I was simply recommending that she get some labwork done to see if she had thyroid issues. The site I recommended is a good site for people who have been told by doctors that there is nothing wrong with them. She has not been told there is nothing wrong with her. What you suggested is this >>>Send her to http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com <<<, which is fundamentally against the fundamental basics of the great healers (and their protocols) upon which this forum is founded. So I explained clearly what we suggest & post here and assumed you'd respect the forum guidelines after they were clearly explained. I would think that getting labwork done to see if someone is dealing with an autoimmune disease of the thyroid would be a good thing. In explanation: when there is this huge level of chemical pharmaceuticals forcing various chemical actions throughout the body, labwork can't reveal the true nature of what's going on in her body (what is naturally occuring, what is chemically forced by each drug, and the big unidentifiable nightmare...which is, what is happening with the chemically reactions caused by a MIX of the chemicals). I agree there are natural ways of healing without doing meds. I was one of those people who was told for years that because my TSH was normal, my thyroid was fine. Then about 10 years later, the range for normal TSH was changed and "boom" I was hypothyroid. This is just another reason we avoid relying upon allopathic tests & "medicine" here.
I had fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. I am supplementing with iodine, along with dessicated thyroid and I am getting better. This iodine can be obtained from a supplement or from sea vegetables. I happen to see nothing wrong with supplements or even meds like dessicated thyroid, but that's just me. Iolite, on this forum we DO see a serious problem with using "supplements" which are unnatural substances isolated away from their natural chemicals, phytochemicals and co-factors. Here's just part of the reason (if it's of interest to you): Isolated/Standardized Extracts of plants & herbs I also prefer to use herbs whenever possible. I continue to work on my health to rebuild it so that I won't be dependant on the dessicated thyroid. I'm doing that through cleanses, chelation and yes, that involves herbs. I am currently using Dr. Christopher's Eyebright to improve my eyesight, Dr. Christopher's Bone, Flesh and Cartilage for the torquing in my lower spine and I'm using Dr. Christopher's Relax-ease with added lady slipper to help with the nerve pain from sciatica that wakes me up at night. Sadly, if you're using "Dr. Christopher brand herbal products", you're using products made with cheap, toxic, very ineffective herbs (primarily grown in 3rd world countries using high amounts of poisonous chemicals). The BF&C is not even the original BF&C formula that Dr. Christopher formulated (this is all because his children are more interested in 'bottom line profit' and kowtowing to the Powers That Be, that they are in healing). You're likely getting some benefit, but it's nothing in comparison to what you'd be getting if the products were made with quality herbs (and the BF&C formula included the comfrey that it should). Btw, comfrey IS essential in BF&C - it contains a substance called allantoin, which is a cell regenerater. The children's substitution of Slippery Elm means the product is nothing even close to as effective as the original BF&C.
I appreciate your caring & concern for others, and I'm SURE you mean well. And I'm thrilled that you've had some level of positive relief from your symptoms and issues (no matter which protocol or methodology you've chosen). The original poster has a LONG history on CZ and is quite aware there are other forums in which she could have posted to get or find the information you have offered.
Once again, this is a private support forum that runs under these guidelines:
This is a private support forum based soley upon the amalgamated works & protocols of Dr. Schulze and Dr. Christopher (also utilizing the food & juicing and coffee enema protocols of Dr. Gerson). These three great men (and some of their mentors, whose works have basically been buried or lost) have consistently, successfully and safely cured (to my knowledge) all "incurable" diseases & syndromes.
Hence, if you (or anyone else) is familiar enough with these protocols (and/or have utilized them yourself), you are more than welcome to answer questions and provide support here for others...with these protocols.
Iolite, I have dozens of posts to answer and a very limited amount of time to do so. I do not have time to enter into discussion or debate about the protocols utilized on this forum (or to spend time responding to posts from people like yourself who continue to post, explain & proselytize conflicting protocols...particularly after they've been clearly shown the posting guidelines of this forum).
