What is Jesus Now? 
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I decided to bring this issue up because of the belief systems some people have in place about whether God is all Spirit and the fact that some may not believe in an actual physical return of Jesus Christ to be King of Kings on this earth.
Scripture does say God is Spirit and we should worship Him in spirit but if you take the bible as a whole you will see that Jesus being God, now has a glorified body which is an unique combination of flesh and spirit.
Many talk about being spirit now but the bible goes in more detail explaining what being spirit really is.
quoting some of David Reagan here:
Jesus did appear in the flesh after his resurrection. In Luke 24:39, He told His disciples when He appeared to them after His resurrection, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." He specifically states that He was made of flesh and bones and not just a spirit. In another post-resurrection appearance, Jesus ate bread and fish with the disciples (John 21:12-13). These were not the actions of a spirit.
However, we need to remember that this body was a resurrected body--like the body we will have when we are resurrected. This body is also called a glorified body. The glorified body does not have the limitations of our present body. Jesus appeared in rooms where the doors had been shut and certainly locked: "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you" (John 20:19). Christ never passed through closed doors during His earthly ministry; only after His resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:44 speaks of our death and resurrection: "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. " The spiritual body is what I earlier called the glorified body. It is the body of the saints when it has been resurrected. It is an incorrupt body, but it is a body.
The amount of time Jesus spent on earth after His resurrection and before His ascension into heaven was 40 days. Of this time, Acts 1:3 states, "To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God." We are clearly told that He appeared for forty days on earth. Also, He ascended before the feast of Pentecost which occurred exactly fifty days after the feast of firstfruits, a feast that coincided with His resurrection. That means that the believers prayed for ten days before the day of Pentecost for the coming of the promise of the Father. End of quote
Thinking that Jesus is just a state of mind and that our world will come together with man's own doing is not what the bible says will happen. Jesus has a glorified body now and that body is made that way for a purpose....not just to sit on a throne but to lead His people and guide them to peace and love.....something we can not do on our own.
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Regarding Christianity I like to use the source. In Matthew Chapter 24 Jesus tells of all sorts of dire events that are yet to come. Here is a wrap up of what he is saying:
Matthew 24:29 - 33 (NKJV) “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away."
Jesus returned more 2,000 years ago. It is what he said he would do, and he said he would do it in his generation. Why do so many people not believe him, yet say they believe in a literal interpretation to the bible? Ever hear of the Jewish Revolt of 66-70 AD? That's when the majority of his prophecy transpired.
He says a similar thing in the book of Mark:
Mark 9:1 (KJV) "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
John the Baptist's message was the same as the message of Jesus and Jesus said the same thing regarding those who listened to John.
Jesus and the Kingdom of God/Heaven has been with us for at least 2,000 years. He showed it to us and he told us the path to find it for ourselves.
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This is a reply to # 1,584,943Yes, Jesus has been, and is with His followers. He is with us every day leading us, teaching us, holding us, etc.
But earth now is obviously not the place He is talking about when He said He is preparing a place for us, and He said He would return, come get us, and take us back with Him to that place He has prepared.
John 14:1-4
1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. 2In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going.”
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"Jesus has been, and is with His followers. He is with us every day leading us, teaching us, holding us, etc."
Jesus is with anyone - gentile, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, anyone, he isn't exclusive. He proved that when he stopped to chat with a Christian killing Pharisee on the road to Damascus.
"But earth now is obviously not the place He is talking about when He said He is preparing a place for us, and He said He would return, come get us, and take us back with Him to that place He has prepared."
So once more, you don't believe what he said in Mark 9:1:
Mark 9:1 (KJV) "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
He has fulfilled the preparations of the many mansions. He has taken many to where he is at - in fact he is here now, so he has fulfilled John 1-4. If you've read the teachings of Jesus - where did he say the "many mansions" were at?
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This is a reply to # 1,585,032Because someone doesn't believe in your particular interpretation of the scripture does not mean they don't believe the words of Jesus.
I'm not going to claim that I understand everything the scriptures say. I know I don't.
But I believe scripture has to be interpreted with scripture, the clearer scriptures to interpret the less clearer scriptures.
In doing that, I cannot come up with the interpretation you have come up with about God's kingdom already being here.
Nor does that make any sense with what I see of this world.
I also do not see how Paul's conversion proves that all people are with Jesus. God changed Saul's name to Paul to show he was a new creation. Saul was Jesus's enemy.
He did not love Jesus. Paul loved Jesus. Jesus was Paul's life.
What has believing the kingdom is already here done for you?
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"Because someone doesn't believe in your particular interpretation of the scripture does not mean they don't believe the words of Jesus."
Then you obviously don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. In fact, anyone who says they believe that way are just fooling themselves.
