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Which of the figures on the video do you disagree with? Why don't you go back and write down each one and come back with some cut and paste rebuttals. One problem - most of those figures I have seen are from mainstream sources.
I will throw you this bone - I like and agree with a lot Mercola has to say. However, I believe that Mercola has cranked up his marketing to the point of turning me off and it does detract from his messages. In my opinion, at least. I also disagree with his no-grains diet for most (over 90%) of the people.
I better stop now before a civil and intelligent discussion breaks out amongst the hype here . . . .
DQ
You had a window of opportunity there, piglet. Like a fact, you failed to recognize it.
OK then, the band is now playing De Guello for you - and I will pounce on your death jabbing pork butt every time you dare suggest that we stick poisons into our children, our elderly or ourselves instead of practicing good hygiene and natural immune boosting.
DQ
Resorting to disgusting lies is only going to make it that much worse, despicable little creature.
Find me one person who has ever taken properly made and taken colloidal silver and turned blue. Or even been harmed.
Likewise, find me one person who has ever taken properly made oleander and ever been harmed. For that matter, find one person who has ever taken anything I recommended who has ever been harmed.
Until you do, your words are just empty and insignificant animal sounds and all here know it. In other words, I am calling you out to either put up or shut up. If you do not, you may consider this a very similar warning to one I gave you before. You didn't listen and look where you ended up. I am afraid the next exit door will not even be that lenient.
Given your repeated accusations without merit, I can only conclude that you are a disgusting liar and you really have no depth you will not sink to in order to peddle your slime in a syringe.
BTW, just awhile ago I took some milk thistle, colloidal silver, oleander extract, vitamin D3, selenium, alpha lipoic acid, l-carnitine, bromelain, and coconut oil. Ate some baby spinach, carrots, raw almonds and tomatoes and drank a glass of Odwalla's superfoods juice. Can anyone fathom preferring that over a tasty DB vaccine?
You see little pig, it always comes back to this: You may squeal as you may, cut and paste mainstream propaganda to your heart's content, and try however else you might, but what you cannot do is escape the fact that YOU are the one who was identified as a troll tool and repeatedly warned before being banished from ALL support forums because of YOUR unrepentent mainstream piles of propaganda and YOU are still trying to feed us the same tired old profit driven company bowls of dung from the same folks who once fed us great heaping bowls of about Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco being safe - and who still maintain that gardasil, fosamax, Aspartame, and all your precious other vaccines are safe.
I, on the other hand, give people the same message as that of natural healers going back to Hippocrates and the oriental healer thousands of years before him: The best health comes from a healthy diet, lifestyle and taking advantage of the healing provided by nature in such a way as to maintain a strong immune system - man's natural first line ofdefense against disease and illness. And the best treatment of disease and illness comes from naturally addressing not only the symptoms but the underlying causes and the health of the overall body.
For you to dispute me, you have to maintain that Hippocrates and man's greatest natural healers, God and nature itself are all quacks, and that modern man is God. And you must do so with no evidence whatsoever that my advice has ever harmed anyone.
As far as my own proof, one has but to look at the nation's graveyards to see the millions that mainstream medicine, including vaccines, has killed. And the many millions more who died prematurely because the evil bastards you serve put profits ahead of humanity.
DQ
What an incredible dunce you are! Leave it to you to try to refute me in my own major area of research by quoting distorted mainstream sources as your proof.
OK, dim bulb, you say there is no proof of oleander working. You must enjoy having a lance up your anus. At any rate, best bend over because I am about to thoroughly skewer you once again.
First of all, Doctor H. Z. Ozell has used an oleander extract virtually identical to the one I write about for 45 years. During that time, not one person has died as a result of the oleander and he has had a documented success rate that averages over 70% for a broad range of cancers. many of which were late term cancers that chemo and radiation had failed to help. Truly remarkable results when you consider that he has used oleander ONLY as a complimenary medicine and thus either used it together with chemo and/or radiation or after those treatments have failed.
