- EMSL Analytical, one of the leaders in environmental laboratory testing, tested colloidal silver on the methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, bacteria. The colloidal silver was tested at 20 ppm and 75 ppm in a 1% and 10% solution. By 24 hours, all solutions had reduced the MRSA to below the level of detection.
- Colloidal silver is growing in popularity as an alternative remedy for many health issues. The quality of the colloidal silver is an important factor in its effectiveness. Colloidal silver has been used for over 100 years as an antibacterial and is used allopathically in hospitals for burns. Silver ions, however, are not colloidal silver. An ion is a silver atom that is missing one electron, giving it a positive charge. These ions need water to stay in solution. When ingested, silver ions combine with chlorine to form silver chloride in the body. The silver chloride is then filtered through the kidneys and eliminated. Very little silver stays in the body. Colloidal silver uses nanoparticles of silver that will enter the bloodstream and, in theory, kill pathogens, according to Francis Kay of the Colloidal Science Laboratory.
- Argyria is a condition that happens when a person who is in contact with or ingests silver salts (for example, silver chloride) for a prolonged period. According to WebMD, there is some suggestion that a person's susceptibility to argyria is genetic. Silver workers, people who make artificial pearls and people who ingest large quantities of colloidal silver can get argyria. Argyria turns the skin a bluish-gray color and is irreversible. Highly concentrated ionic silver may cause argyria in a solution of over 100 ppm.
- There is much controversy about colloidal silver and much misleading and confusing information. Ionic silver is clear in color and is produced through electrolysis. It is not colloidal silver. There is some controversy about its effectiveness, and whether it can actually stay active In the body. Francis Kay of the Colloidal Science Laboratory has questioned if enough ionic silver enters the bloodstream to be effective in killing pathogens. Mild silver protein is silver particles suspended in a polymer. The polymer is usually gelatin or casein, which are both proteins. There is some question about the safety of these suspensions, because bacteria can live in the protein chains. Nanoparticle colloidal silver is colloidal silver suspended in water. It is an amber color due to the particles in suspension.
- MY question is will nano particles of silver chloride have an antibiotic effect while passing through the body (urine) even if it's not in the blood?
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I have not looked in to Beck's work in probably 15 years if this is the same Robert (Bob) Beck. I have never been a fan of his. Some of the stuff I read back then really made me mad. An article on him was stating that he was calling Rife a quack while Beck was in essence doing a knock off of Rife. Rife's primary frequency was 666hz, while Beck was using .666hz.
And as I pointed out before the 9 volt "colloidal silver generators" do not have enough power to form a true colloid. This is why upon standing a few hours there is a silver mud on the bottom of the container as the non-colloidal particles settle out.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,541,774But, it must work. It sounds like Beck ripped off Rife, (sorta like Walmart) and gave it to us at a better price.
And as I said before, the CS I made from four 9 volt batteries a few years ago is still saturated in the water making it a purple gray, none of it on the bottom.
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And as I said before, the CS I made from four 9 volt batteries a few years ago is still saturated in the water making it a purple gray, none of it on the bottom.
http://tuberose.com/Colloidal_Silver.html
Constant Voltage vs. Constant Current GeneratorsConstant voltage generators operate as follows.
When an electrical source of voltage that is fixed in value such as 27 or 36 volts (the voltage supplied by 3 or 4 - 9 volt batteries in series connection) is used to generate colloidal silver, the voltage is connected to the silver electrodes which are in the water. A small amount of current then begins to flow. At this point the current is generally about one quarter of one milliampere (a milliampere is a measure of current flow). This allows some of the silver ions to be released from one electrode while hydrogen gas is formed and released from the other electrode. As the silver is released into the water, the conductivity of the water increases; allowing more current to flow. This in turn allows more silver ions to be sintered off the electrode. But what happens very quickly is this:
The increased current flow allows the metal to be deposited into the water at a faster and faster rate as the conductivity of the water is increased by more silver being released. This is a vicious cycle because in a very few minutes the current passes the point where small colloidal particles are generated. Particle size is determined by many factors; one of them being current flow or more properly current density. Once the flow exceeds this critical point, you must stop the process or risk producing large particles. These particles are NOT colloidal. They will sink to the bottom of the liquid and will generally not stay in suspension. Constant voltage generators cannot be left on for long without producing large particles.
