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Concern trolling is a form of Internet trolling in which someone enters a discussion with claims that he or she supports the view of the discussion, but has concerns. In fact, the concern troll is opposed to the view of the discussion, and he or she uses concern trolling to sow doubt and dissent in the community of commenters or posters. Although this practice originated on the Internet, it has since spread to the real world as well, withconcern trolls popping up in a variety of places from network television to op-ed columns.
Artful concern trolling involves developing a believable persona as a supporter of a cause who has legitimate concerns. In an example of concern trolling, a group of people might be having a political discussion on a website about a candidate they support. The concern troll would log on and say “I'm concerned that this candidate might not be strong enough to beat the opposition,” or “I'm worried that the candidate's history in the legislature might be a problem in the election.”
Once a concern troll has sowed dissent or discord, often he or she can sit back and let the other commenters do the rest of the work. When a concern troll has done the job correctly, the discussion will split, factions will emerge, and support for the cause will have eroded. Concern trolling can also be highly distracting, as people band together to oppose the concern troll, rather than discussing serious issues, including valid concerns which should be addressed.
Depending on the context, a concern troll may use a sockpuppet, a false account which conceals his or her real identity. In some particularly infamous cases, members of political campaigns have trolled the opposition using sockpuppet accounts with the goal of undermining grassroots support. When these cases are exposed, it can be quite embarrassing, as trolling is generally viewed as an underhanded and often questionable tactic.
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Have witnessed classic cases of it right here at the zone. Surely you have too?
This is classic agent provocateur tactics. Information disruption 101 especially where government and corporate perceptions are involved.
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- you protesteth too much psy ops all ... #68716
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These are just a few of your psy op accusations. Either you're one of them or you've got your psy op glasses on.
This was just one quick search on the first page of many with your psy ops posts.
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This is a reply to # 1,650,777What you are saying is a "protest" is merely information sharing. People can check out shared information, weigh it and make their own conclusions and make (hopefully)informed comments. If you have read anything and understood what I have been saying all along is that for true freedom and awareness to shine through, one must take one's power back from all outer influences. To do that, one must be aware of what those influences are. ;-)
Explain how the information I have shared would actually help TPTB vs individuals being affected by their influences?
Seeing psy ops is easy when you have researched the TPTB for as long as I have. Many others here at curezone also see these patterns with ease.
Now as far as your tone, and attempting yet again to make this personal.....
I believe you got your shackles up regarding me due to information I shared in the past that may have stirred up your sensibilities. I shared info of how much of the new age movement was constructed for creating separation rather than anything truly empowering. Doing a search on your information, people will readily see your attachment to much of what is considered by many to be of that New Age movement. So here we see in you the "attack the messenger" tactics yet again.
What I would like to share with other posters, that may be viewing this, is to point out that this particular poster has sent me several threatening messages.
Note to "Gina." If you keep them up I will post them for everyone to see just how you conduct yourself and share them with the moderating team.
Perhaps you would like to stick with the information?
- who's passive aggressive and getting... #68716
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I posted only one personal message to you and here it is. Your threats don't scare me.
4,000 posts in 7 months?
Subject: 4,000 posts in 7 months?
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ginab4uYou post a lot. What's your intention?
It's forcing your beliefs on everyone, cramming it down our throats.
I noticed you have two personalities. You can be nice, interesting and funny to certain people, but to others you're extremely passive aggressive, with more emphasis on aggressiveness, attacking people relentlessly and negatively.
It's a real bummer having that form of person posting in threads. You bring down the discussion to one big angry defensive mess. If people don't agree with your religion you attack them and it's not easy defending yourself against you because you're entrenched in your dogma, and you don't let go like a pit bull.
My guess is you've been diagnosed with BPD or bipolar disorder.
Do you see how underhandedly aggressive you are? Do you like pushing people's buttons and getting people angry?
Were you a troll in another life?
I've chosen to ignore you, but if you attack me, push your religion on me, or even others in a thread I'm talking, I'm going to say all this in there.
There's just so much abuse a person can take and they have to say enough is enough.
Be nice or go away.- You missed.. InnerCalm
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This is a reply to # 1,650,802My response which was...
"Reread your posts, then mine and your last personal attacks and then redirect your questions back to yourself. it may be enlightening for you. Feel free to attack me in public vs doing it under a rock. It may be a freeing experience for you. ;-)
Are you free yet?
- Re: who's passive aggressive and get... RyanD
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This is a reply to # 1,650,802Obviously another attempt to censor.. The dots are connecting! This pretty much seems to be the agenda as is the thread in the Oil spill forum and the attempt to protect BP interests.... Avoid these people even avoid the stalkers as much as possible...
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This is a reply to # 1,650,802How many posts over what time period? Good lord.
Ginab4u, one thing this CZ software is missing is the ability to ignore or turn off users. Other forums seem to have this function. It really makes the experience so much better, tolerable, to be able to Ignore User. It certainly makes it easier to deal with hijacked threads. I just use that software V-chip switch in my head that simply doesn't read posts from certain user names that become insufferable.
Come to think of it, that would be another nice feature, to be able to start a thread as an original poster and then flip a switch and blacklist particular users. Yeah yeah, some can call it what-evah. I call it inviting people to my party, and some just aren't invited.
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- Re: who's passive aggressive and get... MatrixMaven
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This is a reply to # 1,651,099I'm not sure if I can wrap my mind around what the big deal is about how many posts a particular poster posts!!!
The way I see it is that is someone posts a lot of good, helpful information, (IMHO) he/she is a generous soul, giving of one's time for the benefit of the whole. And even if some of those posts are debative in nature, it shows an intelligent, critical mind, with enough knowledge about various topics to be able to stand up to the counterpart.