"I'm not going to claim that I understand everything the scriptures say. I know I don't.
But I believe scripture has to be interpreted with scripture, the clearer scriptures to interpret the less clearer scriptures.
In doing that, I cannot come up with the interpretation you have come up with about God's kingdom already being here.
Nor does that make any sense with what I see of this world.""The world" is not where Jesus taught that the kingdom of god is at.
"I also do not see how Paul's conversion proves that all people are with Jesus. God changed Saul's name to Paul to show he was a new creation. Saul was Jesus's enemy.
He did not love Jesus. Paul loved Jesus. Jesus was Paul's life."It doesn't prove that all people are with Jesus, it is just an outstanding example that you don't have to be a "Christian" to have a chat with Jesus.
"What has believing the kingdom is already here done for you?"It has changed my life and direction and provided me with rewards and experiences I never before thought were possible. It has also brought me loads of healing both spiritually and physically.
I'm not posting to change anyone's view. I'm only pointing out scriptures that if taken literally, would change the face of Christianity as we know it. Instead, the teachings have been convoluted and massaged so that they fit into a particular belief system - and it didn't happen just yesterday, it's been going since even before the creation of scriptures.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,067I believe what the bible says, as well as I can understand it. I believe the whole bible, not just the red letters.
"It doesn't prove that all people are with Jesus, it is just an outstanding example that you don't have to be a "Christian" to have a chat with Jesus."
sure, I will agree that you don't have to be a christian to have a chat with Jesus. Judas the Iscariot chatted with Jesus. So did satan. Pontas Pilot chatted with Jesus. Non of these were christians.
"I'm only pointing out scriptures that if taken literally, would change the face of Christianity as we know it. "
How would it change christianity?
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This is a reply to # 1,584,943That seems to be a Preterist view
Is this a preterist view as well?
The Unholy Alliance - Christianity & The NWO
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1547374#i
5Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. 1 Corinthians 4
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This is a reply to # 1,584,985he will do that if i allow it now at this moment,if i do not use bad energy in my and judgement. exelent, he is God!
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It is so interesting how "Christians" have to label everything they don't understand while at the same time they don't believe the teachings of Jesus. You think that I'm a "preterist" and you didn't even address the fact that Jesus said his prophecy would be fulfilled in his generation.
The NWO hoax is a creation of a segment of Christianity and they are the ones who are trying to create if for themselves. They predict a control of the entire world under their one-world religion and even they are confused about how it's going to happen. Judgment? It's simply an observation. I quote Jesus, and you quote a Christian killing, Roman, Pharisee who never even knew him while at the same time much of what he has supposedly written that became gospel are known fabrications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles#Authenticity_of_the_epistles
The letters thought to be pseudepigraphic by the majority of modern scholars include:
- Pastoral epistles
- First Timothy
- Second Timothy
- Titus
- Ephesians
The letters on which modern scholars are about evenly divided are:
- Colossians
- Second Thessalonians
An anonymous letter that nearly all modern scholars agree was probably not written by Paul is:
- Hebrews
Thanks for not responding to the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 24.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,037I'm sorry if you thought no one else believed the way you do. It's a belief system that not too many people know about. Are you offended as well with the label "Christian"?
I did not address the topic because it is useless to do so.
You state: "Jesus is with anyone - gentile, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, anyone, he isn't exclusive."
I would rather you stay in the belief system you are now in than to discourage you any further in telling you my beliefs.
I have seen too many christians with preterist views turn to atheism. That is how dangerous to salvation I believe the view is.- Re: What is Jesus Now? #107689
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"I'm sorry if you thought no one else believed the way you do. It's a belief system that not too many people know about. Are you offended as well with the label "Christian"?
I did not address the topic because it is useless to do so.
You state: "Jesus is with anyone - gentile, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan, anyone, he isn't exclusive."
I would rather you stay in the belief system you are now in than to discourage you any further in telling you my beliefs.
I have seen too many christians with preterist views turn to atheism. That is how dangerous to salvation I believe the view is."I read the gospels and I believe the "red letter" teachings of Jesus. I'm a Christian and I know of no label that I wish to have applied to me. This is a Christianity (Biblical) Support #2 forum and I'm simply supporting the bible teachings of Jesus as I understand them. I rarely use any other parts of the bible to support my views though I do think there's some pretty good stuff in the rest of it. I don't think that Jesus in anyway restricts himself to his "followers" - in fact I think there are a great many Christians out there who have a label of some other religion that don't even know they are Christians.