If you ingest larger particles or silver salts in liquid such as silver nitrate you take the chance of acquiring a condition known as argyria. On the other hand, colloidal silver particles are so small they do not cause this condition. They are continually being excreted in your bodily waste. There has never been a case in which argyria has been attributed to ingestion of colloidal silver.
Constant Current Generators work as follows:
The voltage source may be the same or higher as constant voltage generators at the beginning of the operation but the similarity between constant voltage and constant current generators diverges rapidly. As the current flow begins to increase with increased water conductivity, the "constant current" regulator begins to reduce the voltage in order to keep the current at the desired amount of flow. With the voltage being reduced in order to keep the current constant, the silver particle size remains uniform. As the water becomes very conductive, the voltage may be reduced to as little as 5 or 6 volts to maintain the desired current flow. With this type circuit, one may leave the generator connected to the electrodes and not worry that "runaway" will occur. You may leave the generator on until the strength of silver in parts per million is reached and be assured the particle sizes are uniform and colloidal. This is the secret of repeatable production of colloidal silver.
Constant current equals constant size particles. Any concentrations higher than 50 ppm require the additions of stabilizers in order to prevent fallout. However, colloidal silver made over 15 PPM will usually agglomerate so it is recommended that you do not make it over that strength. An automatic generator with a stirring motor can make up to 20 PPM without agglomeration.
If the particles are as small as can be made and also colloidal, the water will be clear and will also show the Tyndall effect. If they are larger, the water color will shift toward yellow because of agglomeration. Still larger particles appear red; then green and the blue ones are the largest. The proper color for colloidal silver water is clear. If it is clear and has a weak Tyndall effect, the particle size is as small as can be made. That is the best way to know you have colloidal silver water. Make it yourself and then you will know and see what we mean! The proof is in the clear color and the Tyndall effect. Of course you can also test it using a meter to determine the total PPM.
With an automatic generator, you just set the dial to the PPM (parts per million) desired and wait until the unit shuts off and you will have the best colloidal silver that can possibly be made. It will always be crystal clear and have a weak Tyndall effect.
With a constant current generator, you can leave the unit on as long as you want (within limits) and the PPM of the silver continues to increase without any increase in silver particle size. You can produce about 3.5 PPM per hour in a 1 pint (16 ounce) vessel. Double the time and you double the strength, etc. If you produce colloidal silver under about 10-12 PPM, it will be clear because the particle size is as small as can be produced and reflects no color. Over 12-15 PPM the CS will usually become pale yellow colored over a 24 hour period. The reason for this time lag in color change is the particles are becoming more evenly dispersed in the solution and at the same time some of them are agglomerating. There would be less agglomeration if the water had been stirred during production. They rearrange themselves to maintain the same distance from each other by virtue of their electrical charge. Remember, "likes" repel each other. Once the particles are completely and evenly dispersed, the color will be seen. These particles reflect yellow light while clear colloidal silver will not reflect light because the particles are so small. The yellow color comes from the fact that higher PPM colloidal silver allows some of the particles to agglomerate together to form a slightly larger particle, allowing yellow light to be reflected while absorbing all other colors. Agglomeration means some of the silver atoms are starting to share electron rings.
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Your article is from someone selling silver generators. Facts are relative.
www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Colloidal_silver
EncyclopediaColloidal silver is a liquid suspension of microscopic particles of silver. A colloid is technically defined as particles which remain suspended without forming an ionic, or dissolved solution. The broader commercial definition of "colloidal silver" includes products that contain various concentrations of ionic silver, silver colloids, ionic silver compounds or bound proteins in purified water. Colloidal silver with concentrations of 30 parts per million (ppm) or less are typically manufactured using anelectrolysis process, whereas colloidal silver with higher concentrations of 50 ppm or more are usually silver compounds that have been bound with a protein.