Oleander has been used medicinally for at least 4500 years - dating back to the ancient Mesopotamians ad Phoenicians. It's first recorded use against cancer was in the 8th century BC by the Egyptians. Since it was re-discovered by Dr. Ozell and turned into a pateted medicine it has been the subject of numerous studies - the most recent of which was led by noted MD Anderson researcher Dr. Robert Newman, which used deadly pancreatic cell lines, and demonstrated that oleander induces and increases autophagy, a natural body mechanism which encapsulates cells and signals for them to be cannibalized and destroyed.
"The new study provided an important new piece of evidence in understanding why oleander has proven to be successful against many forms of cancer. In previous studies on oleander, many of which were also led by Dr. Newman, oleander extracts have been shown to 1) inhibit angiogenesis, the process where cancer produces blood vessels and spreads, 2) inhibit the NF-kB factor in cancer cells, which is the process that cells use to protect themselves when they come under attack, 3) induce apoptosis, or normal cell death, in cancer cells, and 4) greatly stimulate immune activity."
Perhaps that explains why there are pancreatic cancer victims who have used oleander who are still alive years after their diagnosis when normally a person survives only two to six months with pancreatic cancer.
For the rest of the story: http://www.tbyil.com/autophagy.htm
And for the study itself: http://tbyil.com/Autophagic_Cell_Death.pdf
Insofar as the lack of other evidence, here is a partial list:
"Anti-Cancer Drugs 2000", 11, pp. 455-463
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AnvirzeI™, an extract of Nerium oleander, induces cell death in human but not murine [mouse] cancer cells
Sen Pathak,1,2 Asha S Multani,1 Satya Narayan,3 Virendra Kumar3 and Robert A Newman4 Departments of 1 Cancer Biology and 2 Laboratory Medicine, and 4 Pharmaceutical Development Center, University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030, USA. 3 Shands Cancer Center and Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32610, USA.
Anvirzel™ (oleander extract) is a novel antitumor compound extracted from a flowering plant, N. oleander, belonging to the family Apocynaceae. Anvirzel™ consists of several compounds, including complex polysaccharides, proteins and individual sugars. It contains non-water soluble compounds, and two of these have been specifically identified by molecular weight and fragmentation characterization as Oleandrin and Oleandrigenin (Newman et al., unpublished observations). These two compounds of Anvirzel™, and possibly a third one, are cytotoxic. In the present studies, we examined the cytotoxicity of Anvirzel™ and Oleandrin on cancer cell lines of human, murine and canine origin. Our results from tests on cultures of two human prostate cancer cell lines, PC-3M and C4-2, and a murine melanoma cell line, K1735-X21, treated with Anvirzel™ and Oleandrin indicate several novel features: (i) neither Anvirzel™ nor Oleandrin showed any cytotoxic effect on murine melanoma K1735-X21 cells, (ii) when using even low drug concentrations human prostate cancer PC-3M cells showed significant susceptibility to cell killing, (iii) the cell killing is apparently mediated through the loss of telomeric DNA, followed by the arrest of cells in G2/M phase, induction of endomitosis, extensive DNA fragmentation, reduced levels of TRF2 and finally cell death, (iv) FACS analysis revealed induction of cell death in a dose and duration dependent manner in the human PC-3M cell line, followed by a saturation effect.
In earlier studies, Anvirzel™ was shown to have toxic effects on cells, decreasing the level of fibroblast growth factor-2. 15 Whether Anvirzel™ and its derivative Oleandrin exert their cytotoxic effects through inducing aberrations of chromosome morphology, polyploidy and cell death is not known. Because Anvirzel™ is known to have antitumor activity, we investigated the mechanism of cancer cell death in a variety of cancer cell lines of human, murine and canine origin. Our results show that both AnvirzelTM and Oleandrin are potent cell death inducers in two human prostate cancer cell lines.
Also interesting was the finding of a loss of telomere length and its correlation with TRF2 levels in the different cancer cell lines after their treatment with Anvirzel™.
A role for TRF2 has been implicated in telomere loss and end-to-end fusion of chromosomes leading to apoptosis; these results thus suggest that Anvirzel™-induced cell killing may be caused by the reduced levels of TRF2 in these cell lines and TRF2 reduction may be one mechanism of action whereby these drugs induce cancer cell apoptosis.
Conclusion
This study has shown that, in vitro, both Anvirzel™ and its derivative compound Oleandrin are highly cytotoxic to human prostate cancer cells.
