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Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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This is a reply to # 1,158,469Hey Chris,
I was going through old posts to see if I could find any on loose skin and here was this thread. My questions is this, is 53 too old for my skin to bounce back and not sag?- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? chrisb1
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,199,659Hello LivingBlessed,
well I am 55 and do not have any sagging skin at all.
However, the length of time required to reduce or eliminate sagging skin will largely depend on its severity to begin with.
A reducing diet for weight-loss will produce sagging skin, but water/dry-fasting has a habit of "tightening" the skin along with the reduction of excess weight. Post-fast exercise also has a rejuvenating effect on the skin as well, and in particular, rebound exercise is strongly recommended.
53 is not considered to be too old, where repair of any of the bodily organs is beyond redemption.......far from it: you are 53 years young.
Perhaps some of the members could vouch for this and I am thinking of Mouseclick in particular, who may wish to reply here.
Regards
Chrisb1.
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? mouseclick
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This is a reply to # 1,199,821Hi Chris, LivingBlessed and others,
Wow this is an old thread. I am 52 (not far off 53 ;)) and have been fasting on and off since November 2007.
Here's my history,
http://www.tickerfactory.com/weight-loss/wjfZGk0/
my 5 previous fasts can be clearly seen and the 6th I have just started jointly with bella lucia.
Considering that I have come down from BMI 42 (118Kg or 260lbs) to BMI 29 (83Kg or 183lbs), Im happy to say that I don't have any loose skin yet. However I do intend to come down to BMI 21 or at least under 20% body fat (any recommendations anyone?), which I think will be in the 57 to 65Kg range. So still a lot to go.
When fasting, I can visibly see my body get smaller over a period of a few days, and I am able to put my hands either side of my stomach and and squeeze the fat together, then I can see that there is a lot of skin present. If the fat disappears, I am left wondering whether or not the skin will tighten up, and how long it will take. I am also aware that the greatest changes will take place when I get thinner.
Now I think my maths is right here, but if you gradually reduce the area of a circle, namely a cross section of my body at my waist, then the greater changes in circumference will take place as the circle gets smaller. In non mathematical terms, 20 lbs of fat lost at 200 pounds wont make that much difference to your waist, but 20 lbs lost when you weigh 100 pounds will. In other words, as you get thinner, the skin has to tighten up more quickly for the same amount of weight lost. Think of a deflating airbed, the cover gets all crumply at the end. So I am a bit concerned that I may get loose skin as things progress, however I have been reassured by what people have said on this forum.
That said, I have been taking precautions, such as taking longer breaks between fasts, doing a bit of dry skin brushing now and then, and I considered cocoa butter but have not used this yet.
For me the proof will be in the pudding. I will report how things go as I progress, and will take photos if there are any problems. However it's interesting to note this reference of a rebounder again. Maybe I should get one after all.
I would be over the moon if I can get to my target weight and not suffer any loose skin, but would still be delighted if it is fairly minimal. From what I have read in this thread, fasting is the best way. Maybe dry fasting in the final stages, who knows.
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,199,836Mouseclick,
I forgot to mention to you how great I think it is that you can visibly see your body getting smaller day by day, how exciting that must be and how very proud of yourself you should be! I can only hope to have the strength you have when I start again tomorrow, looking forward to seeing my body getting smaller with no sagging skin.
My very best wishes to you for your continued success!- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? mouseclick
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This is a reply to # 1,200,156Hi LivingBlessed, thanks for your wishes! It's strange though, but as I lose weight I am getting mixed emotions. In the early stages this was increased anger and disgust for letting myself get this way in the first place, but now it's some frustration, plus a feeling of great anticipation, not knowing what to expect, as though I am about to start living for the first time, and importantly, loving myself, and even knowing myself. It's a bit annoying that it has taken me this long in life, but I have no intention whatsoever of wasting time sulking about that. Also annoying is it will take a few more months, probably. For many reasons I sometimes wish I could just get there immediately, but I have to wait and bear it. Compared with this time last year, the difference is unbelievable.
