Hi JAB,

Thanks for that, i think i may go for the doug coil,and i found out they do ship to the uk..

The new EMEM-HF at rife labs looks quite good though..I contacted them and they said this is there best machine for lyme

http://www.rifelabs.com/



Both are around the same price, Do you think the doug coil is the better choice..

Still cant really decide on which to buy..


JAB

One things for sure. You need a machine if you have Lyme. You will be able to get off Antibiotics and will only have to use the machine once per week. I'm not sure which would be better. If your going to get the EMEM plasma and money is a problem you might consider saving yourself 500$ by getting the EMEM3D double bubble 2 tubes machine. It is exactly the same but will only go to 10,000 HZ. Ask them.

Here are 2 reports off of the Lyme-and-rife Electromedicine and Lyme Disease Forum That seem to sum it all up. They are from year 2006 and 2007. Hope it doesn't confuse you even more.

One of the machines is the GB4000 which is similar to the F165. I think the F165 would be better and less expensive but you should ask about it on the forum to make sure.

Seven years ago, 1998:
15 different docs, ms diagnosis that I didn’t believe and was finally treated for lyme. One year of pulsing Antibiotics and stopped because of elevated liver enzymes but went on to feel totally well except for continuous sinus problems.

May 2005
Started to feel really crappy, just like 7 years ago. Went right on Antibiotics and started herxing from the beginning. All of my symptoms returned severely and rapidly. And to make things worse, I developed a severe yeast infection that made my doc stop all of my antibiotics.

I went downhill very fast and was unable to work. No antibiotics and extremely desperate, I started to look for alternative methods to get better. Please know that I have never spoken to Bryan Rosner with the exception of one email, directing me to the Website for his book, but I feel like I owe him and the rest of the people involved in rife technology my life. Thanks So Much!

This is only my story and if you want to believe it, fine, if not, that’s fine too. I’m not posting this to start another rife debate; I’m just posting what I’ve done to get better. Rife is my major treatment but I also did 14 weeks of salt/c and added antibiotics occasionally along with some diflucan. Mostly according to the outline in the book. I also sought help from a wonderful LLMD who finally got me the proper testing and I found out I was positive for ehrlichiosis and mycoplasm. I know in my heart that the only way to beat this disease is to use more than one method. I also learned that DETOXING is just as important (thanks Sue), if not more important than killing the bugs.

It’s been a very long and rough year (search my posts) but also a very rewarding one too. I’ve been introduced to so many wonderful people because of this disease, that in a weird way, and only at this point of my recovery, it’s been worth it!

Symptoms Throughout The Last Year

Dizziness
Extreme light sensitivity
Sensitive hearing
Numbness (whole body)
Tingling throughout
Twitching
Fatigue
Insomnia
Uncontrollable Crying
Extreme depression
Paranoia
Afraid to be alone
Afraid to go out in public
Weight loss (30#)
Impotence
Memory loss
Slurred speech
Nightmares
Vision Problems
Remaining Symptoms

Slight tingling in my forehead and occasionally, slight blurry vision in my left eye.
Treatments

Rife, EMEM3d from rifelabs.com (no affiliation)
Salt/c – 14 weeks
Zithromax (first month of relapse)
Flagyl (2 weeks)
Doryx (a few weeks, pulsed)
Diflucan
Epsom Salt Baths (Thanks Marnie)
Steam, ozone and infrared saunas
Coffee enemas
3 liver cleanses
Very Low Sugar and carb diet

I’m not telling you it was easy, because it was pure hell. But the strength and support I received from my family, this site and others, my doctors and the Lord got me through it and I really, truly feel that I am close to being even healthier than I was before my relapse. Every time I herxed, I felt like giving up but my wife carried me through every one of them. Bryan’s book was also the main reason my wife understood what I was going through, when I couldn’t get out of bed or just didn’t want to, she always referred to certain parts to help me keep my faith.

I went back to work fulltime in Sept. and just started coaching my 12-year-old baseball
team again. There is hope however it comes very very slowly! If anyone would like any help at all just send me an email and I will help in any way possible.
Sorry this is so long.

