Making Tinctures- Weight or volume? 
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MoreWhen making tinctures, do you measure parts by volume or weight? I have read that Dr. Christopher's formulas are by weight and most of Dr.Schulze's seem to be by by volume. Or does it vary and if so, how do you know which way to go? Sometimes it can make a big difference depending on which way you measure.
Any tips on where to keep them and how to shake a lot of them in a short amount of time.
Maybe you could just walk us through making a tincture. With detailed instructions. I know it isn't rocket science, but I like to gather information first to save myself from too many mistakes!
Thanks, T
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- Re: Making Tinctures- Weight or volu... seekingHim
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,419,124Could you also post the formula for the tooth powder? I just need to get the CD from you.
Thanks,
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This is a reply to # 1,419,135Dr. Christopher's Tooth Formula:
(numbers are "parts")
Yes, you do need the CD - it's the one in my Storefront coded TCWODJRC :)
Tooth Powder (Christopher)
-- all powdered
6 Comfrey root
3 Oak bark
3 Horsetail grass
3 peppermint
1 Cloves
1 Lobelia
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This is a reply to # 1,419,124//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1404295#i
There's the basics.
Schulze is volume/parts, not weight. All Christopher's 'commonly marketed' formulas were also based on volume/parts, not weight...in fact, I can't recall ANY off the top of my head that are based on weight (except some of his recipes for various teas...but even then, he sometimes measures by teaspoon/tablespoon).
We'll be having another 'tincture party' on the next new moon (5/24)
'Gotta go answer posts that have been waiting 'much longer' :)
Tincture ON!
Unyquity- Re: Making Tinctures- Weight or volu... Watering
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This is a reply to # 1,419,282David Christopher teaches that Dr. Christopher used Weight and not volume.
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Do you have ANY idea how David has altered the works and writings of Dr. Christopher to read as though Dr. Christopher wrote them. It's a NIGHTMARE!.
Here's a direct copy from the ORIGINAL "School of Natural Healing"
A Combination to Aid in Proper Bowel Function:
1 part Barberry bark (Berberis vulgaris)
2 parts Cascara sagrada bark (Rhamnus purshiana)
1 part Cayenne (Capsicum fastigiatum, Capsicum minimum)
1 part Ginger (Zingiber officinale)
1 part Golden seal root (Hydrastis canadensis)
1 part Lobelia herb and/or seeds (Lobelia inflata)
1 part Red raspberry leaves (Rubus idaeus)
1 part Turkey rhubarb root (Rheum palmatum)
Herbal Wash for the Eyes:
This formula is excellent for brightening and healing eyes, and it is known to remove the cataracts and heavy film from the eyes.
1 part Bayberry bark (Myrica cerifera)
1/8 part Cayenne (Capsicum fastigiatum, Capsicum minimum)
1 part Eyebright herb (Euphrasia officinalis)
1 part Golden seal root (Hydrastis canadensis)
1 part Red raspberry leaves (Rubus idaeus)
I don't know of ANYone that has started researching Dr. Christopher and not be misled by David. He has actually CHANGED MANY of his father's most successful formulas because of pressure from the Posers That Be.
I once claimed that Dr. Christopher used & recommended Schulzes IF#2 (but that was David's words not his fathers).
Blessings -
Unyquity- Re: ArrrrGGGGHHH! Re: Making Tinctur... Watering
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This is a reply to # 1,419,332I have no way of knowing who is right or wrong so don't take this the wrong way. But i don't understand why you posted the ingredient list from the lower bowel and the eye wash. i think I miss your point with them?
And when you say he changed his fathers formulas, Do you mean he changed them in the books? or with what the Dr. Christopher herb company sell? or........
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This is a reply to # 1,419,339I posted that to show that Dr. Christopher formulated by parts/volume, not by weight (like his son claims sometimes, or so I've heard).
Dr. Christopher's company is now owned by his children. They no longer use strictly organic herbs, and they have altered his original formulas (some substantially, by leaving out comfrey and substituting it with something FAR less effective).
It's a matter of record that the Powers That Be believe comfrey is a hepatoxin (when Dr. Christopher knew it wasn't). Rather than fight for the truth, his children changed every formula that had comfrey in it (at least those used internally). I have an excerpt from the FDA that ADMITS there is no known correlation between Comfrey and liver damage...but that didn't stop them from taking many herbal companies to court - and that didn't stop Dr. Christopher's children from selling out their father's life & legacy.