Also, I have seen some highly intelligent people who are able to put their thoughts together in seconds (my sister being one of them) so perhaps the poster in question has this ability too, and his/her posting take no time at all. What the heck difference does it make, and why has it even been bought up?
Geesh.
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The point being, who has the time, or the energy, to be in here that often disrupting threads? Unfortunalty, there are many paid trolls on controversial forums (paid by teacher's unions, other unions, political groups, religious groups. governments, PACs, and other special interest groups.) Notice how divisive these forums IC (or IT, inner turmoil) is on are, and how people are confused and wondering who's the planted troll?
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News Type: Other — Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDTOn another article, I mentioned that I had encountered on a message board that there were "paid" trolls. These people were surfing the internet and joining discussion boards solely for the purpose of disruption of any discussion that was adverse to their employers. Since I hadn't researched it or googled the subject I got to it. Here is a copy of the list on just one page of a search. I was appalled that not only was there one person that had mentioned this but that many people were discussing this issue.
Representing yourself as a "real" person that is interested in the subject and has a valid different opinion is practicing democracy. When you are being paid to promote the opinion of someone else that is not necessarily yours, that is wrong to me. I will not advocate for something I do not believe in firmly. I will question and discuss until I work out an opinion.
What are your thoughts on Paid Trolls, not just the usual unhappy place troll. The list follows and again this is only one page of a search using Paid Trolls as the search on Bing. I didn't Metacrawl search it.
Noble Realms / Paid TrollsPaid trolls is a subject we've thrown around in the abstract, but here is a link to a ... that there are people soullessly and robotically defending a company or a political ...
forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=3554 · Cached pageDo Paid Trolls... - Urban LegendsPolitics / Government / Law; Print Discussion ... A lot of forum and digg trolls are paid. It’s pathetic but there it is. .....
forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-urbanlegends&tid=9770 · Cached pagePaid Political Trolls on ATS...I fart in your general ...Discusion about Paid Political Trolls on ATS...I fart in your general direction! in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Politicians & People.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread360380/pg1 · Cached pageIf I report the paid political troll issue to Yahoo ...Best Answer: You have got to be kidding me. You'd probably would end up with violations for old posts.
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answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070421163507AAWjd62 · Cached pageEconomist's View: "Astro-Turf Trolls for the ...Great. Organized, paid blog trolls: Make no mistake: GOP is paying trolls to "blog attack", by Politics and Technology: This is unbelievable. We always knew that there were right ...economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2009/08/astroturf-trolls-for-the-blogosphere.html · Cached pageTrolls Exposed: What kind of troll is disrupting your ...There are also paid political trolls. They actually get paid to surf through online communities and disrupt meaningful conversations while touting their party line.
www.times-standard.com/davestancliff/ci_12489233 · Cached pageWhat is the motivation of a Y/A Politics conspiracy ...Is it paid to create to havoc by political organizations to bash Bush? Is it a Yahoo employee as one has ... The troll is you who keep opening accounts to answer these questions ...
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070427190841AA2TqNB · Cached pageDo Paid Trolls... - Urban LegendsPaying for trolls seems like just another step on the ladder ... I would certainly not rule out "paid trolling" as a possibility - particularly in political and religious ...
forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=2&nav=messages&webtag=ab-urbanlegends&tid=9770 · Cached pagePaid troll - Consumerium... to intervene nor to take any political stance. This is obviously ideal, and discourages the very enthusiastic contributors less. If there are other types of paid troll identified ...
develop.consumerium.org/wiki/Paid_troll · Cached pageWesleyDonehue.comGodin says that as professionals, we are paid to ignore them. In politics, we cannot and we must not because sure, trolls “live in a tiny echo chamber,” but so do some other ...
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- Re: who's passive aggressive and get... queenofsheeba
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This is a reply to # 1,651,109Why bring it up?
Easy. Because some posters are a$$holes.
Begin debate.
- Re: who's passive aggressive and get... MatrixMaven
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OOOOOOOOOh QOS, resorting to namecalling!! Isn't this against Forum Rules ? This is starting to sound personal, or at least you are taking something personal! Did something push your buttons or is something in disagreement with your beliefs? - Re: who's passive aggressive and get... ciscokid
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This is a reply to # 1,651,127ROTFLMAO. Couldn't have said it better QoS.
From the looks of it, you weren't calling anyone in particular, anything in particular. Appears to be a generic comment. Didn't see how that could get someone's uns in a twist, but guess it did. And thank goodness it did, because I am still guffawing as it feels like I walked into an adult Mommie Daycare Center.
Tell ya what. Will take up the challenge to debate. How about, "What is censorship?"
Ok ok, I'll start.
One form would be what I said in my message. That it is nice when forum software has the ability to Ignore User. That is indeed censorship. Censorship that takes place in my own brain. A censorship of one. That only I am responsible for. That in no way foists my belief systems on anyone else. I think that is pretty darned tootin' responsible. My message was a wish list for this kind of feature on CZ. If someone took it personally, then I got a huge kick out of responses because it made me laugh outloud. For many seconds. I almost drooled on myself. Really funny stuff, those darned responses.
Who's next in the debate challenge?- Re: who's passive aggressive and get... queenofsheeba
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This is a reply to # 1,651,216You're going to get yourself into trouble Ciscokid if you keep talking like that. Trying to be funny in such a serious discussion may not fly with some people. But at least you are observant. No, I did not specify any particular poster.
What is censorship? Will have to think of a response to that. It seems to have self serving meanings depending on who you talk to.
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