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I have been diagnosed with gilberts syndrome last year which is considered a mild issue and not even a problem by conventional medical doctors. However, I have been suffering with poor digestion for about 7 + years with server IBS, bloating some insomnia, recent chronic fatigue, Depression and I have a very low body fat percentage. From my research it appears Gilberts syndrome people have a problem with the gluchorinidation process in the liver for phase 2 detoxification, leading to lack of bile to digest foods, where the bile ends up in the blood causing jaundice.
I can't remember beyond the last 3 years when my stools weren't yellow. They went brown with my first Liver Flush 2 years ago but after a month soon faded back to yellow.
Recently I started taking chanca piedra for the last 3 weeks and seen mixed improvement of my stools. Over the weekend I started taking 3-4 lecithin capsules with my meals and now, 2 to 3 days later, so far every stool has been brown and floating. This is a tiny bit of lecithin, considering the granules contain much more. I think this is a brilliant sign. Also my moons are starting to appear on my finger nails. Touch wood, that this is not just a fluke and a practical solution. Its early days yet, but I already feel my energy levels are much better.
If anyone knows of any success with lecithin I'd be very interested in this.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,317I also have Gilberts Syndrome. They tell you its insignificant but it isnt. Apparantly we detoxify 33% slower than everyone else! I call that quite significant. I wonder do you have candida? I also have Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome (and candida) - I am wondering if Gilberts makes you more prone to candida and CFS. I havent tried Lecithin but I am going to give it a go. What brand do you recommend and do you take it just before meals that contain fat? thank you
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Hey,
Maybe you have choline deficiency?
what kind of diet ratios are you on?
are you eating enough protein/choline foods/Taurine?
what are your bile salts ratios like?
Do you have enough red blood cells being recycled? (makes bile salts)
Is your liver "clean"?
How much do you exercise?
Do you go long periods without food?
I don't believe in Gilberts myself, it is always a sign that something else is amiss.- Re: Lecithin success with chanca pie... ladywear
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This is a reply to # 1,241,358I was told it was genetic and other members of my family would have it also. I just presumed I was born with a genetic weak liver which has left me open to candida Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome etc. Dont know. Open to opinions though.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,241,389Hey,
Even though Gilberts has genetic markers and such, if you go on any GS board, you will find the vast majority of people did not have symptoms til their late teens/early 20s..
Which might suggest that even though theres genetic propensitiy for it, something else is a miss.
Candida can take hold of any one, it loves a stressful, acidic environment, sadly.. - Chronic fatigue exacerbated by takin... inspiraller
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This is a reply to # 1,241,389I have also suffered with chronic fatigue recently. From experience I get it mostly after a meal with sugar, a large meal or taking some supplements like zinc or a B complex.
2 Years ago I became vegetarian. My energy levels depleted a little back then and haven't really been the same. Then a year ago I did oral chelation with DMSA. This knocked my energy down so much I became depressed and had a kind of emotional breakdown, but this is could be due to not following a strict DMSA protocol. I'm going to try this again when I'm ready and follow the Andy Cutler protocol.
At the beginning of this year I started a zinc supplement program recommnended by my doctor, after tests revealed I have pyroluria. After 3 months of this I became so fatigued and depressed I quit my job and lay in bed nearly every day due to feeling so emotionally broken down. A week after I stopped taking it I started to get my energy back.
During the last 3 months I have been taking probiotics, pea protein powder, eating plenty of eggs, eating smaller meals and drinking plenty of water. This has given me some energy, reduced my gut pain but I still dont quite have the energy to start working again.
In retrospect I am beginning to think my body couldn't process the zinc, because of gilberts, therefore it started causing a form of toxicity, and probably made me deficient in copper. I also read that zinc increases phase 1 detoxification creating an extra burden on phase 2 detoxification. I am hoping the chanca piedra and lecithin are the answers. Meanwhile I am avoiding all supplements except these for a good month or maybe more.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,241,402Hey,
Have you done a parasite expulsion protocol?
Have you done a candida test? (not a spit test..)
I would suggest you never go off protein, but just make sure you can digest the proteins that you do eat.
How much Zinc were you taking? The body will just not uptake Zinc if it has enough, even if you supplement, Copper shouldn't be a problem.
Have you done a blood work up? if energy levels are so down, then something is wrong with metabolism.-
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This is a reply to # 1,241,411Hi yes, I have done many parasites cleanse protocols. Also I did a colonic cleanse fast in Thailand a couple of years ago. Since then I have continued to do parasite cleanses periodically from clarkia to garlic, oregano oil and zapping. In fact, the chanca piedra Im taking at the moment is producing more worms than anything I have taken in the past. See picture. This is 10 minutes ago. As for candida, I don't know any definitive test for this. As far as I know its more about body signs and desires. I dont have typical symptoms of candida.