Believing in and having an experience with God is my prime goal and Jesus said it too when asked a trick question by the Pharisees about which was the greatest commandment in the law he replied "The first one is to love the lord thy god with all they are heart and soul and the second one is like unto it (i.e. equal, same as, identical), to love thy neighbor as thyself, for this is the law and the prophets." The Law and the Prophets were the entire bible in Jesus' day and included more than what we now call the Old Testament. In that one quote of Jesus there are so many, many lessons and each one can get what they want from it, but I have mine. There are many people on the planet who follow that teaching, and it's not an easy path but it is sure rewarding.
I like the teachings of Jesus, I try to follow them, and I think that when we deny the millions of others who are trying to do the same thing we are failing to love our neighbors. It was Martin Luther King who said "There are many paths to the mountain top" and I believe that. No one has the final spiritual solution for anyone - except themselves. It's sometimes a difficult lesson and I'm still learning it myself.
In danger of turning to atheism? Nope. When one establishes a one on one communication with his/her god, it just won't happen.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,059"In danger of turning to atheism? Nope. When one establishes a one on one communication with his/her god, it just won't happen."
Good to know.
"There are many paths to the mountain top"
The mountain climb can be quite the struggle for people coming from all walks of life. We all create our own path to Christ...our own journey. Jesus welcomes us with open arms once we get to the top.- Re: What is Jesus Now? #107689
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This is a reply to # 1,585,065
"The mountain climb can be quite the struggle for people coming from all walks of life. We all create our own path to Christ...our own journey. Jesus welcomes us with open arms once we get to the top."
He's also helping zillions of us along the way, whether we know it or not.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,068I agree. He is drawing each and every person. Our paths are very individual and special. I have my story....you have yours. The only part where I may disagree with is what the rest of the story is once you get to the top of that mountain.
People still must choose Jesus for themselves. He may have died for all so they have the opportunity to be saved from their sins but the relationship must be established....a marriage if you will. Not all want what he has to offer...believe it or not.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,037you have hit it right on the head of the neal. how are they realy care about Jesus whenever it comes to control from them and pleasure to them? how could they let such wisdom and living for the soul as childen of God in Eden when they resummed such direction for utilities - it is one or the other. this is the origen sin. now they want order again....
Jesus said his prophecy will be fulfilled in his generasion.....woooooooooow! fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- Re: What is Jesus Now? Big thanks fo... refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,585,368This is not a salvation issue, whether or not you believe Jesus will come again.
The only time I will stand my ground without a whimper is when people come into a Christian forum and say that they don't need Jesus and yet claim salvation.
John 10
1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
14"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
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This is a reply to # 1,585,416the shepherd is alive in a form of God's love to life and it has the guide, understanding,awareness, kindness and life. Jesus was the embodiment of this love that no one could equal to him. but if we have faith we can.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,416i beg to differ. everything is a salvation issue.
Mark 8:37
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?- You just love to differ refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,585,760and beg. lol
Seriously
Only if one's false believes leads to denying Christ....I agree.
The truth is....none of us have all the truth correctly when it comes to understanding the things of God....He knows that.
There is however a need of understanding to receive salvation through Christ which is very important..and anything that is done in ignorance or when we ask for forgiveness when we learn we were wrong is forgiven us.
We also should not stay in ignorance forever...we must grow and learn what God would have us become in His name.
Being on curezone has been quite the eyeopener as far as learning how many different ideas on what being a Christian can mean to people.
People don't realize that what they believe does make a difference in their lives. One error then cascades into more error and pretty soon doors are opened in one's life for deception to take place. Disappointment, pain, hurt, then enters lives and they fall away, because they don't know what went wrong in their lives to cause such a thing....they sometimes blame God. They don't have the deep roots to stay grounded when the winds and trials come.
Why in the world am I telling you this???? Actually I'm telling anyone who's heart wants to accept Jesus as their Savior.
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This is a reply to # 1,585,774no, i truly believe there is a difference between the truth and some of the things you have said.
i grew up in the churchen way from a child and learned exactly the path they taught. all the same kind of hand-wringing over being human and assuaging guilt and avoiding consequences. this leads to living in some kind of fantasy whereby the character of the people never change, the kinds of things they do on a daily basis all gets swept "under the blood of the lamb". yet, these people believe they will never deny christ. they will march to a gallows or firing squad or guillotine and stand tall in the faith.
i guarantee you, if a person cant leave worldly things behind and and do the little things that jesus said to do on a daily basis, there is no way they will shed their skin for him.
you see, it is immaterial whether one thinks they must earn their salvation or not. a "saved" person is known by their fruits either way. are people so dense they cant understand the lesson of the ten lepers in luke 17? or the rich young ruler and all that wealth he had? or the parable of the talents?
no, they dont even get it when they are told flat out:
luke 13
23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
no wonder the "church" preaches security over responsibility. i am not contrary to the truth. ever.- Re: You just love to differ refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,585,950You are only given snippets of what I believe here. Just like I have a hard time understanding what you believe because there is no one place that explains. I don't think many of us are gifted enough to lay it all out there perfectly for others to understand.
