How interesting that you are saying that to Dr Sutter, because it's exactly what I've thought about Plz's "stone free/parasite free" story for some time now. Maybe at first, when I first came on CZ a year ago, and from her, got the impression that "if I can just get 16 flushes done like Plz, I can be stone free". And hearing Plz blast both me and Pioneer1 for doing too much parasite cleansing because "she did one month of Barefoot's, and 1 TB a week after that for maintenance" (which was what Barefoot's instructions are) Barefoot has also said that "only the most highly infected will see parasites in the toilet"--and there are a number of "highly infected" people on this forum.

HOWEVER- I'm no longer a novice, and neither is Pioneer1, and plenty of others on this forum that have been here a year with Doc. We can now turn the tables and know things from our own experience that aren't jiving with Plz's story, and why I have thought the very same thing about what she has claimed in "being stone free after 16 flushes" that she has only assumed that...the reasons are this:

That's all the full fledged flushes Plz has done. After that, it was her "gentle lemonade flush" only. I too, had hoped that just by drinking her drink every morning, that it would be the way to not have to do full flushes as often...bottom line is, and Plz knows this deep down- it does NOT work the same as the full fledged flushes do. Plz couldn't get herself to do any more Clark flushes after 16 flushes- she admitted that herself. For the very reasons that Plz quit doing the Clark flushes, is why Dr Sutter is an advocate of the Coke Flush. HAD Plz given the Coke Flush a try--and THEN found out after 3 flushes that she was "stone free"- THEN maybe I would have believed her story. But too many of us have gone through this now to know that it takes far more than what Plz has done- not just with the FULL liver flushes, but with the parasite killing. And, if you aren't getting ALL the parasites killed, (which Charlie doesn't believe is a problem in the US) then you WILL continue to have stones form.

What the rest of us have found is this concerning parasites:

--JUST doing Barefoot's dewormer alone, and even at 2 TB a day--will NOT kill the harder to kill parasites (ascaris and tapeworms) It's taken the rest of us using Barefoot's IN CONJUNCTION with something else to get the tougher worms killed--which we've also found don't even show up until you've gotten a load of the flukes killed off first. Pioneer1 has killed 4 tapeworms, each time using rounds of Zymex2 like Dr. Sutter will tell you..one just recently--10 months into deworming. Wannaseeworms has discovered the parasite load she's got, not from staying just on Barefoot's dewormer but from doing several rounds of Humaworm, and other herbals too--and 8 flushes into it- she knows she's just getting started with the liver flushing..."as long as there are parasites, there will be stones"

--There are different varieties of flukes, that live in different organs- not just the liver, and in all different stages. The "mama fluke" Plz got- is 1/2 the size of the F. Buski intestinal flukes- try 4 inches by 1 inch--and not just one of them.
They weren't killed with just Barefoot's alone either--they were killed WITH the two tapeworms I got using Barefoot's AND the Clark protocol with the ozonated oil/L-Cysteine, and COQ10, and plenty of other good quality dewormers through my Alt Med Dr--and I'm far from being cleaned up. I just found out yesterday what more I have going on as far as parasites in the liver/pancreas and spleen.

Is Plz now believing you don't have to kill parasites too- that Charlie's tonic will "cure" that problem of loads of parasites/eggs people have too? How many people on Charlie's tonic alone, HAVE killed tapeworms, ascaris, and F Buski flukes? or gotten flukes in all different stages??

--"If you still have parasites, you WILL have stones" that's from Dr Sutter, and it has proven to be true time and again with me- no gallbladder. If Barefoot's alone doesn't kill some of these tougher to get parasites (unless I drank megadoses of it)- do you really think Charlie's liver tonic by itself will kill tapeworms and 2 and 3 ft Ascaris Suum? And a bunch more in the 1 to 1 1/2 ft range, and bunches more of ascaris- finger thickness, spaghetti noodle thickness..

--The more "toxic" a person is when they start all of this stuff--the longer it WILL take to get cleaned up. We've all read how close to death Plz thought she was in from the shape she was in going into the liver flushing. Smoking 4 pkgs of cig's a day, 5 pots of coffee was it Plz? And liver flushing started how long before the parasite killing?

--Continuing to smoke all through this, by her own admission on CZ -- no matter how "holisitic" the rest of Plz thinks her lifestyle and eating habits are--WILL continue to cause stones to form in the liver.

Plz said herself:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1077195

"My one dealy sin is ciggies and I'm going for quitting to fast this year."

THis is what Andreas says about cigarette smoking and the liver:


http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=488960


"Having been a smoker for a long time, to deal with the dozens of chmecical poisons in cigarettes your liver had to produce hundreds or thousands of intrahepatic stones. The stones now prevent the liver from cleaning up the blood stream properly and toxins and chemicals acidify the tissues of the body. The immue system induces inflammation to help remove damaged cells. At the same time, these parts become dehydrated. Both causes pain. The pain supports the healing work of the body and draws water to the afflicted area."

Plz not only smoked that many cigarettes all those years--she's continued to smoke, again, by her own admission.

Plz's weight gain/water retention--doesn't take a rocket scientist- congested liver from liver stones/smoking

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1213996


"My weight came on in a 6 week period, 26#s of it...WHAM!! My ankles swole ... never so much in my feet actually, but then it started going up my legs ... I felt like water was being poured into my body faster than I could get rid of it. When I felt it reach my abdomen and keep moving up, it scared me 1/2 to death. My paternal granny is in her 90s, only severe health problems she ever has had has been congestive heart failure on several occassions and I did NOT want to be headed there at 53!!


I've never come to an understanding of what happened to me last June. I was still eating healthy, still doing my same cleansing protocol. Nothing changed. I couldn't eat enough fruit, greens and seeds to gain 26 pounds in 6 weeks!!! It had to be the water retention. The swelling stays down for the most part now, but the weight won't come off!