All My Best,
Scott
Scottdev@comcast.net



Lyme treatment results so far. 05-08-06
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These are the results so far in my wifes battle against Lyme disease.

She has been rotating between Samento and Cumanda for about two months. The rotation is changed when she has reached 15 drops of either and she is getting little or no Herx from the dosage.
When she had a large kill off in the beginning she did get a Lyme rage that did not last long. She did not understand her strange reaction and I did not know what it was until later on. Then when I realized what it was we knew it was in her brain also.

She has lost her Arthritis pain which was constant before treatment. She now can only feel it when a large kill off occurs. The large kill offs seem to trigger both Lyme rages and Arthritis like joint pain. Both leave after the body has rid itself of the toxins.

She also has had a couple of sinus infections and we used a GB-4000 frequency sets 715 and 716 Sinusitis primary and secondary to drain the sinuses and the relief was immediate and also seemed to cause a slight Herx. After comparing frequencies for sinus infections and Lymes I noticed some of the frequencies were close to the same. I am assuming this is what caused the slight herx.

Two days ago we decided to try the GB-4000 in between the switch from Samento to Cumanda. The kill off was large as judged by symptoms. She also had a Lyme rage and flu like symptoms including achy joints and mouth sores. This is the first time mouth sores have been experienced. During the session she could feel joint pain on and off. Also had "hits" on the side of her face. The hits on the face were in the same area of where Bell's Palsy takes place. There seems to be a connection between the two. This is the opinion of others that I agree with from experience.

The Herx symptoms could have been minimized if she would have taken Burbur but she decided not to. I think she will take it next time! We used an older standard frequency set of 466 for Lymes. We did not run the secondary frequency set of 467 because we did not want to overwhelm her body with too much kill off. Some may wonder if the Rife device just made her ill and would make anyone ill but I have run the same frequencies on myself with no effects. Thousands have done this so we are not breaking new ground here.

My opinions on what is happening is that the Lyme quickly adapts to whatever treatment you use. We switch when it seems to quit working instead of a particular time frame. I also believe that the Rife device blows the heck out of Lyme. The reaction we got with the device has not been experienced since we first started the Samento. The Rife device seems to get to the spirochetes in the brain with little difficulty. These are opinions only, not facts. Based on our experience I am of the opinion that the three way rotation of Samento Cumanda and a quality Rife device can really help clean up the body of Lyme.

I am hoping to eradicate the Lyme altogether. I know the current thinking is that this is not possible. However the current thinking also is that Rife devices are quackery. My experience tells me that they are a powerful tool for many ailments. I believe they are a threat to the established but inferior treatments of today. Keep in mind that frequency therapy would cost almost nothing if used in scale. Rife type devices are experimental with no known side effects. They are not to be used for other purposes other than experimentation. I do not recommend them for the treatment of any illness. Only a qualified health professional can do that.

We used the GB-4000 in its default mode. Square wave
with carrier frequency 90 duty cycle. Nothing fancy.

This is only our experience and opinions on an experimental Lyme regimen. Use at your own risk.

Best Regards

D Bergy

Question

Did you use all sets of the lyme disease in the GB list?
close family had good results on all lyme sets.
The hatchlings of the borrelia are the worse part I believe, we started treatment after the bulls eye apeared after a tick bit.
You may also want to use the parasites filariose set.

Rob
worsening seem to be a normal sympthom on heavy parasite infection.



Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 08-23-06

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Yes Rob, We use all of the sets from the manual and also the other frequencies that are in the CAFL. We also run Babesia frequencies. The first time we ran the Babesia frequencies she almost had to stop they caused so much discomfort. The resulting Herx was not any fun either.

We are lucky in that my wife seems to feel every useful frequency although I can not think of a good reason why she does. I once ran some new frequencies one by one out of the CAFL. One out of the ten I ran gave her no discomfort. I wondered why that one frequency did not make her uncomfortable. I double checked the frequencies against the others in the GB Manual and sure enough the one that did not bother her was one we had been running for quite awhile in another frequency set. I then knew how accurate her reactions were to the frequencies.

