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Humans, and other primates are one of the very few species that don't create their own Vitamin C in the form of Ascorbic Acid. We're missing one of the enzymes, so we have to get it in our diet.
So when an animal fasts, I guess their bodies will be getting vitamin c during the fasting process. But what happens with us? How can our tissues regenerate when Vitamin C is involved in so many of those processes? We don't store it as it is a water soluble vitamin and not fat soluble, it should be completely gone within a day or two.
So how can humans fast for weeks without it, and do we get the same benefits from fasting that an animal would when the animal would be generating lots of vitamin c?- Re: Vitamin C chrisb1
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,153,728Hello #90563,
Vitamin C or Ascorbate deficiency is not an issue for anyone on a water-fast, unless the faster has been inadequately supplied Vitamin C in their pre-fast diet: I cannot recollect anyone within the annals of fasting literature, from the beginnings of Natural Hygiene in the mid 1800's, who suffered from scurvy for example.
Dr. Jackson says that: "In scurvy, the gums are markedly congested and swollen in about 80 per cent of adult human cases, * * * The alveolar bone and peridental membrane undergoes necrosis, with consequent loosening of the teeth, and ulcerations or pyorrhea may occur.
In pyorrhea we see inflammation and ulceration of the gums, pus formation, loosening of the teeth, necrosis of the jaw, and even falling out of the teeth. In numerous cases of pyorrhea that we have cared for, the gum inflammation has subsided, the ulcers have healed, pus formation has ceased and the loosened teeth have become firmly fixed in their sockets, and all of this has occurred while the patient was fasting. The effects of fasting must not be confused with the effects of a white-flour-lard-pie-pasteurized-milk-mashed-potato-diet.
Not only do such conditions not develop during even a prolonged fast, but they are improved and many of their symptoms completely removed by a fast. This remarkable evidence of the value of fasting is explained by the fact that there is a disproportionate loss of the various constituent elements of the body during the fast and a redistribution of some of these, which results in a near approach to normal body chemistry."
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch18.htm
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Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,153,749i would also like to add (and i reported this in my blog just yesterday!) that i've always noticed when flossing (for as long as i can remember) that my gums toward the back were slightly irritated. after just seven days of fasting, this irritation has completely disappeared!!! of all the things i expected from my fast, this was never even something that crossed my mind, but i'm very happy about it :)
- Re: Vitamin C (Edited) chrisb1
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,153,891Thank you for your input bella lucia,
I am also aware that fasting has been reported to even arrest tooth decay, prevent dental caries, and eradicate gum disease, but cannot remember the location of the reference for the moment (not like me)!!
The extent of healing with fasting is really quite remarkable.
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Chrisb1.
Eureka !!!Found it.................
Shelton..........
"I have conducted thousands of fasts and I have never seen any injury accrue to the teeth therefrom. No one makes a trip to the dentist after a fast who would not have gone there had the fast not been taken. Mr. Pearson records that at the end of his fast, "teeth with black cavities became white and clear, all decay seemed to be arrested by the fast, and there was no more tooth-ache."
The only effects upon the teeth which I have observed to occur during a fast are improvements. I have seen teeth that were loose in their sockets become firmly fixed while fasting. I have seen diseased gums heal up while fasting. But I have never, at any time, observed any injurious effects upon the teeth during or after a fast, regardless of the age of the faster and the duration of the fast. This applies only to good teeth. Fasting does sometimes cause fillings to become loose.
Although I have always regarded the loosening of fillings in teeth as due to the extraction of the salts of the bad teeth, some of my students have brought up the question: Is the loss of the filling due to an effort of Nature to dislodge a foreign body preparatory to healing the tooth? This question is worthy of study."
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch7.htm
- Re: Vitamin C hopinso
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This is a reply to # 1,154,030I have read anecdotal reports of people with abscessed or "dead" teeth having them painlessly fall out when on long fasts while healthy teeth are unaffected. I would imagine that as the body begins to digest waste materials like abscesses, infections and fungi in longer fasts, it would make sense that unhealthy or diseased cells would slough off and be eliminated while healthy tissue remains vital. The human body seems to possess the innate wisdom to rid itself of the diseased and the unnecessary materials when fasting long before it starts on healthy tissue. The average person should not have problems with deficiencies as long as they fast in a safe and sane manner. There is more likelihood of damage to health with a continuous bad diet than a well executed fast.- Re: Vitamin C chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,154,206That is absolutely right hopinso.