Finally, Anvirzel™ and Oleandrin both have the potential to be used in chemotherapy for a variety of human cancer types. Studies evaluating such therapies are in progress at our Cancer Center.
"American Association for Cancer Research, Volume 60, Number 14, July 15, 2000", pp. 3807-3812 and 3838-3847 (2 Articles)
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Cardiac Glycoside Stimulate CA2+ Increases and Apoptosis in Androgen-independent, Metastatic Human Prostate Adenocarcinoma Cells
David J. McConkey,1 Yun Lin, Leta K. Nutt, Huseyin Z. Ozel, and Robert A. Newman Departments of Cancer Biology [D.J.M., L. K. N. J.] and Experimental Therapeutics [Y. L., R. A. N.]. University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030. and Ozelle Pharmaceuticals, Inc., San Antonio, Texas 78230 [H. Z. O.]
Abstract
Cardiac glycosides are used clinically to increase contractile force in patients with cardiac disorders. Their mechanism of action is well established and involves inhibition of the plasma membrane Na+ /K+ -ATPase, leading to alterations in intracellular K+ and Ca2+ levels. Here, we report that the cardiac glycosides oleandrin, ouabain, and digoxin induce apoptosis in androgen-independent human prostate cancer cell lines in vitro. Cell death was associated with early release of cytochrome c from mitochondria, followed by proteolytic processing of caspases 8 and 3. Oleandrin also promoted caspase activation, detected by cleavage poly (ADP-ribose) polymerase and hydrolysis of a peptide substrate (DEVD-pNA). Comparison of the rates of apoptosis in poorly metastatic PC3 M-Pr04 and highly metastatic PC3 M-LN4 subclones demonstrated that cell death was delayed in the latter because of a delay in mitochondrial cytochrome c release. Single-cell imaging of intracellular Ca2+ fluxes demonstrated that the proapoptotic effects of the cardiac glycosides were linked to their abilities to induce sustained Ca2+ increases in the cells. Our results define a novel activity for cardiac glycosides that could prove relevant to the treatment of metastatic prostate cancer.
Report - Article 2
Oleandrin Suppresses Activation of nuclear Transcription Factor-kB, Activator Protein-1 and c-Jun NH2-Terminal Kinase1
Sunil K. Manna, Nand K. Sah,2 Robert A. Newman, Angela Cisneros, and Bharat B. Aggarwal3 Cytokine Research laboratory, Department of Bioimmunotherapy [S. K. M., N. K. S., B.B.A.], and Pharmaceutical Development Center [R. A. N., C. J.], University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030
Abstract
Agents that can suppress the activation of nuclear factor-kB (NF-kB) and activator protein-l (AP-l) may be able to block tumorigenesis and inflammation. Oleandrin, a polyphenolic cardiac glycoside derived from the leaves of Nerium oleander, is a candidate NF-kB and AP-l modulator. We investigated the effect of oleandrin on NF-kB activation induced by inflammatory agents. Oleandrin blocked tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-induced activation of NF-kB in a concentration- and time-dependent manner. This effect was mediated through inhibition of phosphorylation and degradation of IkB α, an inhibitor of NF-kB. A proprietary hot water extract of oleander (AnvirzelTM) also blocked TNF-induced NF-kB activation; subsequent fractionation of the extract revealed that this activity was attributable to oleandrin. The effects of oleandrin were not cell type specific, because it blocked TNF-induced NF-kB activation in a variety of cells. NF-kB-dependent reporter gene transcription activated by TNF was also suppressed by oleandrin. The TNF -induced NF-kB activation cascade involving TNF receptor l/TNF receptor-associated death domain/TNF receptor-associated factor 2/NF-kB-inducing kinase/IkB α kinase was interrupted at the TNF receptor-associated factor 2 and NF-kB-inducing kinase sites by oleandrin, thus suppressing NF-kB reporter gene expression. Oleandrin blocked NF-kB activation induced by phorbol ester and lipopolysaccharide. Oleandrin also blocked AP-l activation induced by TNF and other agents and inhibited the TNF-induced activation of c-Jun NH2-terminal kinase. Overall, our results indicate that oleandrin inhibits activation of NF-kB and AP-l and their associated kinases. This may provide a molecular basis for the ability of oleandrin to suppress inflammation and perhaps tumorigenesis.