Now when we run the Babesia frequencies she cannot feel them and has no Herx the next day like she used to. Also the Lyme frequencies have less of a reaction than earlier. She really is alot better than she was in my first report. She did get some joint pain back after long sun exposure which can happen for some reason. That is going away slowly. All the Lyme frequency sets seem to work to one degree or another. We almost always run eight at a time so I cannot single out any in particular.

We did run some of Jeff Sutherland's frequencies but got no reaction from any of them so we do not use them anymore.

It seems to me that the published sets do a real good job on there own. Lyme can come in several different strains so our results may be better or worse than another persons. We also caught it relatively early. My wifes strain seems to be the one that can cause arthritis.

Just the other day we ran the primary parasite frequency set for the first time so "great minds must think alike." We are planning on running one parasite set with the Lyme sets when we run them. Currently we are running them every three or four days and will be doing it even more frequently now that we think we have it on the ropes. We also are no longer using the Samento or Cumanda as the Rife is working better and does not seem to chase the Lyme into dormancy. It is strickly a frequency treatment now so any results good or bad can be credited to the method.

D Bergy



Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 08-27-06

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Just ran the following frequencies on my wife for her Lymes. Ran them for two minutes each at the full ten amps max for the GB-4000. Ran them randomly a second time for two minutes each

Lyme_4 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500

Lyme_5 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000

Lyme_6 (borrelia garinii) - 382000

She had some joint pain with all the frequencies and tingling feet. Basically I think anything that was swollen had a reaction. Her joints quite often hurt when Lyme frequencies are run. Lyme supposedly collects in the large joints. Before we ran any frequencies her ankles were bothering her. The ankles are the worst joints in her case.

The least amount of reaction was with the 380000. She only had some pain the second time I ran it. Not much discomfort.

387500 made her knee hurt alot the first time and hip and ankle joints the second time around. Most painful frequency.

382000 made different joints hurt off and on both times. Seemed to be the second most painfull frequency.

I do not know what it all means but I am assuming that 389500 & 382000 are most likely valid Lyme frequencies at least for her particular strain. 380000 may or may not be for her strain, but the reaction was slight in our case.

D Bergy


Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 10-27-06

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We have not been doing any treatments whatever for about a month. After she had a bad cold with a high fever she has had no symptoms of her Lyme. It seems that the high fever had a dramatic effect on the Lyme Disease.

We are going to try another frequency treatment soon just to see if she reacts but we have been terribly busy lately and have not got around to it yet. I will post after that is done.

I doubt she is rid of it completely but she has progressed very well with the GB-4000. The fever thing should be explored by some Lyme doctors.

D Bergy



Updated Lyme Report.01-19-07

My wifes Lyme symptoms came back after about six weeks after the high fever. Her symptoms now just consist of occasional joint pain mostly in the ankles.
We are running the standard frequency sets in the CAFL and a few others we have collected from various sources. Treatment results in more joint pain during treatment with complete resolution of pain by morning. We always run frequencies in the evening.

Her Lyme Disease seems to have became more active in the late fall which seems to correspond with the seasonal aspect of it. After we had some weeks with no joint pain she started taking two good multivitamins along with Curcummin and Ginger. I was worried she was getting stripped of minerals since she had not been supplimenting at all. I also was worried the Lyme was going dormant again. Our new goal is to goad out the Lyme into spirochete form so we can destroy it faster. Our goal is to erradicate it all together. I do not think this is impossible, just a matter of time and consistanty. As long as we keep killing it during it's spirochete form during that part of it's life cycle we should be able to keep reducing it's presence into nonexistence.

After a couple of weeks of supplimentation the Lyme seems to be responding by becoming more active again. I do not know if it is the additional vitamin D or additional Magnesium that is activating it. I am just pleased that we were apparently successful in controling its actions.
We ran individual frequencies from "Doug" of Doug Coil fame. He found these early in his experimentation and resolution of Lyme Disease. We ran 306, 612, 1224 all frequencies are in Hz. 306 and 612 were more effective as judged by joint and nerve pain. As is always the case now, there was only joint pain resolution with no Herx reaction. We take this as a good sign that the bacterial load is greatly reduced since we started. She has a completly normal life with no restrictions induced by the Lyme Disease. The joint pain is resolved by frequency treatment by the next day. I am glad, in retrospect, that we were forced to treat this on our own. It is so much better than being on the Antibiotic roller coaster. A few months and we are in control of the disease, not the other way around.