Your post reflects the experience of all the Natural Hygienic Doctors that I have had the privilege to study.
Regards.
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,153,728It is particularly to prove to ourselves that these so called facts of modern medicine are fallacies that many of us have to first take shorter fasts before starting the longer ones. Science rules our minds even though we find fault in it often enough that there should be a healthy amount of doubt in everyone's minds about it's conclusions.
Here is a fact that they don't consider. The RDI's and the solid fact that we cannot metabolise certain nutrients within our bodies is based on people who eat cooked foods as the mainstay of their diets. Cooked foods and three meals a day no less. People who don't feed themselves properly and who don't allow the digestion system the rest it needs to maintain health and restore the healthy balance that cooked foods are often not able to keep up.
Emzymes can be produced within the digestive system that modern Science knows little about because they don't realise that it has any more purpose than to break down the food we provide them with. Giving the body a rest from digestion is an important part of any healthy lifestyle.
If they would do their research on people who live more on raw foods and especially on those who fast as well they would certainly be surprised at what they found. I would volunteer in a second if there was anyone out there who would bother to do the studies.
Andrew.- Re: Vitamin C golthing
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This is a reply to # 1,154,100It's my opinion that eating LESS is far more important that what you eat. Please note that I don't necessarily practice what I preach in this matter.
With a lower intake, even with less healthy food, the body has a better chance at processing the matter.
With an aesthetic diet (raw or otherwise), if you overeat, your body will still have to work hard to process all the matter, overwhelming the system. Granted, there should be less toxins to deal with, but I believe that we are equipped to deal with a "normal" amount of toxins.- Re: Vitamin C bling
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Golthing i agree,
I find it amazing that the body heals gums, loose teeth etc on a fast. It goes to prove we have got the reserves for all that healing, the body just needs time to do the work.
We are always told, you need Vit C for this or B for that, but the body does the job anyway. So do we need as much as we think?
So quality over quantity is the name of the game, i think.
Don't take this the wrong way, but you give such good advice, and far better to leave belief system out of the equation, as it just rubs everyone up the wrong way. So nice to see you here just giving out your pearls of wisdom.
I'm doing intermittent fasting at the moment. Dinner to Dinner basically. I can't seem to go longer than 3 days, and feel a bit of a failure, but the discipline of IF is good, gives my digestion a rest and hopefully gets rid of some toxins, and i believe good preparation for a longer fast at some stage.
I think my digestion is a bit impaired from hypo, as find breaking after a few days gives my digestion a hard time, and reading some of the stories of others breaking and having a problem, it worries me a bit. My husband had no trouble after a few days whereas i did, we used bragg method at the time. I need to be more careful and use fruit or juice i think.
I read you are doing a week a month, umm so that forces you to eat nothing or eat healthily for at least 2 weeks of every month, requires such discipline though, not sure if i'm there yet lol
The annoying thing is, If i could manage longer fast, i know it would heal my digestion. I just can't seem to do it.
Anyone know how long that would take approx?
- Re: Vitamin C chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,154,708Hello golthing,
I don't really think that your comment "that eating LESS is far more important that WHAT you eat" which really flies in the face of the nutrition we actually need. Try eating LESS with an exclusive McDonalds diet for example!! The film "Super Size Me" put that to one to rest I think.
It is true to say that eating less is much healthier than eating more to a degree, but as long as we feed the body what it needs biologically, then we will remain in good health. A Raw-food organic and plant based diet fits this purpose; however, a low calorie diet has been shown to achieve much greater longevity, which fits the description of the previously named diet perfectly.
A reduced intake of food will be easier to handle by the body, but when that food intake is of a high quality AND combined correctly, an increased intake of food is handled just as easily. Weight gain for example, is easily caused by mixing predominantly protein foods and starch foods at the same meal; if this were to be avoided, then weight is lost, rather than gained, because of the avoidance of putrefaction and fermentation. Toxins are also kept to an absolute minimum.