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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This is a reply to # 1,200,269Hi Mouseclick,
I know what you mean about the anger and disgust for letting yourself get in that condition in the first place because I have that feeling now. I just can't believe I gained that much weight, but I will tell you that it snuck up on me without my even noticing until it was too late. At least thats what I'm telling myself.
The good thing is I have decided that I am no longer going to live that way, and I don't just mean the added weight but the junk I've been feeding my body. It took me 50 years to realize just what a blessing our lives are and that we should take care of our bodies. Like you, I am sorry it took me so long but I always say, better late than never.
I'm so excited to finally be on this path and I look so forward to the benefits of it. I am telling myself that it took years for me to get in this shape so I can't expect it to change overnight. I'm so happy to have found this forum and I thank you for all your support. Good luck.
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- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? mouseclick
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This is a reply to # 1,200,579Hi LivingBlessed,
Yeah and when you are that weight, you kind of switch off, perhaps push people away from you, avoid relationships, maybe eat for comfort, you aren't really living.
I remember weighing now and then about 30 years ago, and noticing the scale seemed to jump up say from 11 stone 7lbs to 12st 7lbs, and I would think - was I 12 or 11 last year? I am sure it was 11. Then some months later it would be 13 stone something. And so on.
I think I read in that SAS book, Bravo two zero, or whatever it was by Andy McNabb, that you don't feel the pain of injuries in battle, but when you are captured by the enemy and thrown in a cell, then it's as if the volume is increased because everything goes quiet, and you get to feel the pain of the injuries really badly.
Now that was the sort of anguish I felt like in the early stages of fasting, I became more aware of the problem when I began to deal with it, and you may feel or have felt that too, but once you start you know there is only one way to go, and even though you know it may take several months, that's nothing compared to the years it took to put on. The choice was a no-brainer for me. I just bit my tongue and carried on.
And my view of dieting is this, a bit exaggerated I know, but eat lettuce for a month, feel lousy, lose 2 pounds, go for one teensy weensy 3 course curry and a load of beer with some friends and find you put 3 pounds back on!
Fasting however was the obvious thing. But idiots told me I would go into starvation mode and put it all back on. I believed them, but as I got older I learned to trust my better judgement, which of course led me to this forum. I don't feel bitter because it has taken so long, on the contrary I am really pleased I got here, really really pleased!! This place is like an oasis of common sense in a desert of insanity.
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This is a reply to # 1,199,821Hi Chris and Mouseclick,
Wow Chris, thank you for the info and the "you are 53 years young" I must say that I still feel like I'm in my 30's so I agree with you. I'm glad you don't have loose skin. Is the rebound thing the mini trampoline? I guess I didn't realize it would help so much, do you prefer that over walking or most other exercise? Isn't that the thing you kind of run in place on? If you think it would help I'll get one and start now.
I started my fast last week and lasted only two days because on day two I got terrible twisting stomach cramps and couldn't find any posting about that as a detox symptom and didn't get an answer to my post about it so I was really scared and broke the fast with fruit. I was also getting sick to my stomach like I was going to throw up but I found posts saying that was normal. Andrew has since told me that "The cramping isn't a usual symptom but if brought on by the fast and not triggered by something else coincidental to the fast I'd say it is 'normal' for your fast. It is past my experience though so my best advice would be to try and get the advice of an experienced fasting supervisor on the matter." I can't think of anything else it would have been brought on by because I'm healthy so I guess it was from the fast. I don't live near any fasting supervisor so I'm going to start again tomorrow and hope that doesn't happen again.
Mouseclick, thank you for all your insight and your journey of fasting, I'm going to read it all as I'm sure it will be of help to me. I'm also glad you don't have any loose skin and I hope you don't get any. I suppose the heavier a person is the more likely it is for loose skin, but fating must help that. I don't have a whole lot to lose maybe 30 or so pounds. Good luck with your new fast, please keep us up to date, I'll be watching and eager to hear.
Thanks again to you both.
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,200,041Hi LivingBlessed & Mouseclick,
Rebound exercise is the only "cellular exercise" in existence, in that it is the ONLY form of exercise that will exercise every single cell in your body, by utilising the forces of gravity: acceleration & deceleration. It profoundly & beneficially modifies our tissues, including skin tissue. No other exercise comes close, and is even recommended by NASA in the training of their Astronauts as being 70% more efficient than jogging.
