"My experience contradicts this. Am better than ever in life by following the Moreless protocol and getting a consistent supply of organic alkaline minerals, minimizing NPN [funny proteins], watching my sodium/potassium ratio. This could not be if I still needed to "detox" something!"
Each person has to find what works for them. You have obviously found what works for you. Whether this is because of your "minimizing NPN" or in spite of it, you will never know.
I started a thread in the Urine Therapy Debate forum regarding NPN and UT, and so far nobody has responded. Yet you continue to post the Moreless protocol here in UT as if it means something. From everything that I've found, it doesn't.
I've posted the following information before and no one has challenged it so I'll post it again:
As medical researchers have discovered:
"Urine is the main component of the amniotic fluid that bathes the human
fetus.
"Normally the baby 'breathes' this urine-filled amniotic fluid into its
lungs. If the urinary tract is blocked, the fetus does not produce the fluid,
and, without it, the lungs do not develop."
(G. Kolata, "Surgery on Fetuses Reveals They Heal Without Scars", The
New York Times, Medical Section, 16 August 1988)
If there is damaging NPN in urine, then there would be no live births.
Humans on the planet would be extinct. Besides floating in and breathing
in urine, the fetus also ingests the urine. How come they are not damaged
from it?
I will post the links if need be but I have found that human mother's milk contains significant amounts of NPN, double that of both prepared liquid and powdered formulas - each of which also have significant amounts of NPN in them. If NPN is detrimental to health, how in the world have we as humans survived for millions of years. In primitive (pre-agricultural) societies children were breast fed from three to six years. In modern times two years of breast feeding are highly recommended and followed by many. It has been found that children who are breast fed are healthier than those who have been given formulas, and have an average of 5% to 10% higher intelligence in adulthood, and have fewer diseases such as diabetes and cancer in adulthood. And Moreless is saying that NPN is detrimental? Does he even know what he is talking about?
If you go "vegetarian" to avoid NPN you will find that Isomil, an infants soy milk formula, has double the NPN that mother's milk has. Bovine milk also has NPN. Bovine milk is a little over 6% of the total protein.
Table 1. Nitrogen (N) Composition of Powdered Infant Formulas: Comparison with Human Milk
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* Soy milk.
a: carnitine, b: choline, c: methionine, d: inositol, e: taurine.
SD = standard deviation, TN = total nitrogen, PN = protein nitrogen, NPN = non-protein nitrogen, AaN = total free amino acid nitrogen.
I think that any deriding of human urine ingestion, which has far less NPN than either milk, mother's milk, or soy milk, is irrational.
As you can see form the table below, there is no NPN in measurable quantities in human urine:
The following are the average quantities of the various substances listed below, in 100 milliliters of urine as reported in 'Introduction to Biochemistry' by Dr. Pharon:
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Some other important constituents of Shivambu are as follows:
Enzymes
Amylase (diastase).
Lactic dehydrogenate (L. D. H.).
Leucine amino-peptidase (L. A. P.).
Urokinase.
Hormones
Catechol amines.
Hydroxy-steroids.
17-Catosteroids.
Erythropoietine.
Adenylate cyclase.
Prostaglandin's.
Sex hormones.
Miscellaneous
Copper.
Urobilinogen.
As a knowledgeable qualified doctor has pointed out, there is a strong possibility of there being several other beneficial substances not yet know to science, in addition to the above substances, present in urine.
Urokinase, an enzyme present in urine, prevents the formation of blood clots in the blood vessels, and is even capable of dissolving clots already formed. When such blood clots obstruct the flow of blood in the blood vessels of the heart a heart attack may be precipitated. Dr. Mezel of the Edgewater Hospital of Chicago, IL USA, injects urokinase into the bodies of victims of heart attacks thus aborting the attack and saving the life of the patient.
I think that Moreless is just another quack who equates human urine with fecal material.
"I think you got it all wrong pal! Its others who keep pushing him to
comment on it!
ML could care less about UT and so do those who have experienced the positive
results and understand the concept of alkalizing and mineralizing ! I think some
people want ML to acknowledge UT for some reason and keep pushing him to make
comments on something he has no need or use for !"
You are side stepping the issue. You are promoting the Moreless protocol and that's fine -as long as you do it in his forum. I'm not even denying or in opposition to his protocol. But that has nothing to do with the issue that I posted above. Nothing. Zero. The issue that I've posted above has to do with those that follow his protocol and then come to this support forum and lie to us by telling us that there is NPN in urine!!!!! That's a lie. That's the issue I'm trying to get to. It is obviously coming from Moreless who has his own forum and he can bash UT therapy all he wants in there - but don't bring his lies to this support forum.
You either didn't read the post you are responding to or you are evading the issues it raised.
Belligerent attitude? You've got it backwards.
You continue to bash me without responding to the original post. You are the one who is not only belligerent but totally ignoring the issue.
I have never called into question the pH protocol. But, I've looked at Moreless "qualifications" and they qualify him as a quack. That's a term that's thrown around here on curezone every day for qualified medical professionals and when I identify a real one you call that name calling?
You still have not only failed to respond to the original post on this thread, you have avoided it like the plague.
There I go again? What else can you call him? What are his qualifications?
You still haven't responded to the original post so you/ML must not have much to stand on.
"lol what are your credentials ! Besides urine consumption? Let me guess you and Stephan Barret are room mates!"
Still bashing - the very thing you accuse me of.
I don't have to show any credentials - I am not posting as an expert health advisor with my own forum. As far as Stephen Barrett is concerned, you and many others put him down (me too, at times), some with good reason, some not. But in the same vein you put down all of allopathic medicine.
Still can't respond to the original post, can you. Can only bash. Well best to you and your health.....
grz - I have a great deal of respect for your posts (many of 2Sirus's too) but this is one time I have to differ with you.
Following is a list of content of human urine from: http://www.hps-online.com/hurine3.htm and you will not find any NPN in it. None, zero.
If we use the amounts from your links (could easily have been aged urine or urine long exposed to oxygen) it still is about equal to the amount in human milk. So, lets assume that there is NPN in urine. Then, per the Moreless/your contention - why are children breast fed?? Also, if you wish to stay away from NPN you sure don't wish to go to soy milk because that NPN is double human milk.
Why didn't you respond to the debate thread instead of taking it to this, a support forum?
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The following are the average quantities of the various substances listed below, in 100 milliliters of urine as reported in 'Introduction to Biochemistry' by Dr. Pharon:
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Some other important constituents of Shivambu are as follows:
Enzymes
Amylase (diastase).
Lactic dehydrogenate (L. D. H.).
Leucine amino-peptidase (L. A. P.).
Urokinase.
Hormones
Catechol amines.
Hydroxy-steroids.
17-Catosteroids.
Erythropoietine.
Adenylate cyclase.
Prostaglandin's.
Sex hormones.
Miscellaneous
Copper.
Urobilinogen.