Colloidal silver is currently marketed for internal and external use as an alternative medical remedy though there is no scientific evidence to support its effectiveness in vivo. Most in vitro studies demonstrate an anti-bacterial effect of electrically generated silver ions, although a study of a colloidal silver solution marketed on the Internet showed no such antimicrobial activity. Excessive ingestion of colloidal silver can result in argyria, a condition in which the skin irreversibly turns blue or grey.
Historical applications
Silver has had some medicinal uses going back for centuries. In the early 1900s, silver gained regulatory approval as an antimicrobial agent. However, the use of silver diminished with the introduction of antibiotics in the early 1940s. A few prescription drugs containing silver are still available. Prior to 1938, colloidal silver was used as a germicide and disinfectant. Physicians used it as an eyedrop for ophthalmic problems, for various infections, and sometimes internally for diseases such as tropical sprue, epilepsy, gonorrhea, and the common cold.
Current applications
From approximately 1990, especially with the emerging problem of antibiotic resistance, there has been a resurgence of the promotion of colloidal silver as an alternative medicine treatment, marketed with claims that it can prevent or treat numerous diseases. In vitro evidence of an antimicrobial effect of colloidal silver is mixed; one study has found it to lack any antibacterial effect, while others have reported colloidal solutions of 5-30ppm as being effective against staphylococci and E.coli There have been no clinical trials showing that any preparation of colloidal silver is effective in vivo.
In research with E.coli using an aqueous solution with a silver ion concentration of 900 ppb (.9 ppm) electrolytically prepared by applying a current of 12.5 mA for 28 s between two silver plate electrodes in water, it was shown that one of the major bactericidal actions of the silver ion is caused by its interaction with the ribosome and subsequent suppression in the expression of enzymes and proteins essential to ATP production.
Colloidal silver products are legally available at health food stores in the United States and Australia and are marketed over the Internet as a dietary supplement. It is illegal in the U.S. and Australia for marketers to make claims of medical effectiveness for colloidal silver, but some websites still list its use for the prevention of colds and flu, and the treatment of more serious conditions such as diabetes, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, HIV/AIDS, and tuberculosis, among other diseases. There is no medical evidence that colloidal silver is effective for any of these claimed indications. Silver is not an essential mineral in humans; there is no dietary requirement for silver, and no such thing as a silver "deficiency".
Currently, there are no evidence-based medical uses for ingested colloidal silver. There are no clinical studies in humans demonstrating effectiveness, and a few reports of toxicity. The U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine has issued an advisory indicating that the marketing claims made about colloidal silver are scientifically unsupported, and that the silver content of marketed supplements varies widely and can pose risks to the consumer.- Re: hmm he may be a jerk. Hveragerthi
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Your article is from someone selling silver generators. Facts are relative.
Yes, they are selling generators, but the statement is true and has been known for a long time. That is why I looked up the colors for different particle sizes since it has been so long I could not remember the colors to the corresponding particle size.
What you highlighted has also been known for a long time, but this has nothing to do with particle size. And as your link points out the evidence of effectiveness is lacking. Keep in mind that what happens in a petri dish is not the same as in the human body. Questions remain such as can the silver maintain its effectiveness and reach infections through the body. Or since it can get trapped in normal cells does it stay in the first tissues it comes in to contact with? Does the silver react with stomach acid forming in to the larger molecule silver chloride? And if it does how does this affect activity and cell trapping? What are its effects on beneficial bacteria such as Lactobacillus acidophilus? These are just a few of the quesitons I would like to see answered before I am sold on it.
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Nanoparticle colloidal silver is colloidal silver suspended in water. It is an amber color due to the particles in suspension.