Mini-trampolines are the way to go here.
I don't think that stomach cramps are anything to be unduly concerned about except for the temporary discomfort that they may cause.....................
"Functional irregularities in the stomach and intestine may cause pain because of increased peristaltic contractions that often exist in these. Marked visceroptosis, with sharp angulations, may increase the internal tension and cause discomfort or pain.
Increased peristaltic activity of the stomach walls, due to "nervousness," may also result in discomfort that is mistaken for "gas pains." Increased tension may occur in any section of the tube and thus pain or discomfort may be either general over the abdomen or may be more or less localized."..........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch28.htm
Yes. Thank you very much Mouseclick for sharing your experiences with fasting; but what may be of interest to you both, is the addition of extra Vitamin C or Ascorbate to your diets to the levels recommended by Linus Pauling and Dr Matthius Rath and other Nutritionists, from the paltry RDA of 75mg per day, to the more realistic 4000 to 6000mg per day.
Ascorbate is needed by the body to produce "collagen", in other words your skin, and what I omitted to mention in my last post is that I do also take (along with some other supplements) is 4000mg of Ascorbate per day. Probably another & main reason why I do not have sagging skin at the tenderly young age of 55.
Warm Regards
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,200,053Chris, thank you very much, this is really useful information! :) Very much appreciated. I will try the vitamin c, and I am sure bella lucia and Loosie will be much amused if I get a rebounder, haha!
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This is a reply to # 1,200,075...and guess what? I got my Reebok Rebounder today, after ordering it yesterday, for the bargain price of £35 delivered. Looks fun, have tried it out, seems a solid bit of kit.- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,201,044You will not regret the purchase of your rebounder mouseclick,
One of the many benefits of rebounding provides the necessary stimulus for pumping the lymph system, which very few other exercises do.
The blood has the heart muscle, whereas the lymph has no such mechanical pump at all, but rebounding will create the circulation of the lymph and thereby prevent lymph-related diseases....including cancer.
Go easy while fasting, but these are the benefits of rebounding........
http://www.holistichealthtools.com/rebound.html
http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/exercise/reviews/rebounding.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,201,208Chris, thank you very much for this. I have now had time to read the links, and I appreciate what you say. Will start after this fast.
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- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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This is a reply to # 1,200,053Hello Chris,
Thank you for the info on vitamin C, I never would have guessed the RDA wasn't correct, as soon as my fast is over I'll start taking that. Could you tell me is there any difference in the brands of rebounders, on better than others?- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? mouseclick
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This is a reply to # 1,200,102Hi LivingBlessed, I think Chris mentioned earlier that he thinks the more expensive the better, however he has a Reebok which he is happy with, and if you put rebounder or reebok rebounder into google and then hit the "shopping" link at the top, you should find some. In the UK, the reeboks are around £50 or less delivered. Chris will correct me if I have misquoted him but I think I am right
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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This is a reply to # 1,200,105Hi Chris and Mouseclick,
Chris never mind about that question on the rebounder, as soon as I posted it I found the thread about rebounding and saw your answer. Thank you.
Mouseclick, the only Reebok I could find are in the UK, it seems that the US doesn't carry the Reebok anymore, I was able to find the more expensive one by Needak that Chris was talking about, the difference in price is huge. Reebok in UK being from 38.00 to 50.00 I don't know how that translates in US dollars but the Needak rebounders start at $190.00 up to $240.00 US dollars. I wonder if it would be worth getting that one vs. the other off brands for $50.00? Like you said maybe I should go for the more expensive since it would cost me so much more to get the Reebok shipped here from the UK. Oh yeah, thanks for finding that thread for me, great minds think alike huh?
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,200,102Hello LivingBlessed,
re Vitamin C, just be careful not to take Ascorbic Acid in such high amounts as this can easily upset the stomach. The most preferred form of supplementation with C is Magnesium or Sodium Ascorbate in the granular or powdered form as this is non-acidic.
