Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flukes 
Charly
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Does DE kill liver flukes? What would you recommend for these? Black-Walnut Hull?
I'm on the 4th day of a spoon of DE a day. I've been told 7 days will do it, but I read 20 days is best. HV, what do you say is best for killing intestional parasites? In case there is anything in the blood is there a herb or two that you like for killing these? Do I recall that you mentioned Pau'de arco or Wormwood ? What doseage? Thanks so much for your help.
Charly
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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DE will work on intestinal parasites, but not parasites in organs of the body.
Before going too far with trying to kill parasites it is a good idea to make sure you have them. Many of the herbs used to kill parasites have thier own toxicity. Wormwood for example is effective against liver flukes, although it is also a neurotoxin. You have to be very careful about using it in high doses or for extended periods of time.
If you are not sure if you have parasites there are some herbs you can take that kill parasites and are still safe. These include raw pumpkin seeds, papaya seeds and elecampane root (also considered excellent for liver flukes). The raw pumpkin seeds you can munch on throughout the day. Papaya seeds or elecampane I recommend a tablespoon three times daily for 30 days.
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,544,208Liver flukes are common to people who live in environments where they come into contact or eat fish that share their environment with fresh water snails. This is common in many tropical countries, because people live and work in areas such as rice paddy fields, or areas that are flooded regularly by monsoonal rains, the people eat the infected fish and then become infected themselves.
In most western countries it is rare to see people who are infested with liver flukes, so Hv is correct in saying that it is a good idea to find out whether you are likely to have them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_liver_fluke
spud- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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This is a reply to # 1,544,221Hi Spud,
Doctors and labs in this country are not dependable when it comes to finding any parasites. I've seen liver flukes when I've done liver flushes. Most peope see them or evidence of them then.
I believe more people then we think have parasites. My sister had a ton of various kinds of parasites or I would not have ever believed it. She was a average American with average eating habits and very clean. She passed them when she was juice fasting so she could see them - I convinced her to save one to prove to the doctor that she had them... she fished one out of the toilet and took it to her doc who said it was a beef Tapeworm - it was 5 1/2 feet long. She said I wouldn't believe what all came out of her and the beef tape that I saw was nothing compared to what had already passed. It made me a believer.
I've heard people sey they've sent stool sameples with parasites in them to the lab - and the test came back negative. Sorry, I don't trust doctors or labs at all when it comes to parasites and would not waste my money.
Charly
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,544,408Hi Charly, I worked as a pathologist for the coroners department for 6 years, and in that time only saw 1 person that even had liver flukes, let alone an infestation. This guy worked and lived on a cattle station in the tropical north of the state, and ate a great deal of fish caught in the local rivers.
Intestinal parasites are a bit more common, and I'm not surprised your sister had a tape worm. Intestinal parasites can come from a variety of places, but they generally don't become an infestation, unless the person has a very poor immune system, or continually reinfects themselves.
What I have seen of the photos posted on the Liver Flush Forum , are not flukes, and I doubt that they even come from the liver, but are just undigested food from the bowel. (I know what a liver fluke looks like).
It certainly wont hurt to give your intestines a scrub with the DE, or keep your liver healthy with herbs and a good diet.
I'm not a believer in the Conspiracy theory surrounding doctors and the diagnosing of parasites, although, like many diagnostic tests, the tests are not always acurate.
I do believe however, that many people on CZ, that self diagnose, get it wrong also. Doing endless enemas, colonics and flushes, will do more damage to the bowel than a few worms will.
Rather than using the seek and destroy method to kill any parasites, its better to support your body nutritionally, and keep yourself healthy, the parasites will not want to live in a healthy body.
spud- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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This is a reply to # 1,544,519Thanks Spud - that is reassuring - I hope you are right! I do believe that making an unfavorable envirement and forcusing on good overall health is best. (I do this, much more than anyone I personally know) I just know how easy it is to catch parasites, and don't want to have them!
I've read that people that perform colonics see tons of intestional parasites... My sister had many tapeworms, not just one, and also several other varieties.
Does a fluke look like a garden slug?- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,544,643What was your sisters diet like? She must have been terribly emaciated if she had so many Tapeworms and other parasites. Severe infestations of Tapeworms can cause malnutrition, often extreme hair loss, skin infections, and many other nasty symptoms.
Pin worms and hook worms are the most common parasite in humans, both are easily dispatched with DE. As I said before, infestations of other parasites are unlikely, particularly if you eat a good diet, and avoid foods that are likely to be infected with parasites.
Many doctors do understand about parasites, as do biologists. They study and work with the interaction between parasites and humans, particularly in those countries that have a high incidence on parasite infestations, due to poor diet and living conditions. The reason why a lot of 'western doctors' do not often recognise the symptoms of parasite infestation, is because they so rarely see cases of it, not because it is hard to diagnose, but because people don't often have infestations of parasites.
IMHO, particularly here on CZ, there is a lot of scare tactics going on in regards to things such as candida, (HV has some excellent posts on this subject), parasites etc. Just because the methods used to deal with various parasites etc, are natural, doesn't mean that the constant or overuse of them is harmless. Colonics, flushes, overdosing on herbs, is as dangerous as using pharmacuticals, and as unnecessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascioliasis#Americas
spud- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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This is a reply to # 1,544,797The scary part of my sister's infestation is that she had what most people think is a healthy Diet and she looked perfectly fine and normal. She was only about 10 lbs. overweight. I feel if she could have them so bad anybody could have them. She changed to a super good diet and walks every day. She is very health-conscious these days.