So we can conclude that because your solution is gray that the particles are not in suspension?
All colloidal silvers have particles in suspension. The different colors are not from the suspension but rather the particle size.
As far as studies go these appear to be conflicting as well:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15114827?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSyst...
J Wound Care. 2004 Apr;13(4):154-5.
Colloidal silver as an antimicrobial agent: fact or fiction?
van Hasselt P, Gashe BA, Ahmad J.
Ear Clinic, Bamalete Lutheran Hospital, Ramotswa, Botswana. pvhasselt@planet.nl
OBJECTIVE: Colloidal silver preparations are marketed on the internet as omnipotent antimicrobial agents, but scientific support for these claims is lacking. This study reports the results of in vitro tests of colloidal silver's antimicrobial activity against several pathogenic or non-pathogenic microorganisms. METHOD: Three samples of colloidal silver were tested: one available commercially on the internet (silver concentration of 22 ppm) and two samples (concentrations of 403 and 413 ppm) which were prepared in our laboratory using standard chemical methods. RESULTS: In an agar-well diffusion assay none of the three colloidal silver solutions had any effect on the growth of the test organisms. All tested bacterial strains were sensitive to ciprofloxacin. Colloidal silver 22 ppm showed no bactericidal activity in phenol coefficient tests. CONCLUSION: As the tested colloidal silver solutions did not show any antimicrobial effect in vitro on the microorganisms, claims of colloidal silver's antimicrobial potency are misleading and there is no place for it as an antiseptic.
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Can't silver (Ag) be an antimicrobial even if it's rubbed on your skin, as they do in an emulsion for burns?
CS reminds me of homeopathy (is that why you don't like it?)
Not healing in vitro means nothing to me. Do herbs heal in vitro?
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Can't silver (Ag) be an antimicrobial even if it's rubbed on your skin, as they do in an emulsion for burns?
This is Silverdene, which is not pure silver. It is silver sulfadiazine. And yes, at a high enough concentration the silver does show antibiotic properties. But again this is in a petri dish so it has a direct contact at a high concentration. This is not the same as in the body. Putting salt directly on bacteria would also kill a lot of bacteria, yet we eat salt and still get bacterial infections. This is why in vitro (outside the body) studies are not of much use.
CS reminds me of homeopathy (is that why you don't like it?)
I don't see any similarities at all between CS and homeopathy. Homeopathy works through resonant energy, while silver is a chemical reaction.
As I said before I think it is over priced and over hyped. What few studies do exist are contradictory and only discuss the actions on bacteria. Not on viruses, fungi and molds as the sellers claim. And as I also pointed out in my last post there are too many unanswered questions. For example, what is the effect of stomach acid on the silver? If the silver is just going to form silver chloride then particle size to begin with should not matter as it is still going to form a larger particle that is more apt to get caught in the tissues. We know a whole lot more about the safety, actions and effectiveness of herbs, which is why I prefer them over CS and even pharmaceutical drugs that we also know very little about. If they can do the studies to answer my previous questions someday then I may be accepting of the use of CS internally. Right now in my opinion taking CS internally is akin to going out in the forest and picking a plant we are unfamiliar with at random to treat a disease. We really don't know anything about the safety, actions or effectiveness of the unknown plant so we would be ingesting it on faith. Therefore if I use CS it will be externally until more is learned about it.
Not healing in vitro means nothing to me. Do herbs heal in vitro?
In vitro is outside a living organism like test tube or petri dish studies. In vivo is inside the body.
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This is a reply to # 1,541,774strange how they use 666 as that is the number of the beast (although i have also heard it was 999)
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strange how they use 666 as that is the number of the beast (although i have also heard it was 999) I heard various hypotheses on this and most of them state that the "mark of the beast" is not 666. Never heard the 999 hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast The Number of the Beast is a concept from the Book of Revelation of the New Testament of the Christian Bible , relating to the figure of " The Beast ". The number is 666 in most manuscripts of the New Testament ...