If you compare the original "School of Natural Healing" book, to the one published later, you will find substantial "edits" that are left to read as Dr. Christopher's words, but he never wrote or said them.
I don't take anyone truly 'seeking knowledge & truth' the wrong way...I applaud skepticism, critical thinking and good questions!!
Blessings -
Unyquity- Re: ArrrrGGGGHHH! Re: Making Tinctur... Watering
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This is a reply to # 1,419,345Maybe i need more sleep, but I am still missing how this
"A Combination to Aid in Proper Bowel Function:
1 part Barberry bark (Berberis vulgaris)
2 parts Cascara sagrada bark (Rhamnus purshiana)
1 part Cayenne (Capsicum fastigiatum, Capsicum minimum)
1 part Ginger (Zingiber officinale)
1 part Golden seal root (Hydrastis canadensis)
1 part Lobelia herb and/or seeds (Lobelia inflata)
1 part Red raspberry leaves (Rubus idaeus)
1 part Turkey rhubarb root (Rheum palmatum)
Herbal Wash for the Eyes:
This formula is excellent for brightening and healing eyes, and it is known to remove the cataracts and heavy film from the eyes.
1 part Bayberry bark (Myrica cerifera)
1/8 part Cayenne (Capsicum fastigiatum, Capsicum minimum)
1 part Eyebright herb (Euphrasia officinalis)
1 part Golden seal root (Hydrastis canadensis)
1 part Red raspberry leaves (Rubus idaeus)"
Shows he used volume and not weight?
Also that list looks just like my copy of the School of natural healing that was printed in 2005. I'm sure things have been changed but the bowel formula is still listed like what you have here.
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This is a reply to # 1,419,362These formulas represent ratios. If you said 1 cup measurements, then one part would be one cup. If you were measuring by teaspoon, then one part would be one teaspoon, but the ratio remains the same.
Had Dr. Christopher called for weight instead of volume, he would had written in terms of ounces or possibly grams. But an ounce of some herbs will fill the palm of your hand, while an ounce of lighter herbs might fill a gallon baggie.
Of course, Dr. Christopher COULD have chosen to measure by weight, using a metric scale, but honestly, it sounds like he just threw things together as fast as he could when someone presenting before him was suffering.
A "part" means whatever scoop you use to measure with, use it with all of your herbs, in these ratios.
I had this same question when I was making my first batch of Superfood. :-) We need to be clear on the answer.
Hugs,
Wings - 'What 'wings said :) +++Re: ArrrrGGG... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,419,362Many of the formulas in the edited "School of Natural Healing" are the same (in fact, they might all be - I've never compared each of them 'ingredient for ingredient'). I've only compared those I've created (and am going to create). BUT if you look at the label of the children's current products for sale, you'll find the ingredients do NOT match the ingredients listed in SNH.
I would like to add to what 'Wings said - Yes, Dr. Christopher did 'throw together formulas' "on the fly", but the way he did that was not randomly, nor was it any type of guesswork for him.
For example, I've been baking bread from scratch for over 30 years, and I rarely follow any recipe 'strictly'...that's because on any given day, the barometric pressure, temperature and humidity levels are all different...as is the freshness of the yeast, temperature of the flour/water/eggs/oil. The variables are endless. I've learned to "feel" them. I haven't had 'bread failure' for years...but if I followed a recipe strictly, I would have many failures.
Dr. Christopher understood completely what 'Wings mentioned. A pound of peppermint leaf looks like a baby's pillow in size; a pound of comfrey root looks morelike a pound of butter....and those weights will also change (sometimes quite dramatically) based on how they were dried and how dry/moist they are on any given day. He took this all into account with every formula he created.
As 'Wings said "one part" can be one teaspoon or one cup, and that creates a consistency that "weight" cannot accomplish (on a humid day "1 oz of herbs" is less volume than on an extremely dry day). So by giving us "parts" we always have the correct ratio.
Also note, throughout the SNH, you will find exact measurement and specific weights for various formula. More times than not, you will find in these cases we're dealing with a VERY specific amount of fluid of some type to be mixed with the herbs, or the herb type (fresh, chopped, dried, powdered) is specified. Many MANY times these more 'random formulas' found throughout the book, were not "specific" to Dr. Christopher, but rather, other formulas that he had used from different herbalists throughout the years of his practice.