"Journal of Herbal Pharmacotherapy, Volume 1, Number 3, 2001", pp. 1-17
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Composition and Preliminary Pharmacology Studies with AnvirzelTM: An Extract of Nerium oleander
Robert A. Newman, PhD, Angela Cisneros, MS, Edward Felix, MS, Mary Vijjeswarapu, BS, Yun Lin, BS, Peiying Yang, PhD, Parastoo Azadi, PhD Pharmaceutical Development Center, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030
Abstract
Initial identification and characterization of the major biochemical and biological properties of AnvirzelTM, a patented hot-water extract of Nerium oleander, were undertaken using HPLC, LC/MS, and in vitro cell growth inhibition assays. Analyses using high pH anion exchange chromatography with electrochemical detection consistently revealed seven major polysaccharide peaks which were subsequently designated as a "carbohydrate fingerprint." Analyses of monomer sugar composition revealed glucose and galacturonic acid as major carbohydrate residues, while carbohydrate linkage studies identified glucopyranosyl and 6-glucopyranosyl as major terminal carbohydrate residues. Nonpolar compounds were separated from polar components through solid phase extraction and analyzed by both reverse phase HPLC and LC/MS methods. Two nonpolar cytotoxic components, oleandrin and its aglycone, oleandrigenin, were detected. Quantitative analysis showed that the oleander extract contained oleandrin and oleandrigenin at concentrations of 2.5 and 4.4 μ g/mg extract, respectively. Five proteins with molecular weights of 6, 20, 35, 68, and 150 kD were also identified in the oleander extract although their functions remain unknown. Cytotoxicity studies showed oleandrin to be a potent growth inhibitory compound against human melanoma BRO cells with an IC50 of 4.0 ng/ml. In the same test system, the IC50 values for oleandrigenin and the complete oleander extract against human melanoma cells were 17.0 ng/ml and 1.6 (μg/ml, respectively. This initial characterization and pharmacology research has served as a basis for quality control studies for the production and subsequent clinical Phase I trial of AnvirzelTM .
"Biochemical Pharmacology 62(4), (2001)", pp. 469-472
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Inhibition of export of fibroblast growth factor-2 (FGF-2) from the prostate cancer cell lines PC3 and DU145 by Anvirzel and its cardiac glycoside component, oleandrin
Judith A. Smitha, Timothy Maddenb,c, Mary Vijjeswarapub, Robert A. Newmanb,c,*, a Division of Pharmacy, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030, USA, b Pharmaceutical Development Center, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX 77030, USA, c Department of Experimental Therapeutics, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Box 52, 1515 Holcombe Blvd., Houston, TX 77030, USA
Abstract
AnvirzelTM is an extract of Nerium oleander currently undergoing Phase I clinical evaluation as a potential treatment for cancer. Two of the active components of AnvirzelTM are the cardiac glycosides oleandrin and oleandrigenin. Previous studies have demonstrated that, in vitro, cardiac glycosides may inhibit fibroblast growth factor-2 (FGF-2) export through membrane interaction with the Na+,K+-ATPase pump. In continuing research on the antitumor activity of this novel plant extract, the relative abilities of oleandrin and oleandrigenin to inhibit FGF-2 export from two human prostate cancer cell lines, DUl45 and PC3, were examined. An ELISA assay was utilized to determine the FGF-2 concentration in the cell culture medium before and after exposure to cardiac glycosides or the parent extract material AnvirzelTM . Both cell lines were exposed to non-cytotoxic concentrations of oleandrin (0.05 and 0.1 ng/mL) for up to 72 hr. Studies also were conducted with AnvirzelTM and ouabain. Oleandrin (0.1 ng/mL) produced a 45.7% inhibition of FGF-2 release from PC3 cells and a 49.9% inhibition from DU145 cells. Non-cytotoxic concentrations (100 ng/mL) of AnvirzelTM produced a 51.9 and 30.8% inhibition of FGF-2 release, respectively, in the two cell lines. The decrease in FGF-2 release from cells required continuous incubation for 48-72 hr; shorter incubation times were not effective. These results demonstrate that AnvirzelTM , like oleandrin, inhibited FGF-2 export in vitro from PC3 and DUI45 prostate cancer cells in a concentration- and time-dependent fashion and may, therefore, contribute to the antitumor activity of this novel treatment for cancer.
