do you drink it?
have you experience with it?
do you make it?
I'm drinking a glass (Well, actually, four tonight!) of kombucha that has added small amounts of fresh bluebery juice, fresh-grated ginger juice and some cracked juniper berries added...I meant to let it sit and ripen a bit after bottling up the 'doctored' kombucha tea, but it's too good
to wait for. Delicious. Loaded with good things.
In case you have windered about it, many people will give of seel you the SCOBYS for a very fiar rate--I got my first SCOBY from ebay--and it was lovely.
any thoughts?
I used to make the tea nearly 20 years ago when they were really popular. I got busy and stopped making it though and now I no longer have a scoby. I need to get a new one and some water kefir grains. Actually not so much for drinking though as for an experiment.
I do like the tea though. It provides a number of heath benefits provided the culture does not get contaminated.
When I was making the tea I talked to m dad's neighbor who was using various herbs as bases as opposed to tea. My favorite was the damiana based kombucha. I have always wanted to try anticancer herbs as a base such as red clover and especially chagas. Chagas are high in antiviral and antitumor betulinic acid. I am hoping that the bacteria in the kombucha will take the betulinic acid and synthesize even more of the compound. Would make another great experiment.
"Actually not so much for drinking though as for an experiment"
Aha! I hoped as much.
And what about opals dedicated to kombucha?
(I think nettles are out: too meaty)
LOL!!! Funny you should mention that. That is what I want the water kefir and kombucha for. It is to aid in making the opals.
Ah yes, chaga...I've been wanting to do a chaga expedition for some time.
Up until recently I had only met two people who even had a clue what a chaga is. One was an herbalist in Santa Cruz and the other was a Lakota medicine man. They are finally coming to the public's attention here in the US. Chagas are very popular in Russia where they are used to treat cancers and various viral conditions. What is really interesting is that the medicine man was telling me that they smoke them to treat lung cancer!!!! Apparently the betulinic acid is heat stable.
I used to collect them when I would go visit my father. There was a small patch along the creek on the lower end of the ranch. And There was really big patch several miles up the creek.
And damiana--I like damiana tea--would probably be a good kombucha. Damiana and no green or white tea?
I think all he used was the damiana tea. It makes sense that the culture would grow on multiple sources. I mean how are they going to be exposed to only green or black tea in nature? I would think any tannin source would work.
Have always wondered why people keep saying not to use other than green, white or black tea--( and black tea is sort of 'blech')
The problem is that some herbs have strong antiseptic properties, which could kill the culture. For example I would not try to use a tea made from goldenseal.
I mean, common sense would say- what?
That the teas are not the only tannin source. I would think that the culture was probably collected in nature from from water source that was tannin rich from leaves and barks falling in the water.
1. The kombucha (SCOBY) needs tannins. Is this true?
I would say yes. From what I have seen the culture is converting the tannins (tannic acid) in to the other acids.
I mean, 'they' say, don't use flavoured or herbal teas--that the volotile oils can mess up the fermentation.
Yes. But again that would be do to the antiseptic properties of most essential oils. But oils are not the only antiseptics. Some alkaloids are also antiseptic, such as berberine.
But what about doing these additions as a secondary fermentation? When I once did that, trying to create a sort of champagne, adding just a bit more cane suagr, and a little ginger, it make a delicious sparkling kombucha.
(after about six months capped outside. I lost some bottles in the freeze and thaw--but the rest seemed better for it.)
You can use various teas for the initial fermentation. You just have to make sure that the pant provides the tannins and does not contain antiseptic compounds that may kill the cultures. A few things that can be used are oak bark and raspberry leaf. I still think red clover would work as well.
So many questions, once we start talking experiements!
OMG. I knew it! I mean I knew there were 'opals' in the kombucha. I'm starting to pick up the inventor's spirit.
Pretty close. Acids are involved in the process. And I want to use natural acids formed by the kefir grains or kombucha to maintain the electrolyte he mentioned.
Chaga is wonderful stuff. But people must not be allowed to become greedy with it--that would be bad, all around.
I have some white oak bark, and some red clover.
And about a T. of raspeberry leaf. Would you suggest mixing these? Kombucha talk, now.
I would try them separately to see what flavor each provides. Like I mentioned earlier the damiana provided the best flavor I have tasted.
I can't remember why I bought the white oak bark--
can you remind me about of its uses?
Oak bark is very rich in tannins making it an astringent. So it can be used to stop diarrhea or bleeding, or topically for hemorrhoids or sunburns. And it can be used to tighten loose teeth or for thrush or other yeast infections.
What is the distinction between an antibiotic (such as golden seal) and an atiseptic. (I mean in herbs)
They are somewhat the same. Antibiotics kill bacteria. Antiseptic is a broader term covering various pathogens such as viruses, bacteria and fungi.
And this may be very elementary--I *am* mostly self-taught:
is there a comprehensive list online of which plants contain tannins?
Not that I am aware of. The list would actually be pretty long since many plants contain some tannins. It is the really high tannin content herbs that you have to watch for such as oak bark, coffee, tea, uva ursi, witch hazel, Mormon tea, cranesbill root, etc. High tannin herbs more astringent, which is generally a give-a-way to their tannin content.
I once had so many SCOBYS, I was cutting them all up for the compost, after I gave up on the idea od making a sort of vegan octopus snack. (and I don't even have a yard right now; just a long balcony). And then I thought there'd be a super (!) market for them as dog chews...I've got bags of scraps in the freezer. I may have to get a new Scoby though. All this started with a nice thick mason-sized Scoby form ebay, (suspiciously -or maybe auspiciously creamy white, but gorgeous, and it grew some really large ones--there's a common picture online in kombucha communities of a nice big glass container--wide mouth; that's the one I mostly use. But I may have to return to the quart size to experiment with herbal kombuchas...
And once I tied to cut a large SCOBY into smaller ones--but they don't like scissors, or any metal in fact. I have two very thick, big SCOBYs, but they don't seem to be producing any babies--even though they are producing more tea itself.
Scoby Scoby Doo!!!!! I had heard a long time ago that they recommend not eating the scoby due to the high melatonin content. Never verified that though.
hmmm.
and the opal saga continues.
Oh--a question about green chai. I've developed this sort of habit lately for STASH (sorry to say, yup, a brand) green chai. I am wondering if it is in any way interfering with calcium?
If it contains actual tea then yes. Tea contains oxalic acid that binds the calcium making it unusable to the body.
The spice part really seems to be something my body wants--just curious. I think I'm getting a bit achey lately. In fingers, and tingly in toes. Any ideas about that?
Tea can also raise uric acid levels, which can lead to joint damage and pain. What about nettle chai instead?
Here is a page with informaton on using herbs to brew kombucha.http://www.happyherbalist.com/adding_herbs_to_kombucha.htm
Interesting list, thanks for posting it.
I do disagree with some of their suggestions for herbs though, especially under their conditions section. Herbs like rhubarb root and senna should be avoided since they are harsh stimulant laxatives that can lead to a laxative dependence. I don't like horsetail grass due to the nicotine content, which constricts the blood vessels. And they recommend Melissa (lemon balm) for menopause, which is not a good idea. Women going in to menopause already tend to become hypothyroid due to the suppression of thyroid function by unopposed estrogen. Melissa is a thyroid suppressant.
Not sure why they recommend mistletoe for menopause either. It is the berries of mistletoe that are loaded with a progesterone-like substance. But they are also loaded with a dangerous cardiac glycoside, which is why the leaf, not the berries are used in medicine.