Blessings,
Unyquity- Re: 'What 'wings said :) +++Re: Arrr... Watering
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This is a reply to # 1,419,457OK. I guess that all makes good sense.:) And yes, I know the Christopher company has made many, many changes to the formulas they sell.
I have one more question if you will bear with me.
Why can't a "part" be in weight? I have seen other books use it.- Re: 'What 'wings said :) +++Re: Arrr... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,420,934>>>I have one more question if you will bear with me.
Why can't a "part" be in weight? I have seen other books use it.<<<
Wow, it seems like the harder we try to explain, the further we push you away from understanding the concept.
Let's go at this way.
The reason the "parts" can't be in "weight" is that's the way the original herbalist created the formula.
As 'wings said, this is more "art than science" (you know, the long forgotten "ART of healing"...science has failed dismally, eh?)
As I mentioned, it's like baking bread...the same specific recipe will fail or succeed on any given day depending upon the humidity in the area (and how high or low one is located geographically).
If you want to sit down with a gram scale and a Dr. Christopher/ Dr. Schulze formula, and start calculating & converting the parts to "weights", have a blast...but you'll likely end up with different RATIOS than they intended...here's why:
Let's say the formula is for 3 parts Mullein (VERY leafy and light) to 1 part Comfrey Root (VERY heavy and dense)
Those converted weight will NEVER be consistent from supplier to supplier (a cup of dried comfrey root from Mountain Rose weighs more or less than one cup from Pacific Botanicals). All herbs weigh more or less depending upon the humidity in the air...and some will absorb more water from the air that others (the leaf absorbing much more than than the root)...hence what one cup of Comfrey weighed yesterday, might only be 7/8 cups to get the same weight tomorrow (depending on humidity, etc).
But 1 cup of Comfrey root to 3 cups of Mullein leaf will ALWAYS be the correct ratio of one herb to another....no matter HOW much humidity they've absorbed or how different the weight is from supplier to supplier.
This brings up another point (which you didn't ask) but I want to clarify. Never mix powdered herbs with herbs that are c/s (cut & sifted) i.e. chopped into consistently sized pieces. A cup of powdered herbs has virtually "zero air space" but a cup of chunked herbs contains LOTS of air. To keep the ratios correct in any given formula, always use ALL powdered or ALL c/s, but never both (unless that's the only thing available, and you really need the product).
'Hope that clears it up for you :)
Unyquity- Re: 'What 'wings said :) +++Re: Arrr... Watering
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>>"The reason the "parts" can't be in "weight" is that's the way the original herbalist created the formula"<<
Ok. I get that you are saying that this is how they were originally made. I think i know where i messed up. i thought you meant when you see the word "part" in a herb book it was always going to mean volume.
>>"As 'wings said, this is more "art than science" (you know, the long forgotten "ART of healing"...science has failed dismally, eh?)"<<
Yes I get that part aswell.
>>>"As I mentioned, it's like baking bread...the same specific recipe will fail or succeed on any given day depending upon the humidity in the area (and how high or low one is located geographically).
If you want to sit down with a gram scale and a Dr. Christopher/ Dr. Schulze formula, and start calculating & converting the parts to "weights", have a blast...but you'll likely end up with different RATIOS than they intended...here's why:
Let's say the formula is for 3 parts Mullein (VERY leafy and light) to 1 part Comfrey Root (VERY heavy and dense)
Those converted weight will NEVER be consistent from supplier to supplier (a cup of dried comfrey root from Mountain Rose weighs more or less than one cup from Pacific Botanicals). All herbs weigh more or less depending upon the humidity in the air...and some will absorb more water from the air that others (the leaf absorbing much more than than the root)...hence what one cup of Comfrey weighed yesterday, might only be 7/8 cups to get the same weight tomorrow (depending on humidity, etc).
But 1 cup of Comfrey root to 3 cups of Mullein leaf will ALWAYS be the correct ratio of one herb to another....no matter HOW much humidity they've absorbed or how different the weight is from supplier to supplier."<<<<<<
Ok. That all makes sense to me.
I just have one more thing to ask (sorry) How did you come up with this info? If his son is teaching weight, than how did you figure it out to really be volume?
Thanks for the help. I like your forum. Keep up the good work!
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