"Cancer Letters 185, (2002)", pp. 145-151
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Enhancement of radiotherapy by oleandrin is a caspase-3 dependent process
Sachiko Nasua, Luka Milasa, Shinichiro Kawabea, Uma Rajua, Robert A. Newmanb,*, a Department of Experimental Radiation Oncology, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, 1515 Holcombe Boulevard, Houston, TX 77030-4009, USA, b Pharmaceutical Development Center, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, 8000 El Rio, Houston, TX 77054, USA
Abstract
Cardiac glycosides such as digitoxin and ouabain have previously been shown to be selectively cytotoxic to tumor as opposed to normal cells. Moreover, this class of agents has also been shown to act as potent radiosensitizers. In the present study we explored the relative radiosensitization potential of oleandrin, a cardiac glycoside contained within the plant extract known as AnvirzelTM that recently underwent a Phase I trial as a novel drug for anticancer therapy. The data show that oleandrin produces an enhancement of sensitivity of PC-3 human prostate cells to radiation; at a cell survival of 0.1, the enhancement factor was 1.32. The magnitude of radiosensitization depended on duration of exposure of cells to drug prior to radiation treatment. While a radiosensitizing effect of oleandrin was evident with only 1 h of cell exposure to drug, the effect greatly increased with 24 h oleandrin pretreatment. Susceptibility of PC-3 cells to oleandrin and radiation-induced apoptosis was dependent on activation of caspase-3. Activation was greatest when cells were exposed simultaneously to oleandrin and radiation. Inhibition of caspase¬3 activation with Z-DEVD-FMK abrogated the oleandrin-induced enhancement of radiation response suggesting that both oleandrin and radiation share a caspase-3 dependent mechanism of apoptosis in the PC-3 cell line.
"Journal of Experimental Therapeutics and Oncology 2, (2002)", pp. 1-8
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Murine pharmacokinetics and metabolism of oleandrin, a cytotoxic component of Nerium oleander
Dan Ni, Timothy L. Madden, Mary Johansen, Edward Felix, Dah H. Ho, and Robert A. Newman, Pharmaceutical Development Center, University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, TX.
Abstract
Pharmacokinetic studies of [3H]oleandrin, a cardiac glycoside component of AnvirzelTM, were conducted in mice after either an i.v. dose (40 μ g/kg) or a p.o. dose (80 μ g/kg). Oleandrin was rapidly absorbed after oral dosing (Cmax at 20 min) although the elimination half life was longer (2.3 ± 0.5 h) than that after i.v. dosing (0.4 ± 0.1 h). The AUC0-co values obtained after i.v. and p.o. dosing were 24.6 ± 11.1 and 14.4 ± 4.3 [(ng/ml)h], respectively, resulting in an oral bioavailability of approximately 30%. After i.v. administration, oleandrin concentration in liver was approximately twice that measured in heart or kidney tissue. Oleandrigenin, the aglycone of oleandrin, was also found in these tissues. At 5 min, >60% of the total radioactivity in liver was due to oleandrin while 28% of the given dose was present as oleandrigenin. Twenty-four hours following injection, 8% of total radioactivity was excreted in urine and contained both oleandrigenin (4.4% of the injected dose) and oleandrin (1.9%). Sixty-six percent of injected radioactivity was found in feces and consisted of oleandrin and oleandrigenin in equal amounts. Uptake of oleandrin in brain after i.p. injection of oleandrin (3 mg/kg) or oleander extract (700 mg/kg) was examined. Measured by LC/MS/MS, oleandrin content in brain was higher following injection of extract than it was with an equivalent dose of oleandrin. The data suggest that components within oleander extract may enhance transport of oleandrin across the blood brain barrier.
Want more?