I will mention that throughout this whole process we always used the most logical methods known to us at the time.

Our criterea for treatment was simple. We used the best methods available to us that had no known side effects. I was skeptical about the Cumanda because I could find out little about it. This was the only time I was a little concerned about the treatment protocol.

I always used whatever treatment my wife used to make sure her reactions were from Lyme irradication and not an adverse treatment to the treatment itself.

In no case did I experience any reaction to her treatment.

My wife has had no adverse reactions other than those from Herx or joint pain which are expected with any effective treatment.

Rife therapy made sense mainly because its premise of destroying or disabling Lyme bacteria in spirochete form is reproducable. It also is supported by many actual success stories. I do not care if it is an "official" treatment, only if it works. The disease does not recognise whether the treatment is "official" or not, Why should we base our decision on such a political designation?

It also makes "horse sense" that a treatment that is completly foriegn to the bacteria has a better chance of working since the bacteria are completely unfamiliar with its nature. Bacteria have no frequency threats in nature so what are the odds of it having any defense mechanism against a frequency?

We always used treatment that had worked well for other actual long term Lyme patients and built upon their information. There is little need to reinvent the wheel when there are so many that have either vastly improved or have resolved all symptoms long term.

Keep it simple stupid (KISS) Keep the treatment to the basics, as much as possible. If you are doing many different treatment methods at once it is nearly impossible to tell what is working. I have developed this conclusion over time. A persons natural reaction is to "blast with both barrels" throwing the kitchen sink at the disease. The problem is nothing is learned in the process. If the kitchen sink method does not work you have no clue what part of your kitchen sink was defective. You may discard an important part of an effective treatment because it was not compatible with the rest.
No one has all the answers to Lyme Disease, and anyone that claims to is a liar. You will undoubtably, have to learn much along the way.

Do not get married to your treatment you are using today. If your long term progress is not improving, why keep doing it? One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing you always have done, and expecting different results.
We use Rife Therapy because it is working. If it comes to the point where the long term outcome is not progressing we will look at other options.
As long as a method of treatment is working stick with it. Conversly, it makes no sense to stick with any method that does not bring long term improvement.

You need to distinguish symptom suppression from irradication. I believe the Samento and Cumanda killed Spirochetes, but, it also caused symptom suppression which may make you feel better short term, but the Lyme seemed to be able to hide from it. We started out using Samento and Cumanda with some Burber to enhance detox. These worked very well in the beginning. As the Lyme adapted and was less affected by these natural antibiotics we knew this was not a long term solution. Antibiotics can only work where there is a good blood supply. How can it get into the deep tissue where the Lyme hides?

With the information I have today, we never would have used any antibiotics even though the short term results were good. We likely drove much of the spirochetes into dormancy instead of killing them immediatly. This just makes the irradication proccess take longer. This is the extent of harm I feel our treatment protocol may have had. But, following the doctors recommendation of seeing a Rhuematologist would have resulted in a more entrenched Lymes with a host of pain relievers, all with side effects, that are completely unneccesary with our methods. We will stick with the logical method as long as it works.


Nothing we have done is original. We have got this far by conversing with people without an agenda who knew something about Lyme Disease or bacteria destruction. I would like to thank them all for their contributions. I personally have hundreds of hours of research into various treatments available to us without the benefit of a physician. I have not tried them all, because we were fortunate to find an effective one early on. Do your research and try things that make sense and remember that the things that work are not neccesarily popular. An unconventional disease may need unconventional thinking.


I will repeat that this is an experimental treatment with no known side effects. Very effective in our opinion but experimental non the less.

Use at your own risk. This is just our experience and opinion, results surely will vary. We are not doctors or healthcare providers.


D Bergy