I've responded without anger and with respect. If you choose to respond, I ask you to do the same...and without including anything further regarding protocols or supplements that conflict with the foundational tenets of this forum. Thank you in advance.
Blessings of health -
Unyquity
OK. I am gonna ask some questions for my friend..Greetings Anne - Okay, I'm gonna give you some answers, but they might not be the answers you're expecting (or the ones you think you want to hear). BUT, in my experience helping people get their 'head around it all' so they CAN have the willpower and consistency to 'do what it takes' to heal themselves, the following information and learning is essential.
We can't build anything without a strong foundation...and just like with building a building, if we start at the roof or the middle and work down --trying to put the foundation in as we go -- the building WILL crumble & collapse. But we're not talking a building here, we're talking the life & health of a very real and very important person...who is obviously very sick, in a lot of pain, and quickly headed down the road to a cancer diagnosis.
I have been talking to her bout all the info on here that I have learned ..well I think she is ready to try something natural for a change. That's fantastic - let's be sure to get the foundation built quickly & solidly.
she has fibro,chronic fatigue,diabetes,and is now being tested for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and its got her running scared..
yes she is on drugs for pain(percocet 10's) ,fibro(gabapentin), ppi's(nexium) for acid reflux ,prozac for depression , clonipin for anxiety,metaformin for diabetes.cholesterol pill(tricor)
she has degenerative disc disease(5 buldging discs), deep vein thrombosis, narrow angle glaucoma...
Each of the drugs above (plus all the chemicals in the food & water she eats & drinks daily) has a specific action on the body. These are strong chemical actions that force the body to show or do something that's not natural to the body in any way, shape, or form ---- take away pain (percocet/gabapentin) where the body is experiencing pain; stop acid reflux (nexium) by stopping your stomach from producing stomach acid (which causes your food to not be digested properly, which causes all KINDS of intestinal issues); prozac contains fluoride which is one of the strongest poisons in the world - one of the reasons it makes us feel better is because of it's "numbing to your emotions" effect (it collects in the thyroid and pineal gland...do a search on fluoride & pineal and just see how horrible it is); klonopin/benzos force our GABA receptors to be "chemically electrocuted" to work harder to calm us, and burns them out (plus a zillion other adverse effects); metformin chemically forces the body to do what it can't do, and makes an unnatural drop in blood sugar levels: and the drug (tricor) for cholesterol forces the liver to act unnaturally .
So, let's use our common sense...if one is taking all these drugs (that chemically force every organ and system of the body into actions & responses that are TOTALLY unnatural), and then you go in for tests to try to find out what is wrong with you -- how in the WORLD can they really know what is wrong with your natural body? Your body is NOT natural at all when we chemically force it into unnatural responses & actions.
So the first step in 'foundation building' is to thoroughly research the known side-effects, contraindications and adverse reports of each and every drug that is taken. And remember, although we may know the chemical action and side-effects from Drug A or B...no one knows the forced chemical actions that occur when we take them together.
she is up for something new but keeps asking me ..has anyone been cured of any or all of this???? and how long would it take ...she wants proof before she spends a bunch of money that she hasnt got ...she cant spend a lot of time on the puter due to pain/probs she has .. I understand, I really do...we all would like to have "proof", but because of the fact (which you can find is really true on history sites/books) that the AMA wiped out ALL forms of healing long ago that threatened their "business" and sale of drugs (and the AMA's stated purpose is NOT to heal but to "protect the financial & legal interest of it's members"), we don't have the kind of "proof" we want. They did this in the 1930's - there were all KINDS of legitimate forms of healing back then that didn't use "drugs or surgery" (we had more homeopathy colleges & herbal colleges in this country than any other 'healing' kind!), but they wiped 'em all out. The ONLY branch of healing that survived the attack was the chiropracters (and that's because they had a strong union and enough money to fight). If you go back to before the 1930's, there's all KINDS of proof in the medical records, but you have to search deep to find it.