I think that should be enough to make simple excreting functions rather painful for you for the near future, but while you are squirming, here is another tidbit for you to tuck in the area closest to your brain: Oleander extract, the exact same oleander extract I write about and recommend, has passed FDA phase I trials. Do you know what phase I trials are for? TOXICITY. And do you know what they found? No unsafe toxic level was ever reached. Instead the dosage reached a point beyond which it was impractical to increase.
And here is the final irony for you: If a major pharmaceutical firm were to pick up the rest of the hundreds of millions it takes to complete the FDA trials, oleander would be an official approved drug and you would be promoting it to the high heavens.
Now, having failed miserably, let's return to the original proposition you dodged: Once again, the task is simple: find me one person who took properly made uncontaminated colloidal silver and turned blue or was harmed in any way. Just one. Find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so you and your mentor troll resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Mainstream medicine sold their souls for profit a long time ago. Not sure when you and C sold yours, but the transaction is apparent and you continue to reveal yourself with each additional pathetic post you make here.
DQ (aka Tony Isaacs)
Stop dodging the issues, DB. Here is what you are faced with:
When it comes to credibility in general, you cannot escape the fact that what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
When it comes to your lies and attacks on me, it comes to this: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
From now on, you can consider my pointing out your masters and my challenge to your mistruths as part of my standard signature in any reply I make. Try as you might, you cannot avoid them.
I think you are just sore-arsed. Understandable given the reamings you are getting here, only to follow up by sticking your head in the same spot - but you have only yourself to blame. Instead of making it worse with nonsense rebuttals like you just made, perhaps you should take your head out and try a soothing sits-bath in some epsom salts.
If you keep this up and continue to hold to mainstream treatments, I fear that someday you will end up being de-capitated by laser hemorrhoid surgery.
DQ
DB,
What does this link have to do with anything? What does your post have to do with anything? It is you who simply, don't get it. Oh, excuse me, you don't want to get it. I am convinced that the issue at hand with regard to any debate is not even important to you. What is important to you is to discredit DQ at whatever cost. And let me say, you do it quite stupidly.
To have a conversation with you is a complete waste of time, because you just don't get it. No.... let me rephrase that..... You won't get it. And that is because you have your own Agenda. And that agenda is to do all in your power to discredit DQ. Nothing else. Even when DQ does point out something favorable with mainstream medicine, although I must say anything favorable with mainstream medicine is almost nonexistent, you even discredit that! How stupid. You are so transparent that the world can see it. You don't even know what you are talking about.
Bottom line, it is obvious to me and to everyone who reads your posts, except for a select few, ummmmm..... possibly a select one, that you are merely full of crap.
Luella
You like swimming in uncharted waters don't you?
The FDA warning was to the PREVIOUS makers of Anvirzel and the warning was no different than the FDA warnings against Washington cherry growers and Florida bitter melon tea makers. They were told not to post the truth because the FDA defines anything short of a billion dollar FDA trial process as inadequate.
That is because the FDA serves the same slimy masters you do, and they have admitted it.
"The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.
It isn't.
What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."
Dr. Herbert Ley
Former U.S. FDA Commissioner
And just FYI, I am neither anti-drug nor anti-vaccine. I am anti any lab created concoction with dangerous side effects when nature has a better and safer answer. In the instance of Anvirzel, it is no more than a updated version of a thousands of years old remedy that comes from boiling, straining and condensing the leaves and stems of the oleander plant.
DQ
Ah, nameless little troll - you continue to wade in water way, way over your empty head.
You are a total waste of my time to debate further but I will correct you one final time here and then settle back to concentrating on productive work I have to do (but not to worry, I will be sure to stop in frequently to squash your worthless mainstream hype).
Ozelle Pharmaceuticals was formed by a group of investors and Dr Ozel's son. The FDA's warning letter has been addressed for what it was - suppression of the truth by use of the billion dollar FDA trial process not having been completed to be able to make any medical claims. It was not the what Ozelle had to say was untrue - only that they had not antied up the billion it takes to join the Big Pharm club that rules the FDA. After all, piglet, we have seen how effective the FDA trial process really is haven't we, Mr. Vioxx man? Aspartame anyone?
Ozelle pharmaceuticals is no longer the company that makes Anvirzel.