At this time, my body seemed to stop detoxing also. I couldn't even get things to start moving again with fasting, and I wasn't able to fast for days at a time. Pouring nothing but juice in made my legs swell to the point of looking like they might burst and I'd chickenout.


If anybody has any ideas on this one, I'm listening..."





Again from Andreas:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=421340


"Smoking is a major cause of gallstone formation.

Another source of protein deposits in blood veseel walls is caused by the destruction of red blood cells through the carbon monoxyde inhaled with the cigarette smoke. I have dealth extensively with all of these these subjects in my books The Amazing Liver Cleanse and The Key to Health and Rejuvenation (www.1stbooks.com). The liver cleanse is a fast and powerful means to balance cholesterol and high blood fats. It may also remove your urge to smoke, which can be very strong when impurities occur in the blood stream."

WHY DID Plz go with Charlie's tonic and NOT do FULL liver flushing?? She knew her liver was congested, and is STILL claiming the "stone free after 16 flushes"--


http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1122876


I need to do a full blown flush soon, after almost a year of a gentle flush that Dennis Hardy helped me to fomulate, but I canNOT make myself do another HC flush! I'm considering Doc's coke flush. I haven't liked sodas for most of my life and using it to flush doesn't seem natural to me, but I feel that I need to do something! Next week is hot lemonade flush week, I'll see how I feel after that.

So NOT doing full flushes all that time, only using Barefoot's dewormer for what started out as telling others that they shouldn't keep killing parasites- that she only did 1 month of Barefoot's and "maintenance" dosage after that--and then it was that she had been deworming non-stop with a couple of TB a day-- plus just doing "the Plz Chuckle Gentle Lemonade Flush" DIDN'T work--


http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1209175


"Mojo, if liver flushing and liver/gallbladder balance was gonna work for me, I believe 2 1/2 yr, over a year of it stone-free, I would be up and running at the optimal now. I'm not, my liver needs a sumthin extra.


I'm giving it that something!!!"


No one thinks a second thought about talking about bowel movements around here, it's the norm--

So when Plz first started on Charlie's tonic--from what I've read, the bowels weren't doing so good- right Plz? Constipation/clay colored?
Still claiming to be "stone free"...but with an obviously congested liver--that's where Plz started on Charlie's tonic.

I'm actually glad you made that remark to Dr Sutter Candida, about "Your making alot of assumptions" because it's been something I've wanted to say to Plz for some time now myself.

HAD she at least given the Coke flush a try, and THEN found she was "stone free" after 3 flushes--maybe I'd consider it...but from what the rest of us here have experienced--as long as there are parasites, and toxins...there WILL BE STONES, and the GENTLE flush--doesn't work. I think Plz knows that deep down too...admitting it might be a different story, but she knew when she started on Charlie's tonic that her liver was congested with stones--there's no way it couldn't be, no matter how "holistic" she believes her lifestyle is-- her liver was in too bad of shape to begin with, and she continued smoking.

I hope Charlie's tonic is the ticket for her. Other's may have considered it had Charlie known anything about parasites--which he doesn't, and won't admit are a problem that the rest of us have found--and had he not been a pushy salesman that pooh poohed what Dr. Sutter has to say.

I've heard Plz say it time and again--"Flush the liver ,kill the bugs, keep flushing the liver, keep killing the bugs"...where did she get that from??? Dr Sutter.

So now what for her? How long will she continue on Charlie's tonic? After that, then what? Gentle flush again? 2TB of Barefoot's dewormer a day? or just a month and then maintenance after that? Or just keep on Charlie's tonic and no more deworming because it's now no longer necessary, because Charlie says so??

Thanks for bringing this here. It's been misleading to new people when Plz has kept making the claim of being "stone free after 16 flushes"...without the whole story that the full flushes stopped then.

And your someone who is having benefit by Charlies tonic and thereby automatically swallowing ALL of his talk. I kinda despise those parroters.

See, if you tried stuff and stuff didnt work for you, i can understand you coming to the conclusion there is only ONE way to do things. But, the reality of it is that were all individuals. The reality is that liver flushing works, as well.

I think Charlie is right that the liver flushes don't give the liver any building blocks to make repairs and get stronger. Liver flushes help de-congest the liver of debris. I have done nearly 35 liver flushes and they have made a difference in my health. But, I recognize that my liver still needs help. I believe Charlie's tonic helps re-build the liver so it is stronger and can do its functions more easily/efficiently, etc.

I think each person needs to access where they are at health-wise and determine the best path to take. I also believe prayer/God's guidance helps and listening to your own body helps. Piz is getting great results with Charlie's tonic, so her liver needed the building blocks at this time.

About the liver he isn't making assumptions. Have you healed yourself naturally from liver cancer?

I don't think there is an unhealthy liver out there without stones. And more often than not they are also congested with parasites, especially the way we poison our bodies with processed food.

I've been taking a liver/digestive tonic with the same herbs that Charlie uses for a few months now. Do they help? Yes. In a live blood cell test it broke up my red blood cells in less than 3 months. Does it make the liver flush obsolete? No. I just got over 100 stones out two weeks ago and felt both the size of my liver decrease and my digestion improve. Does it make a parasite cleanse obsolete? No. If you neglect it, like I did with Humaworm, the flukes will come back with a vengeance in 3 months and you'll be at stage 1 again.

I also want to note that Charlie is not some magical alien coming from a magical land with magical herbs that only he can provide. Many herbal remedies use a lot of the same herbs and have been around for centuries. Not a lot has changed, especially since the time of Dr Christopher. What I'm saying is that there are other herbalists out there that do exactly what our man Charlie does.