Diet Coke 
sarahsmith
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Hello,
I am still uncertain as the difference between fasting and starvation mode.
I heard some people say that any flavour on a fast can snap you out of fasting mode and put you into starvation mode but am a little skeptical.
For example, lets say a person require 2000 calories a day. They go on a Water Fast and dont eat anything for 6 days and are in ketosis and get their 2000 calories from fat.
Then they drink a diet coke which has 4 calories and a sweet taste.
This would not bring a person out of ketosis and they would continue getting their 1996 calories from fat.
Does the digestive system really wake up from any flavour?
On my last fast i drank a diet coke on day 9 and experienced no difference to my weight loss and no hunger.
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This is a reply to # 1,429,484Hello sarahsmith,
there is a fundamental difference between fasting and starving..........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch6.htm
If you consume anything other than water on a fast then you will be on a "malnourishing-diet" or what some people refer to as "starvation mode".
On water only, the body will conserve its nutrient supplies where deficiency-diseases do not develop, such as scurvy in the absence of Vitamin C or Ascorbate for example; but if you consume diet coke then the body believes it is in "eating mode" and where deficiency diseases will then be allowed to develop..................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch18.htm
and so you are basically on a malnourished diet, and all of the health problems associated with suffering from malnutrition.
The ingredients in Diet Coke (as formulated in the United States), listed in order of greatest to least amount.....
Carbonated water
Caramel color
Aspartame
Phosphoric acid
Potassium benzoate (to protect taste)
Natural flavors
citric acid
Caffeine
The sweetener Aspartame is known to be carcinogenic.
Caffeine is a stimulant which also has adverse health effects.
Phosphoric acid is linked to lowered bone density.
Cola consumption has also been linked to chronic kidney disease and the formation of kidney stones through medical research.
This is not really about "counting the calories".
Drinking diet coke or any other beverage will bring the body out of full ketosis into partial ketosis as well, and where any flavors within a restricted diet of beverages or foods, will make the body go into starvation or a malnourished state.
Regards
Chrisb1.
- Re: Diet Coke JeanValjean
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,429,514Chris; based on your response I can assume that people on the "master cleanse" would be considered in starvation mode? Thanks.
- Re: Diet Coke hopinso
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This is a reply to # 1,429,565The Master Cleanse is not a true fast. However, I do not consider it going into starvation mode either. The Maple syrup provides plenty of glucose when the cleanse is done correctly. Lemon juice provides magnesium, potassium and sodium. Simple sugars are needed to allow electrolyte minerals to be properly absorbed by the body. Properly done The Master Cleanse can be a valuable tool, especially for those who cannot or are not ready to attempt water fasting. Still, remember, technically it is a cleanse and not a true fast. Just as with juice fasting, there are many benefits including rapid weight loss associated with nutritive "fats". However pure Water Fasting is best for healing and deep cleansing.
- Re: Diet Coke JeanValjean
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This is a reply to # 1,429,787Thanks for your reply hopinso. I'm thinking about trying The Master Cleanse (not the first time) but didn't want to if chris and others didn't think it is safe.
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JeanValjean,
I agree with hopinso in reply to your query.
As is said, The Master Cleanse is just that (a cleanse).
The Master Cleanse would create deficiencies if too prolonged as would a mono-juice diet, so malnourishment would eventually be the end result, or what some refer to as "starvation mode".
Regards
Chrisb1.- Re: Diet Coke JeanValjean 15 y 3,026
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Re: RE:Diet Coke.(Difference between... Willowley
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This is a reply to # 1,429,514This video is about Coke not Diet Coke but I'm sure they have pretty much the same things in them. This was an eye opener for me. And to think that so many people don't even drink water at all but they load up on all kinds of soft drinks. Its scary what they do to our bodies.
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This is a reply to # 1,429,843Hi Willow,
The video you posted was third party news. I know how easy it is to fall for that. I could easily post an article that would make you believe a lie. People get so excited when they discover an untruth that they will believe the story that uncovers it. Example. I once interviewed a used car dealer in a previous life. Told me he had a video surveillance system in his showroom (they were rare in those days). He used to watch people going into the showroom, then would listen to the conversation, say, between wife and husband.
He was very clever. He would hear the wife's objections, eg "there is a scratch on the hood, and it's dirty inside". Then he would go into the showroom after they had moved on from the car r they were most interested in and say "can I help you?" The guy would say "yes, we are interested in this car, can we drive it?" The salesman would then say "Oh that one. We only got it in today, but there are a few problems. We haven't cleaned the interior, and there is a scratch on the hood we have to touch up". He may also point out another tiny fault that they may have missed. By now the wife had 100% trust in the salesman, and the car was certainly sold, despite the fact the engine may have been useless. It's called a confidence trick. Or, you may say, the devil mixes lies with the truth.
I checked out snopes, here's what I found:
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp
It's too complex to cut and paste, but I think some things are true, some things are not.
My friend did the same when he had a chain email about things you didn't know you could do with a mobile phone. Some were true, eg you can get the IMEI number (a unique serial number) by keying *#06#, but it also said you could transmit a car remote alarm signal through the phone. The last bit is nonsense, but the first bit is true.
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Hi Steve,
First off let me say I posted that video in good faith, I know you know that Steve but for the benefit of others. Second let me say that I don't think Snopes.com always gets it right as a matter of fact I know they've missed it on some things I've checked on. There have been several but I only remember one because its a subject that is on my mind at all times and they said it was false but its true.