Many have the same problem with the bible. They look for one scripture that explains it all, when it really takes reading and understanding the bible as a whole to get the full picture.
I'm in full agreement that people should not just lay on their backside and take claim to salvation if they are not going to walk with Christ.
If being in Christ does not give a person passion to love God with all their heart and serve others, then something may be off in the relationship. (and you better believe that God is not the problem) The heart must be involved...a relationship that brings a freshness of first love.
A need to be reborn is important or else we have people sitting in pews or elsewhere being worthless servants. As in the story of the workers and talents.
Matthew 25: The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
As we see God entrusts His property to us and by the fruit we produce, He looks to see how invigorated we are by His love. A person less in love with God, really does not care to make the relationship work and does what he wants to do and does not care to make the best of what he is given.
Much like the failure of a marriage. You sure couldn't have much of a marriage without some effort being put into it or the love fades and dies.
Faith without works is dead. Prayer and praise not only glorifies God but lifts us to a higher spiritual level.
I enjoy coming here and worshiping with everyone. Bible study is also good to keep God's inspired Words in front of everyone to help guide and teach those that don't know what to do with their talents.
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This is a reply to # 1,586,070i agree that these conversations are good. but when i ask for understanding, it is from god alone that i accept he answer, no one else. just as with any group of witnesses, there are as many stories to tell. so we all read the same scripture but it means different things to different people. just because an understanding has been accepted, codified and has a long history means nothing. and if the scriptures are any indication, the masses will never have it right. thats my first clue for error - widespread acceptance.
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This is a reply to # 1,586,140How funny how we can both agree and not agreement at the same time.
Your idea of who the masses are....are the same people that I believe are dwindling. The falling away. No longer getting it right.
No longer having widespread acceptance....due to forsaking their first love.
Yes, go to God first. I accept no man's understanding either but I will listen and compare the fruit by what I hear from God.
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This is a reply to # 1,586,147well, christianity is a major religion. it has completely dominated my life in politics, social norms and mores, economics, fashion(i remember women couldnt wear pants or makeup) and last but not least this crusade against muslims.
it is funny how we see things a bit differently. i see christianity, "the established world religion", as part of the world, which the bible says to come out of and not partake of her sins and the consequences thereof.
also, you see the apostacy, the "falling away", as something negative about people losing their faith. i see it as some people finally getting faith and using it and getting out of the crowd of pretenders, not as losing their first love.
looks like i am about to be asked to leave here again. it would be nice to have a forum that discusses all things bible. this forum is a fraud. it should be named protesant fundy christian forum. catholics are shunned and proselytized here same as everyone. they see mormons and jehovahs witness as cults, probably seventh day adventists too. the reason this forum was languishing was because its a joke, and not even a very funny one.
ban me if you will but please leave my final comment. thank you.- The Coming Peace refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,586,574
The reason you and I see it differently is because of your belief that Jesus is not coming back to reign. You think that it is up to mankind to have the answers to fixing all of this mess of war, religion, death, and hatred. Only when Christ returns and satan is bound will people see with their own eyes and hear with their own ears and accept when He shares His Truths with the world.
Now don't misunderstand....I'm not saying that I believe as christians we are to sit on our bum and not do good in the world and not show love to our enemies. I'm talking about the over all picture here. Until "all" people have a change of heart and have the "real" Truth....we will not have peace on earth.
Do you really think "man" has the answer? He does not. He has screwed up everything. You can blame it on religion as being the only cause of problems but man makes religion what it is when they don't look to God as the only authority....only people giving their lives to Jesus and letting what He did on the cross change their hearts and make this world a better place. Thinking you are going to talk people out of their religion is useless. They will just pick up another one and start all over again, as with Infinite potential.
Thinking that Jesus will not return is the false belief that cascades into more false beliefs and why I warned someone that the belief sometimes eventually leads to atheism because of the lost of hope people will feel when they never see our world come together in their lifetime.
Jesus returning is that hope.
(Sorry, I missed this post)- Re: The Coming Peace trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,587,027we agree on mans inability to get it right. thats a proven.
# Proverbs 20:6
Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?
# Luke 18:8
I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
my question is, when the son appears, will he even be recognized?
Luke 24
13And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?- Re: The Coming Peace refreshed
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This is a reply to # 1,587,119"my question is, when the son appears, will he even be recognized?"
Exactly....
If you are not expecting Him will you think He is an alien from outer space? Will we go to war with Him? Will we know the difference?
The bible shares more.- Re: The Coming Peace trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 1,587,123any alien smart enough to travel here from space is smart enough not to let their presence known to us at all. a non-issue for sure.
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