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This is a reply to # 1,541,774I have made gallons of Colloidal Silver this way. I use SOTA instruments model and I even have a jar of this stuff I made 4 years ago still in perfect suspension. It is still a light golden color with no trace of silver proteins dropping out of the solution.
One thing of note is that when i make it, I have the water on a slow boil as this produces a much better batch. A researcher with a B of Sc told me about this method. Works like a charm.
I know a person who was diagnosed with the Swine flu and took it out in two days with Colloidal Silver made this way along with the blood electrification unit.- Re: Actually.. Hveragerthi
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It is still a light golden color with no trace of silver proteins dropping out of the solution.
There should be no protein with the silver. Some companies use a protein (gelatin) stabilizer to keep the larger particles from settling out, but this is not recommended. There is a concern that the protein can be carried in to the blood by the silver and act as an antigen setting off immune responses.
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This is a reply to # 1,541,774>>An article on him was stating that he was calling Rife a quack while Beck was in essence doing a knock off of Rife. Rife's primary frequency was 666hz, while Beck was using .666hz.
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>>An article on him was stating that he was calling Rife a quack while Beck was in essence doing a knock off of Rife. Rife's primary frequency was 666hz, while Beck was using .666hz.
Are you sure you're not confusing Bob Beck with Robert Becker?I have never heard the name Robert Becker. As I pointed out before it may be a different Robert (Bob) Beck. That would seem awful odd though having two Dr. Becks both producing small battery powered devices that "electrify" the blood.
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This is a reply to # 1,541,904Bob Beck (Beck Protocol):
http://www.bobbeck.com/
http://www.cancertutor.org/Cancer02/BobBeck.html
Robert Becker:
http://www.silvermedicine.org/robertobecker.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Electric
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It definitely was not Becker. This device had absolutely nothing to do with silver that I recall. The device used radiofrequency just like Rife to cure disease. The only difference was the decimal point on the frequency was moved over three places.
From your link on Becker:
He began by examining why normal bones heal, and then explored the reasons why bones fail to heal properly. In the process he observed several interesting properties of bones and bone growth, proposing that bones are semiconductors and piezoelectric in nature. These tie into the healing process by electrically stimulating bone marrow cells to differentiate into a form of adult stem cells which regrew the bone from within by regeneration. By applying external electrical stimulation in the proper form, he was able to induce bone healing in patients whose bones had failed to heal together.
Bone is piezoelelectric due to the silica molecules in it. This is the whole reason bone can mineralize. When we exercise this puts strain on the collagen matrix of the bone, which contains most of the silica. The compression of the silica generates an electrical current (piezoelectric effect) that electrodeposits the minerals in to the matrix. This is one of the reasons silica is more important than any other mineral for bone. Also why stress or electrical stimulation is needed to develop bone.
And from the Beck site:
Two medical doctors, Dr. Kaali and Dr. Lyman, discovered, in 1990, that a small electric current could disable microbes from being able to multiply, thus rendering them harmless. It was, in fact, the greatest medical discovery in the history of medicine because virtually all diseases are caused by, or enhanced by, a microbe. Their discovery was a cure for almost every disease known to mankind.
This was not a new discovery. I wrote about this in my book on AIDS 20 years ago and I knew about this before then. As little as 1 volt of electricity will kill a virus. In fact the original electrical therapy goes way back to ancient Greek and Roman days where they use shocks from electric eels and electric rays to cure disease. They mearly stumbled back on to what has been known for centuries.
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This is a reply to # 1,541,774I've had a lot of success with the one I have. I've used it almost daily for the last eight years. I think mine came from a company in Canada called Sotta or something like that.
I've used it to kill the bacteria causing arthritis, heal wounds, help with knee problems I had and best of all to create Colloidal Silver . I've never had the "mud" that the above person says they had.
When making Colloidal Silver make sure to remove the silver and wipe off during the process. And of course use 4-9 silver and not jewelery silver.
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