I agree about the protein. I was taking 50mg zinc a day for 3 months with combined other ingredients. Note, it didn't have any copper in it. Its just a hunch I have that I am low in copper, but ill never know for sure as the best test for this is a hair mineral analysis that isnt deranged. Mine is deranged, with calcium so high its off the chart and all other minerals low. Dr Wilson classifies this as the calcium shell. I would love to be able to make the connection between gilberts and this, as my mother who has really bad MS also has high calcium reading on her hair mineral analysis.
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Hey,
Are you getting reinfected with parasites? chanca piedra is powerful at deworming but not stopping reinfection.
Are you getting enough probiotics? are your magnesium levels too low? an antagonist of calcium. I would suggest you don't do any detox things like Cutler, til your basic system is working, i.e. liver and bowels.
It sounds like you have just detoxed then retoxed because your elimination channels are already too bogged down.
Try (low) sweat baths, magneisum baths, rebounding, stretching, etc as well.- Re: worm in stool inspiraller
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This is a reply to # 1,241,435Thanks for the suggestion. I might start taking Clarkia or huma worm with the chanca piedra. Ive only been doing it for 3 weeks so I dont suspect reinfection at this stage. Regardless of whether it kills parasites though, its helping my bile function. Im taking sometimes oxCgen and Oxypowder in the evenings, to help clear my bowel, so Im getting good magnesium. Magnesium baths just make me more fatigued, and yes I've been taking a high quality probiotic powder since the beginning of this year, none stop.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,444Hey,
It might be that when your body gets something that you need, you end up in a higher detox mode and thus feel crappier?
Thats why I recommend a blood test to see where your mineral levels and such are at, so that you know what you need to change in your diet/supplement.
BTW, have you tried "live" probiotics such as Kefir, v.s. probiotic powder?- what tests to get for free? inspiraller
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I saw a nutritionist for a while before and she did recommend I think plasma blood tests for a complete mineral profile. I can't remember the exact terms, but she said they are expensive, at about 250 pounds or something. I don't know how definitive this kind of testing is, but there are so many tests id like to get done - amino acid profile, fatty acid testing, vitamin profile etc... The list goes on and doctors aren't giving away free testing.
I have got ill immediately after dairy based yoghurts with probiotics several times.
I'll be booking in to see my doctor again soon to find out about the chronic fatigue ive been having and ask him to give me some kind of Sugar / diabetes / adrenal test etc. IF there are any specific forms of testing you recommend me to ask for that i can get free id be grateful.- Re: what tests to get for free? #61595
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This is a reply to # 1,241,454Hey,
It's hard to recommend what test to take, because when naturopaths recommend them, they have a running idea of whats going wrong and what to test for. Some use kinesiology (muscle testing) to see what supplements/diet will help.
I would recommend you check for insulin sensitivity and adrenal fatigue, if the adrenals are shot then you will have trouble making bile too btw.
parasites will just muck things up in expensive tests though, they steal food, release toxins and cause havoc.
It sounds like you are realling congested ontop of all that, so you just need more cleansing, but it is a danger when you can't assimulate new food and such and feel like crap :/
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This is a reply to # 1,241,460Thanks. I appreciate that. I remember our conversation about chanca piedra in a previous post. You are an inspiration. :-)
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This is a reply to # 1,241,460Please could you elaborate a bit more about how adrenal fatigue affects bile flow? thank you
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Hey,
I read the information via my University a long time ago, I no longer have access to the article, it is online but you have to pay for it, sigh.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13927671
In simple terms, when the adrenal glands are removed, or are underperforming, they do not release enough hormones, these hormones are used by the body as precursors to other things, one of those things is cholesterol, the hormone has to reach the liver in precursor form, it is then used to make bile.
If the hormone isn't released, less bile is made, well -- in RATS, but I think we have a similiar setup in humans.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,491Thank you that is really interesting. I keep wondering what came first weak/fatigued adrenals or clogged liver and which to focus on first.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,495Hey,
Well that is hard to say -- it depends if you were feeling run down (clogged liver) and started using more energy booasting things (Caffeine) or if your endocronological system was under stress from daily life style, etc. There are environmental toxins that can cause havoc on those systems as well.
I would say cleanse the liver first, and at the same time, avoid any kind of stimulant, and try to relax and bring your whole mind into a medative state as much as possible.
Try and release your emotional burdens and work thru your life history if there's anything there that you haven't processed (this isn't EFT) sometimes people just block strong emotions, emotions should be expressed, even if it's not wise to do that.
