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From your fabo post:
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>>Extra boron should only be taken if people display signs and symptoms of deficiency as outlined in the problems above. Excess boron can cause problems too. Conditions like ADHD, dyslexia, autism, asthma, allergies, cystic fibrosis, liver and oseophageal cancer can be triggered or made worse with excess boron.
This doesn't sound so good. Is this author making a distinction between boron and borax in this instance? (i.e., same probs potential with borax as well?
>>Boron increases oestrogen and calcium levels and lowers B6, zinc, blood glucose. Signs of toxicity are nausea, vomiting, lethagy, dermatitis, diarhoea.
Gina - did you notice any of these symptoms listed above? Also, ever determine the mg of boron in borax? Ordered some boron caps, 3mg of course. I understand this is a low dose, but entirely experimental - sobeit.
Thanks for all you've contributed thus far. Please stick around.
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Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,366,712I have not experienced any, not even close to a negative reaction with borax. Borax consist of natrium, boron,hydrogen and oxygen ; it is found in nature; as a matte, whiteish crystal.
Boric acid is a different story; it is the acid variety of borax, used as a vaginal douche for candida /thrush. I have never used the acid; it is much more toxic.
Borax is so mild it can be used in the eyes. When my 9 year old swim in a chlorinated pool; he gets very sore eyes; red, stingy, burning eyes. a mix of borax and water takes away the pain right away (one or two drops in the eye), probably because of the alkaline quality of the borax.
Israel has a very low rate of arthritis; their ground / water has natural high content of borax. Norway is full of Arthritis and also full of people with candida related ailments + fluoride related ailments. Borax is an antidote to fluoride; and also very effective weapon against candida. Works very well with iodine.
My latest experiment with borax also involves one of my kids. He has suffered from frequent urination from when he was little; and I have tried everything to help him ( I am educated as a homeopatic doctor ) One month ago I tried some saw palmetto and for the first time also a little borax. (suspected a fungus origin for this ) It worked right away, same night he didnt have to get up to pee; the next week he was all fine. Then I went away for a 3 weeks working trip. When I came back his problem was back full strenght, even with using the saw palmetto. Then I realised it was the borax that have had effect. I gave him one capsule two days in a row; and problem gone again.
He has probably inherited my candida problem.
More later.. have to make them some lunch..
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- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... cora
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This is a reply to # 1,366,722A wealth of info, G. Thank you. But can I ask for a direct response to my original Q?
>> Is this author making a distinction between boron and borax in this instance? (i.e., same probs potential with borax as well?
- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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I am not sure,dont think so; borax is used for boron supplements, that is where the boron in capsules come from.
I believe that the most effective remedies in the world is a threat to the pharmaceutical industry; like iodine, vitamin c, magnesium, boron (?) etc. therfore their rda is set so low.
Anyone writing about it have to mention all the side effect; as here in the article; the author then cannot be attacked if anyone should ingest to much. I think the side effects he list up is the same as "we do not aim to treat"
"not regulated by FDA"
Lets take natrium-potassium. Salt has a bad press these days said to cause high blood pressure, fluid retention etc.
One of the "patients" of mine is a woman with both HBP ,fluid retention, + borderline diabetic, hypothyroid ++++
Well I put her on Iodine + Sea Salt to begin with. But she did one mistake; instead of half a teaspoon she took half a tablespoon of salt for each liter of water; 3 liter a day. That is quite a lot and one should think it would worsen her ailment; she was drinking this almost 3 weeks before she noticed her mistake.
What happened was that her wedding ring almost fell of her finger! Fluid actually left her body on that high amount of salt! She also slept better, less pain etc.
Let me put it this way; she is now my next guinea pig for borax. (she has Artrithis,fibromyalgy also)
Potassium on the other hand is known as the "good guy" a healthy mineral, yes, but did you know that one of the poisons they use to kill "death row" prisoners is potassium ? It is much easier to stop a heart with to much potassium than is natrium.
So bottom line is; do your own research, but start slow and low if you are scared. I was scared to death when I started on borax, and even more so when starting iodine, so I have no problem of understanding your resistance.
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This is a reply to # 1,366,738great info, I agree 100% about FDA remarks.
I think I'll begin my experiment with borax too,
from what you said it's better/safer to start with borax then with straight boron as I understood.
- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,366,779I think you can go straight to boron; but it is much more expensive; you will need 10-20 capsules to reach 30-60 mg
Borax is inexpensive; can be taken in water (taste flat but not really bad ; I used to put a drop or two of lemon in the water ) Remember 1/4 of a flat teaspoon daily in water or with water if you make capsules.