Chrisb1.- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? LivingBlessed
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This is a reply to # 1,200,243Hello Chris,
Thank you for that because I would have just purchased plain Vitamin C. If you don't mind my asking, how is it that you are so knowledgeable about so many things, are you in the health profession? Just wondering because your knowledge is so vast.- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,200,572Hello LivingBlessed,
There can be occasions in life that can provide a powerful impetus and motivating force in pursuing interests and subjects that have had a profound influence over you: in my own case, the recovery from Leukemia 30 years ago thru Natural Hygiene & Fasting, when Orthodox Medicine had failed me.
From that time onwards I have had an almost zealous interest in those subjects and Nutrition in general, and have spent that time in educating myself in true health care and wellness generally.
As a result of these years of study, I mainly have contempt for what passes off as mainstream health-care and pseudo-recovery, with corporate interests that are only concerned with prestige and mercenary incentives. The innocent participants are those Doctors and health-workers within the Mainstream Medical paradigm, and I do not personally blame them for their brainwashed approach in the treatment of disease.
Mainstream do have their advantages in the care of trauma cases and emergencies & diagnostics, where they truly do excel, but within the realm of chronic & acute disease and care, mainstream medicine are next to useless in their treatment modalities and so-called cures.
I have recently lost two of the most important people in my life to cancer: my father, & my closest and lifelong friend. They would not listen to my testimony, even though they knew I am a living witness & testimonial to the efficacy of Alternatives, which in most cases is far far more effective in the treatment of disease, resulting in the realistic expectation of a normal longevity and a robustly healthy & fulfilling life.
Regards
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,158,191
I've been wanting to do a longer cleanse because I just feel so "filthy" - for lack of a better word. After reading up on the subject of extended fasting I began to wonder about the effect it has on the skin. I don't have any major scars. The worst would be a keloid about the size of a quarter on my knee from about 20 years ago. Now stretch marks I've got!!! Let's hope them to be a thing of the past after my fasting.
Fonty, can I ask how many fasts you've done and the duration? You're truly an inspiration!
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? Fonty
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This is a reply to # 1,158,727My fasts last year to lose the 40 of my 140 kgs were short to medium length. I started with a 5 day dry fast, then went to a 14 day Water Fast and then did a series of dry fasts, the longest being seven days. I also did a one or two more ten or eleven day fasts as well. Over three months I fasted half the days and the other half I ate mostly raw foods- more than 90% raw.
Starting out obese and with Depression as well and being a single father having to keep up with two active young kids the duration of the fasts was mostly cut short due to my wanting to stay active with my children. They were my main motivation for fasting anyway, just wanting to be able to run around the park with them was enough to keep me going. I had stopped doing that when I nearly broke my coccyx sliding down a slide many years ago due to my being too big to take the fall. Since then I have stayed raw and kept fasting but no more than 5 days at a time since. I have kept the weight that I lost off but not been able to finish the job so far. My 'failure' to complete what I started isn't really a problem in itself as I am quite fit and healthy as I am now, but I do continue to try- I am on day three of my current fast.
The challenges I have to face right now are just rather close to impossible so it's been enough just to maintain what I had already gained. It would be nice to go the last mile though at some stage! :)
Before I became obese I also fasted for 30 days while working and doing strenuous karate classes each week. That was far easier than fasting while obese and having lived on junk food for many years prior!
My ex thought stretch marks were permanent too. She used to try heaps of topical remedies but nothing really effected them at all. I had them on my belly and the inside of my upper arms.
Andrew.
- Re: Fasting To Heal Scars? bling
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This is a reply to # 1,158,727
Your excitement leaps of the page. lol, i really hope it works for you. At your tender age of just 20, it is not nice having stretch marks, especially when you have got nice and slim and must be eager to wear summer shorts, bikini etc.
Have you tried Bio oil. They advertise on the tv. It is supposed to lessen the appearance of scars and stretchmarks, and evens out skin tone. I've just bought some from the healthstore for dry skin. I'm hoping fasting will improve that in time.
I expect with fasting the skin is the last thing to benefit, it has to deal with everything else first, once you see the difference in skin, just think how wonderfully healthy you must be on the inside. Great isn't it.
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