I don't in fact know if everything on that video is true or not but I won't take Snopes word for it, but thats up to each individual to decide. I can say that several months ago when I first saw this video I did go buy a couple of cans of Coke. I put one in my commode and it did exactly what the video said it would do, sparkling clean without using a toilet brush at all, just flushed it. I poured part of the other can over some pennies that had turned crusty and green, let them soak for less than 5 or 6 hours and low and behold when I rinsed them off they were shiny and looked like they just came from the Mint. Now what got me about the penny experiment is that I had already soaked them in a toxic cleaning solution that I bought at the store and they wouldn't come clean. I think it says a lot that the Coke cleaned the pennies when a toxic cleaning solution didn't.
So I guess to sum it up I appreciate your investigative skills, wish I had them LOL, but in this case I have to disagree with at least part of what Snopes quoted here, "Besides, the gastric acid in your stomach is much stronger than any of the acids in Coca-Cola, so the Cola-Cola is harmless." Now surely anybody who reads this statement knows that "Coke is not harmless" isn't a true statement. I can't say if the gastric acid in my stomach is much stronger than the acids in Coke but I can say that if Coke shines up pennies that toxic materials can't then I sure don't want it in my stomach.
I used to drink Diet Coke several years ago, my dentist asked me not IF I drank Coke, but how many a day I drank. The reason is she said the enamel on my teeth was wearing and it was consistent with what Coke products do to the enamel on teeth. She told me to stop drinking them all together.
Anyway, all that being said I can't prove if everything in that video is true or not but I'd lean toward believing it has more truth in it than not from my own experiments. I do know a couple of cops so I'll ask them about Coke removing blood stains, if they laugh at me I won't care because their friends LOL. BTW I don't believe they all carry it in their cars just in case they need it to remove blood off the road. I'll let you know what they say.
Willow
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This is a reply to # 1,430,014Hi Willow,
I recall an experiment done several years ago where an extracted tooth was placed into a glass of cola: it dissolved within 48 hours.
Things go better with coke!!
Like dissolving teeth for example!!!
Chrisb1.- Re: oops! Willowley
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Hi Chris,
LOL!!!! I'll take your word for that as I'll not be pulling any teeth to do that experiment!
Next time a deer gets hit on my road I'll be buying a six pack of Coke and pouring it on the blood though and I'm not kidding. Living on a mountain with not very many homes pretty much gives the deer the courage to roam free and sometimes they aren't so lucky
when crossing the road to come to my house to get all that corn and black oil sunflower seeds I feed them.Cheers (holding up a glass of Coke) NOT!!!!
Willow
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I guess the only way to find the truth would be to do all the tests yourself, but I think some are false, such as the police carrying coke. Maybe one or two cops did that. The original book those tips appeared in would also be interesting to read, because then you could compare the two and see the direction that the author of the later article was pulling you.
I know it cleans copper coins. You can try that one yourself. But I think vinegar does as well, it's an acid.
But all things aside, I believe coke is extremely bad for you. And I can't do any of the experiments because I have no coke in the house.
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"Things go better with coke!! Like dissolving teeth for example!!!"
Chris, that was really funny!- Re: oops! mouseclick
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This is a reply to # 1,430,129I guess if it kills them they can always "come alive with pepsi"
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- Re: Diet Coke JeanValjean
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- Re: Diet Coke (re: artificial sweete... hopinso
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This is a reply to # 1,429,484No artificial sweeteners should ever be consumed during a fast. In fact, artificially sweetened foods are one of the worst things you can do when trying to lose weight.
When the mouth senses a sweet taste it begins to secrete enzymes to break down the simple carbohydrates into glucose, the basic fuel for the body. The digestive system, indeed the whole body goes on alert that it is about to be fed the fuel necessary to energize the body on a cellular level. When the expected glucose fails to materialize the body starts demanding it. Cravings for sweets and carbohydrates begin. The body was primed to start producing and storing energy, but the artificial sweetener provided nothing of value.
When the body exhausts its supply of stored glycogen and it does not get glucose it starts producing ketones from stored fat to fuel the body. Since the body is self feeding it does not need the stimulation from the taste buds and hunger lessens (although the psychological cravings and emotional hunger continue much longer for most people). Artificial sweeteners continue to stimulate the system and the person is always hungry.
Avoid all artificially sweetened food, even gum and flavored water when fasting. It will do more harm than good. A teaspoon of Sugar will end ketosis for a while, but a teaspoon of Aspartame or sucralose will cause more problems. Even "Natural" sweeteners like stevia should be avoided when water fasting. Do not allow that phony sweet taste ruin your fast.- Good post Hopinso: I agree with you ... chrisb1 15 y 3,057
- No diet coke but coffee is okay... ActionGirl
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I think it all boils down to preference.
It is best for you to do research on your own and figure out what you think is appropriate.
What I notice is some people will excuse anything as a 'fasts' since they are unable to follow the exact criteria themselves.
My personal view is that anything other then water is not a fast. If people want to drink something other then water they should mention that so others are not deceived. For example people should say "I am liquid fasting X amount of days on A and B fluids..." not "I am water fasting..." and then two weeks later we all find out they did drink coffee or whatever else. It is alot like someone claiming to run a marathon but drove a quarter of the way by taxi.
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