Cleansing the liver = cleaner blood = oxygenated organs and such.- Re: what tests to get for free? ladywear
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Thanks that is really helpful advice. I am dealing with lots of grief since my husband died in January and my whole my body just seems to have collapsed. I am riddled with candida, my liver is overloaded and my adrenals are very fatigued. I worry by cleansing my liver I may then stress my adrenals more since cleansing is hard on the body? I want to do this very gently because I am so poorly and emotional as well. I have been taking some herbs to help my liver and some amino acids along with a healthy Diet (no caffeine or alcohol -cant tolerate them), no dairy, sugar, processed etc. This has helped me alot and I am getting die-off from the candida just with the diet, liver herbs & aminos/vits and mins. Interesting you say about releasing emotions - my liver supplements make me cry more and release all my feelings about my husband. Its like they intensify it all...so I have to be careful because I feel bad enough! Am I doing the right things so far? I really am very poorly - I was bed-ridden before I started my liver supplement but I still cant do very much in a day. Sorry for the questions, I would just really appreciate any guidance anyone can offer.- Re: what tests to get for free? #61595
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This is a reply to # 1,241,524Hey,
Having been on various liver herbs, I can safely say that yes they do dredge up emotions, sometimes you feel like crying and upset and you can't fathom why, even thou you feel "okay" you feel something else as well, it is just something you need to go thru, but make sure you don't O.D. on the liver herbs, slowly but surely is better.
You are correct in taking it easy, mild Liver Cleansing shouldn't stress your system, but make sure your elimination channels are working properly (bowels, lymph) and up your take in fiber.
Grief totally kills the immune system, you may of had a bit of candida being kept in check by your immune system in happier times and it went out of control soon as your immunity was hampered.
Even when you are tired, tried to walk around, get fresh hair, do dry skin brushing and keep your system going.
There definately is a body/mind connections, try not to feel alone, I know how it is, I too lost my sister 3 years ago and it affected my health much the same.
It's just one day at a time, but I think you are on the right path, liver cleansing/flushing has helped me a great deal, I don't know what I would of done without it!
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Thank you again! YOu have made me feel more hopeful that there is a way out of this. I am glad the Liver Flushing has worked for you. Its something I may attempt when I am feeling stronger. Sorry about your sister....yes grief plays total havoc with your body. Once again - thanks for your posts....you have been most helpful.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,317I cringe when someone says they have a genetic defect or weakness.
I've seen people "get by" and "put up" with ill health, as the problem is "in the genes" and we "all" know you can't do something about that.
For the most part.....Rubbish.
A new study a few months back showed a gene having a B vitamin expression.
If the test subject got a mere 100 micrograms above what the other test subjects received of (I believe it was folic acid, B9)in their diet, this "genetic defect" wasn't expressed.
So how many people may have certain "weak" genes but not know it because they are on a "good" diet.
Whereas being on a "poor" diet will express the gene.
So it's possible that if you were checked for the GS gene when born and given lecithin at an early age and then on going.
All the "other" health issues caused by a marginally functioning liver might never occur. (Assumes lecithin does whats needed)
The delayed onset is a no brainer.
A young growing body can compensate very effectively.
The sudden onset at around 20 would seem to coincide with perhaps....beer drinking and such?
So when we think of genetic defects, is it really something that can't be compensated for?
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This is a reply to # 1,241,422I agree its important not to condem ourselves to no hope of improvement just because a doctor has given us a diagnoses. I have met such hostility when trying to encourage a positive direction for my mother who has has been diagnoses with MS. She has it really bad. However, I don't believe the term means there is no cure for her, as I believe its just the result of a totally toxic body that needs recovery. Especially in this case, as all the so called conventional treatments do nothing for her, except suppress her immune system.
The doctor who diagnosed me with Gilberts syndrome didn't offer any solution to my problem either, and said it wasn't even a problem. Whether he's right or wrong, he offered me no ideas, but I thank him for giving me something to research.
Coming to a website like this and reading up on other peoples interpretations of doctors diagnoses and so called genetic labels has provided me some positive directions. I wouldn't be here otherwise. So I don't care what a doctor calls my problem, just as long I have something that can help my condition.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,439My doctor was the same. He just said I had Gilberts Syndrome and its genetic blah blah. No offer of any help. However I have read alot on the Gilberts Web sites and there are lots of things I have been doing that have helped. I think if I hadnt taken some responsibility for my own health then I would still be suffering at the hands of doctors. I dont know whether its genetic or not - all I know is it has improved and I am not stuck with it. I didnt know about the lecithin though....will try that for sure.
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This is a reply to # 1,241,450I am sure you did already searches on All forums.
In my notes I found a link, I don't know why I saved it since I don't have Gilberts, but I will link it here in case there is some info you can use.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=496164
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