You ask a much better question than you realized. When it comes to me or Memorial Sloan Kettering on the subject of non-traditional and natural treatments you should absolutely believe me first - MSK is known as the most evil mainstream apologist hospital organization on the planet, one that will go to any lengths to suppress competition to the hundreds of millions of dollars they make off their needlessly dying cancer victims. These are the same people that hid their own test results on laetrile and fire Ralph Moss when he outted them - and they are not worth the saliva it would take to spit on them. Their own head of oncology has gone on record as saying that he has never seen or heard of a single case of cancer curd by non-traditional means. Anyone who will tell a lie that huge should rot in hell for eternity.
All of the adverse reactions you see reported for Anvirzel are absolutely correct - however, they are usually relatively mild when present at all, and there has never been a life-threatening reaction nor a death. Something NO other cancer drug and most FDA approved drugs can say, by the way.
The warnings for raw oleander are also absolutely correct. In regards to oleander extract they apply only to the handling of the raw plant. Properly prepared oleander extract, whether it be home remedy version, the patented Anvirzel, or the dietary supplement form which has been over 90% successful against cancer and 100% successful in reversing HIV, are all virtually identical.
How do you explain that success, troll man? How do you explain the success of the many members of my group, or all the thank you messages I have from people who are alive today after mainstream medicine failed them?
For your edification, Dr. Ley's famous quotation comes from the January 2, 1970 edition of the San Francisco Chronicle. From one of your own favorite sources here is the Wikipedia bio of the last FDA commissioner who actually stood up to the special interests of Big Pharma:
Herbert L. Ley Jr., M.D. (September 7, 1923—July 22, 2001) was an American physician and government official.
He attended Harvard College from 1941-1943, and returned there after World War II, where he received his M.D. degree, cum laude, in 1946. In 1951, he earned an Master of Public Health degree from the Harvard School of Public Health. From 1951 until 1958, he worked with the Army Medical Service Graduate School in rickettsial disease research, the Office of the Surgeon General, and as an epidemiologist in Korea and Vietnam.
In 1958, he accepted a position as Professor of Bacteriology and Chairman of the Department of Bacteriology, Hygiene, and Preventive Medicine at George Washington University. In 1963, he was appointed Associate Professor of Epidemiology and Microbiology at the Harvard School of Public Health, and became chairman of the Department in 1964. In September 1966, Ley took a leave of absence from his position to become Medical Director at the Food and Drug Administration
On October 21, 1969, Abbott Laboratories reported that the artificial sweetener cyclamate (in a saccharin-cyclamate mixture) had caused liver tumors in rats. Cyclamates were removed from the list of Generally recognized as safe (GRAS) ingredients at Dr. Ley's direction on October 30, 1969.
Frustrated with the red tape and conflicts with pharmacutical companies, Ley resigned his position at FDA on December 11, 1969.
In the San Francisco Chronicle of January 2, 1970 he is quoted as saying "The thing that bugs me is that people think the FDA is protecting them. It isn't. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it's doing are as different as night and day.”
His activism earned him a spot on the master list of Nixon political opponents.
You are sooooo over your head here!
Once again, you hem and haw and quote mainstream BS which this forum has learned long ago to reject and you avoid the issues placed before you. Since you obviously are going to continue in this same vein (I bet that word makes your little vaxxer snout drool, doesn't it?), I will repeat yet again, and then leave you to wallow in the mud you sling:
Once again, DB, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, DB, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
DQ
How you grasp at straws and semantics - I only used Wikipedia because it is one of your treasured sources. They chose to use only the abbreviated form of the quote. There are hundreds of others that give the full quote and it is attributed to the same San Francisco Chronicle edition in multiple instances.
Regardless, when you really get down to it the two versions say the exact same thing. If the people believe the FDA is protecting them and the opposite is true then who else is there to protect? Of course it is the drug makers buffoon! I know that simple logic escapes you, but look: There are only the takers and the makers and if the FDA is doing the opposite of protecting the takers then it must be protecting the makers.
What I have said about oleander is true, and demonstrably so. You can gladly have MSK. MSK, mainstream propaganda and the FDA can all kiss my arse! Beat a door to my path? What - you are trying for comedy now? You know damn well that the slimy medical world you serve is more likely to beat down doors to suppress such a cure than beat paths to door to embrace it - they have a history of doing so for over a century.