The one thing she has proof of for sure? She is definitely getting sicker and worse...and all the meds & surgery they've done haven't done anything to actually heal her. The fact is all they can do is keep cutting out and carving up her body and giving her drugs...and if it hasn't worked yet (and it's made her worse), "more of the same" is going to DO the same. It's just logical - you can't cut out parts of the body and take chemical poisons that force the body to do things that are totally UNnatural to the body...and expect to heal or get better. It's just like putting a piece of duct tape over the oil light on the dashboard. Oh yeah, the duct tape will make it so you can't see or notice the oil light...but it doesn't fix the REASON the oil light came on. And if you don't deal with the reason the oil light came on (and just cover it up), then you're in big trouble...just like it sounds like your friend is :(
she has just had her 20th surgery all in her stomach area due to multiple hernias except the last one was due to a fatty tumor the size of a baseball ! go figure..I don't know what to say - 20 surgeries for the same thing...and still having the same thing? Wow, that's a racket, for sure. If we took our car to a mechanic for something and they did the repair, and the same thing happened again...would we go back to same mechanic? (only to give us back our money). But she keeps going back to the same mechanics and they continue to cut her open and carve out parts of her body, but they never fix her. We'd report a mechanic like that to the BBB and they'd be out of business in a month! And if the AMA hadn't wiped out all their competition (because the AMA was going bankrupt back then) and made it so the only way to legally practice medicine was with a licence from the AMA? Then she'd have other doctors & healers to go to that know how to actually HEAL her. But, there's no money to made in healing people...and zillions to be made keeping them sick.
I really wanna be able to tell her that yes she can be healed of all this but I also need proof to show her that this can be done ..I wish there was a way we could just "tell people" (especially our friends & loved ones), but if she's going to take responsibility for her own body and heal herself, then she has to understand it before you can help her much. So building the foundation is the only way that I know of...otherwise she'll likely never have the willpower or the understanding she needs to "do what it takes" (none of us ever were willing to either...UNTIL we understood why we needed to, or why we had to).
I dont like seeing her like this either ..its taking her life away and she is my best friend ever ...Anne, I understand completely, I really do...but this is something where we all have do a LOT of learning, but most importantly UNlearning.
can you help me help her and show me proof of actual healings and not stories of healings cause I think its gonna take more than that (maybe someone here and now)..and yes I have told her the whole there are no incurable diseases just incurable people .. she just needs hope at this point ..Eme's already given you a great testimony...and you'll be able to find quite a few on the net if you do alot of searching (of people that have cured themselves of CFS & Fibromyalgia). And start building that foundation...
-- a full list of ALL side-effects from every drug she's taking...and then go over them all and figger out which organ/system is being effected to cause a symptom (for example, if a drug causes infrequent urination, constipation and dry mouth...well, then it's like it dehydrates the body, that kind of thing).
-- watch all the SYL videos and read through the manual as completely as possible.
-- search this forum and the Dr. Schulze forum and read all the testimonies. Between Rick and I (and his mom), we've cured: PCOS, Peripheral Artery disease, high cholesterol, premature menopause, clinical depression, adult ADD, severe PMS and period issues, adrenal fatigue, I'm 50 and he's 56...and we don not take ONE drug. And his mom totally healed/cured herself of Stage IV terminal liver cancer (all the doctors said she was so bad/far gone that they wouldn't even treat her!) - she beat it around 1978 and lived until 2009!! And we've given up a business it took us 12 years to build, and dedicated ours ENTIRE LIFE to helping others learn and heal. That all has to count for SOMETHING as far as "testimony".
Please give her all our love and understanding - we know it's hard to "believe" in something we're taught NOT to believe. It sounds like that she definitely has reason to believe (and to KNOW) one thing for sure...that nothing they have done so far has actually healed her. The body has amazing abilities to heal itself...she CAN do it! And she's more than welcome to jump in here and become of a part of ALL of our healing pathways & victories!
Healthiest of blessings,
Unyquity