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This is a reply to # 1,154,940I'm a little more of the "all things in moderation" type, of course not all. If something is a known offender, it doesn't land in the all category. For instance, Mountain Dew containing Bromide lands on my banished list.
As a Christian, the Bible says to eat what is placed before you. Most of the time, you are in control of this. But occasionally, you will be somebody's guest, whether you are a Christian or not.
I have some vegetarian friends and we frankly don't like having them over as they are a pain in the you know what. Not only are they vegetarian, which we can work around, but one day they brought over some vegan burgers as we were having a barbecue and they didn't want their burgers to touch any part on the grill that had been exposed to meat. Fortunately, the grill was new, but that's a little weird since Science tells us that the residual left on the grill is simply carbon. Sure the atoms came from an animal, but many of the atoms in produce came from animals as well. Such a diet has transcended sanity.
So if I am a guest at somebody's house and they serve me Big Mac's with Mountain Dew, I'm going to eat it and not be too concerned. But I'm not going to make a habit of it. The only other option is to offend them by saying that their food is inadequate.
The supersize me movie was not just about eating only McDonalds, but eating the larger portions, thus the "super size". "super size" is the larger fries, gigantic soda, etc.
One friend of mine drinks four or five diet pepsi's a day and eats frozen microwave lunches. He's in good health. There are too many variables to dogmatically say that a raw diet is the best way to go.
Fortunately, fasting improves our desire for more natural foods. Personally, I've had more desire for eggs, which are almost always cooked. I've had an increased desire for fruits and vegetables, both raw and cooked. I've had a greatly diminished desire for sweets and processed foods. I still love meat, but am more cautious of the genetically engineered stuff at the local supermarket. There is a huge difference in the meat one gets at the store and what it was intended to be. The grass-fed free-range cattle are much healthier than the grain fed stuff you buy in the store.- Re: Vitamin C chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,155,108Hi golthing,
I would expand the saying of "all things in moderation" to read "all things beneficial in moderation". It just depends on your own point of view and what you see as important and of value to your health.
The Bible also refers to the food of man................
GENESIS 1:29-30.
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all creatures that move on the ground----everything that has the breath of life in it---I give every green plant for food" And it was so.
Vegetarianism can produce cranks as in any other walk of life, but (correct me if I am wrong) but I was always led to believe that being a Christian was also about tolerance and the love for ones fellow man.
One little known fact, is that whether someone is a meat-eater, strict vegetarian, herbivore, omnivore or whatever, the nutrition ultimately comes from the vegetable kingdom.
Carnivores by definition, eat other animals, but they also eat the WHOLE animal, including the blood, organs, flesh and so on; these consumed animals, for the most part, feed on grasses and plants and other nutritious elements from the vegetable kingdom. So, one way or another, ALL animals derive their nutrition from the vegetable kingdom, either directly or indirectly.
I think any host would respect the dietary wishes of their guests by enquiring beforehand if there is any item or classification of foods that they do not eat, out of respect for them, and abide with this whether they themselves agree or disagree.
There are usually ways and means of avoiding any uneasiness about what is actually available on the table.
Your friend who drinks four to five pepsis per day and eats frozen microwaved (or nuked) lunches, doesn't really know for sure if he/she is healthy or not; what may appear to be healthy outwardly, doesn't necessarily reflect what is going on inwardly.
Your comment that "there are too many variables to dogmatically say that a raw diet is the best way to go".
However, a raw plant-based diet has been ordained by God in GENESIS 1: 29-30.
I agree with this paragraph except for the meat and Genetically-Modified food.
"Personally, I've had more desire for eggs, which are almost always cooked. I've had an increased desire for fruits and vegetables, both raw and cooked. I've had a greatly diminished desire for sweets and processed foods. I still love meat, but am more cautious of the genetically engineered stuff at the local supermarket. There is a huge difference in the meat one gets at the store and what it was intended to be. The grass-fed free-range cattle are much healthier than the grain fed stuff you buy in the store."
Regards
Chrisb1.
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