MY baseless attacks? I have said that you are a mainstream troll who either loves the abuse of no one listening to you or agreeing with you or else you are paid to take it, because you truly are totally ineffectual here. Do you have another explanation for your continued fruitless endeavors? What is your background DB? What is your experience beyond cutting and pasting and parroting? Your job, your education? What pray tell is your motivation? My life is a open book here and it is easy to see why I am here, regardless of your accusations. What we really want to know is why in the world you are here. because your presence, like your posts, make not a lick of sense here.
As far as the lying filth that you and Corinthian have posted about me causing death when just the opposite is true, there is no excuse other than the desparate acts of people without even a mimimum of decency. You ask for proof and I provide it in spades and even invite you to both of my forums to try to prove your own baseless allegations. And what is your response - you grasp at straws like the quote issue make baseless allegations and totally ignore the information that has been posted that you cannot refute. You don't deserve a break. Anyone who accuses me of being a liar is merely themselves a liar and so mildly pisses me off. Anyone who accuses me of being a killer is despicable and has invited hell to pay a visit. You made your bed of accusations and now you can lie in it. At least for as long as you are allowed to.
Once again, DB, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, DB, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
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It was not you I was referring to when I wrote about accusing me of causing deaths. There is one other here who reads my replies to you and who usually answers with name calling and slurs. With the death accusation he has reached a new level of despicability. As I have oft stated in my messages - one of your better attributes is that you have been for the most part civil. Wrong, ineffective, pigheaded, annoying . . . . but civil.
If you should ever get a chance to take a look at the Trudeau forum you would see that I have labelled him a huckster on numerous occasions. Which is not to say that he has not cobbled together some good information (and some questionable), but I think he would sell his own mother to make a buck. jmho
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"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny."
-- Thomas Jefferson
How typical of you to totally avoid the issue or challenge and resort to labelling and phantom charges that you know are lies and impossible to verify.
Sorry, but you cannot worm squirm out of this one mainstream mouthpiece man. I have invited you to come bring your lies and mainstream fecal matter to the Yahoo Oleander Soup forum. Surely there would be evidence there of someone joining and dying or at least someone being harmed. All you have to do is come ask the question: "Does anyone here know of anyone who has died as a result of Tony's advice, and if not, has anyone here been harmed by his advice?"
Once again, Corinithian, the task is simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Like DB and the others who have come here and failed, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
You must enjoy the beatings you get here. I can see no other explanation.
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Don't you think that in four years of posts on my Yahoo oleander forum - 3229 posts in all - there would be some posts saying "your advice isn't working, my cancer is getting worse, the doctor says I am going to die, etc."? Or some members who would remember such posts?
You say "in the hopes they won't check", yet when I tell you to please do check you dodge and try to cloud the issue. You know, besides the Yahoo forum, I have my own forum here at CureZone:
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=861
Come visit THAT forum and post your accusations. It has 2,190 messages and 229,578 hits. Surely you could find someone there who has been harmed by my advice. I think that if you take a look at the forum and at the content there, it speaks for itself as far as what I am all about. Just like your own posts here at CureZone speak clearly about what you are all about.
Once again, Corinthian, the task is quite simple: find me one person who took my advice or who took oleander and was harmed in any way. Just one. You can't do it and so just like your junior troll in training, resort to slurs and lies and cut and paste mainstream justifications.
Once again, Corinthian, like DB and the others who have come here and failed, you have an insurmountable problem with this crowd who have determined to educate instead of medicate - what you offer is the same tired old profit driven dung from the same folks who have a history of feeding us heaping bowls of it, selling us on the benefits while giving us death in the form of Vioxx, Bextra, Alleve, FenFen, and Tobacco. You represent the same folks who are still maintaining that Gardasil, Fosamax, Aspartame, and all your other precious vaccines and medicines are safe and that nature itself is unsafe and quackery.
Dodge all you want and post unsubstantiated slurs and lies all you want (your accusations are pure filth and you know it) - I will keep reminding you and your junior assistant of your dodges and shortcomings in every post until YOU face the facts, much as that idea is abhorrent to mainstream apologists.
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