She went swimming years before in a pond that she later discovered was contaminated.
Years later she developed a cyst on her ovary that grew huge...the doctor was sure she had cancer... but she had gone to a health clinic and learned how to get rid of cancer (naturally) so when she had her tumor removed she had no cancer. She was not sick other than this.
She was also around dogs but she never let them lick her or eat off her dishes. She went on many fad diets like the grapefruit diet. We have racked our brains on how she might have gotten them so bad!
We are both in our 60's and people can't believe it - we both look years younger. It's been about 7 years since we both became extremely health conscious.
You forgot to answer my question about liver flukes... don't they look like garden slugs?- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,544,924Hi charly, they look somewhat like small garden slugs, if you have a look at the link I put in the last post it will show you a picture, also you can google for pictures of flukes :)
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... lisa220
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This is a reply to # 1,544,408it is true about labs coming back with negative parasites results. i worked at facility, and one of my patients had a 6 inch brownish worm come out of his bladder and into his foley catheter. i collected it and sent it to the lab, but the results came back negative. all of the staff was astonished because we all know it was a parasite. at any rate, i have found wonderful results with diatomaceous earth, and now have been hearing about mms or Black-Walnut hull. does anyone have any recomendations?
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... #93536
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This is a reply to # 1,544,208What do you think of getting rid of liver flukes in terms of doing liver flushes.Are they effective in that sense
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,544,426
What do you think of getting rid of liver flukes in terms of doing liver flushes.Are they effective in that sense
I don't see where they would help here either. In fact I think the term "liver flush" is rather misleading anyway. The oil causes contractions of the gallbladder, which is not the liver or really a part of it.
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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This is a reply to # 1,544,599Hv - I totally respect you and your advise. I know how you feel about liver flushes, and I believe using bitters cleans the liver.
But I have wondered how to explain my sister's experience and the many different kinds of stones I myself have passed. If it was a reaction to the oil wouldn't they have all looked the same?, how come they looked different in the same flush? And looked very different in different flushes? And I saw stones of many types in the same flush? I collected them in a colander used for that alone so I really saw what came out. And the results were favorable... meaning my sister got rid of her Gallstones and my BMs turned from light tan to medium brown. What caused this?
Prevented Operation by doing Liver Flushes at Liver Flush Support Forum
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=182855
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,544,940
Hv - I totally respect you and your advise. I know how you feel about liver flushes, and I believe using bitters cleans the liver.
But I have wondered how to explain my sister's experience and the many different kinds of stones I myself have passed. If it was a reaction to the oil wouldn't they have all looked the same?, how come they looked different in the same flush? And looked very different in different flushes? And I saw stones of many types in the same flush? I collected them in a colander used for that alone so I really saw what came out. And the results were favorable... meaning my sister got rid of her gallstones and my BMs turned from light tan to medium brown. What caused this?The first set of questions could be applied to if they were real gallstones as well. If they were real gallstones then why would they have been different colors when nearly all true gallstones are formed from precipitated cholesterol? The fact they are different colors lends more evidence that they are not really gallstones. Part of the answer is that these "flushes" produce these pseudo stones through two different mechanisms. One is through the reaction between the olive oil and the lemon juice or other citric acid sources. The second method is through the reaction of the sterols in the olive oil with the cholesterol in the intestines from food sources and bile. This partially explains the different looking pseudo stones produced by the "flushes". Also keep in mind that there are a number of impurities in the intestines from our diets that can get trapped in these pseudo stones also creating different colors. You are not going to have this in the gallbladder, again showing they are not coming from the gallbladder.
One of the strongest pieces of evidence though that these pseudo stones are formed in the intestines is the size of some of these pseudo stones. If you look at the photos that some people post some of these pseudo stones are the size of a quarter or larger. The problem with this is that it is IMPOSSIBLE for something that large to pass through the bile ducts. Even with the magnesium to dilate the bile ducts the bile ducts can only dilate 2 to 3 millimeters. A quarter is about 25 millimeters across. As we can see it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a stone this big to pass regardless of what you use.
Why the stool was changing from light tan to dark brown? Simple, the oil gets the bile moving instead of remaining stagnant. This does not mean that real stones are present or being passed. for the same reason the ingestion of small amount of oil with meals can help prevent gallstone formation. Ingesting large amounts of oil increase the risk of lodging a stone in the bile ducts if real stones are present, which requires emergency surgery.
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... #93536
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This is a reply to # 1,545,054So this means that there are some advantages of these Liver Flushes though not in terms of Gall stones or liver but in terms of intestinal cleansing and bile flow?
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,545,078
So this means that there are some advantages of these liver flushes though not in terms of Gall stones or liver but in terms of intestinal cleansing and bile flow?
I emphasized "small" amounts of oil in my post. Not the large amounts used to contract the gallbladder. Again strongly contracting the gallbladder increases the risk of lodging a stone in to the bile ducts, which will require emergency surgery. In fact I think it is highly foolish to attempt "liver flushing". The risk of lodging a stone is too high, and the only think that may happen is small gravel may be passed. But helping to pass gravel and prevent its formation can be done safely with the ingestion of small amounts of oil with meals as I mentioned.
Again, small amounts of oil with meals is good since it helps to stimulate bile release so it will not become stagnant.
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... #93536
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Charly
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... spudlydoo
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- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Grateful girl
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This is a reply to # 1,543,986Google Dr. Axe article on DE for parasites. That will make it very clear. Good luck. Blessings.
- Re: Diatomaceous Earth and Liver flu... Hveragerthi
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