A wonderful scalp cure if you suffer from dandruff or itching or similar;
Saturated borax with distilled water (saturated is approx one heaped tablespoon to a quart of water, easier with warm water)
10-20 drops of Lugols iodine
10-30 drops of tea tree oil, lavendula oil or a mix of these two, rosemary is also nice. I make stronger solutions to adults, weaker for children.
The Iodine turns clear in a few seconds so no problems with staining
Fill a squeezing bottle; massage the mix to your scalp, let it work for 15-20 minute, shampoo as usual. You only need about an oz a time, depending on how much hair.
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This is a reply to # 1,366,788my only concerns where to find good borax, the laundry section in supermarket sounds scary... :)
- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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We dont even have borax available in supermarkets here in Norway. First I ordered some in the pharmacy; expensive,but you dont need a lot. Later I bought it at a chemical supplier; same place where I buy lugol. (I run a company and can by "chemicals") It is ever so hard to buy supplements in this country; everything is a "drug" here; like St Johns worth, melantonin, C vit powder is (only sold in pharmacy and cost a fortune ), vitamin B is illegal in higher doses and so on.
I have to do all kinds of bucking and sneaking to get what I want. Recently I found out you can buy supplements in the horses shops, or aquarium shops; both vitamin c and Lugol is available here. I dont know if the 20 mule team is pure borax, but according to Ted from Bankok /Earth clinic it is the real thing.
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This is a reply to # 1,366,816that is really ridiculous what they do in Europe recently,
being from there originally I can say that.
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- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,366,788>>>you will need 10-20 capsules to reach 30-60 mg
so how much of borax to get 30-60mg o???
I understand it is suggested daily dosage?- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,366,973This was according to the Arthritis survey; he used 30-60 mg borax, but how much elemental boron it is in 30-60 mg of borax I dont know. Sorry if I mixed up these two; I did some extra reading yesterday on borax-boron;
Elemental boron is not found in nature; it is bound to borax or other borates (minerals) small doses in water / soil. Safe dose for boron seem to be 3-18 mg daily; but it is difficult to find data for this. Our body consist of approx 18 mg boron.
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>>>Let me put it this way; she is now my next guinea pig for borax. (she has Artrithis,fibromyalgy also)
So, how is your patient (that lady) is doing today? Is her Arthritis getting better?
many thanks!
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- Re: O/T Mind if I revisit the boron/... Ginagirl
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- Re: Buy the whey... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,366,725I agree; I think it was this picture that persuaded me to start borax in the first place; as I love crystals, have them around the house.
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This is a reply to # 1,366,712Check this recent thread out with a discussion with Newport about Boron/radiation. It's interesting, and he also answers the question of how much borax it takes compared to boron. I asked Newport not too long ago, if he had a very limited budget, what supplements he would make sure he still had, and boron was one of them. He also talks about aluminum tying up boron, and taking mag malate with it.
I knew radiation had come up high on the Biomeridian testing a year ago, and Newport had told me then about the Boron for radiation...but it kind of got put to the back of my mind because of other things that were being addressed--until 2 days ago.
When the Alt Dr. did an "all-points" check for what the most important thing is to address right now, he was surprised by how stressed many of my organs are--and about 5 times, what came up as to what needed to be addressed to bring them into "balance"- was addressing the radiation. Newport was right, as usual, again.
Homeopathics have helped aLOT with many other things, and the Alt Dr "imprinted" the homeo treatments for me to be taking for the next month, specific for the radiation.
An interesting thing in the Boron information, was the mention of the Ehrlic cysts (Ehrlicia is a Lyme coinfection, and what I've also been hitting). The first day of taking 9 mg of boron, I also did a Liver Flush that night...and drove worms out of my liver (and I haven't seen parasites for months now). I don't believe it was coincidence.
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Doses up to 18 mg of boron daily appear to be safe for adults even if taken for prolonged periods of time. This is double the dose of even the most liberal amounts suggested by advocates of boron use. There is also no evidence to suggest that boron is either carcinogenic or mutagenic.
In 1904, human volunteers consuming greater than 500 mg of boric acid daily (this is equivalent to about 180 mg of elemental boron) showed symptoms of poor appetite and digestive problems. Symptoms of acute toxicity typically include nausea, diarrhea and abdominal cramps.- Re: boron toxicity motif
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what do you think about Ionic Boron as seen on amazon?
quite cheap...
http://www.amazon.com/Trace-Minerals-Research-Liquimins-2-Ounce/dp/B001GCU0HO...
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This is a reply to # 1,366,918Dunno, is that 6mg per drop or bottle?
One of jessesmom1987 recent posts has IMO the cheapest form of tri-boron. Not sure ionic actually aids in radiation detox...
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