the olive oil for the flush"..?
I'm curious - where did you learn about this?- Re: Great article on the myth of liv... Hveragerthi
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"Lecithin is in the olive oil for the flush"..?
I'm curious - where did you learn about this?I don't know where they got that but lecithin is not a component of olive oil.
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The author of this artical used the report I wrote about about my sister avoiding surgery... I don't do liver flushes anymore instead use bitters... but I can't convince my sister bitters are better. How do you explain her circumstances?
Avoided Gallbladder Surgery by Flushing at Liver Flush Support Forum
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=413584
In her case the doc DID give her a ct scan before (it showed the stones) and after (the stones were gone) and her horrid painful attacks stopped after she passed the stones. Maybe because the stones were in her galllbladder not her liver. (Actually it was two or three stones... orginally I thought she had only one) She still believes in liver flushes...It is hard to say without more details such as what she was taking, diet, etc.. But for starters CT scans are not effective for diagnosing gallstones. And considering the amount of radiation they give off with even one I think the doctor is a quack for giving her one, let alone two instead of doing the more accurate and non-radiation ultrasound.
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