First and foremost, if you have TMAU to some degree, then the most important thing to do is to clean out your intestines or the supplements won't work. If you have too much TMA accumulated in your gut, the supplements and new diet are just not strong enough to handle the odor. Perhaps it will after you stick to it for a very long time, but there's no guarantee.
He says that the best way to think about it is to CLEAN OUT THE OLD AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW.
It really worked for him. He started with a mild laxative that at first did nothing to make him go other than the usual amount. So the next day, he took it again and also rubbed the castor oil on his abdomen over his colon (he did not take it orally). Then the following morning, he got "explosive" diarrhea, and the odor began to decrease after that. He says to keep taking the mild laxative until YOU FEEL THAT YOUR STOMACH AND INTESTINES ARE ABSOLUTELY CLEAN. This whole process should not take more than 3 days.
Since he has GERD and normally has heartburn, he did a bland diet during the cleansing using only the bland (not spicy) foods that are on the 3-page list of choline foods that I had told you work for him. Don't eat any of the spicy foods on that list during the cleansing phase.
After he felt well cleansed, we all began to notice a significant decrease in body odor. Then, he began to take the Lactobacillus (acidophilus, also called flora replacement), one pill a day, or as directed on the bottle, for 3 to 7 days, and slowly began to eat other low choline foods noted on the USDA list. Introduce new foods from the list little by little, so you can better determine which are not good for you.
He wrote a list for you indicating which he believes cleans up his odor the best once you’ve finished with the initial cleansing:
1. Low choline diet: He says that diet is by far the most important in the prevention of TMA buildup in the gut. FYI, he noticed that Burger fast food is really bad for some reason.
2. charcoal
3. laxative
4. chlorophyll
5. Vitamin B2
He writes on his note: After 7 days, don’t trust yourself as to how you smell. Ask someone at 3days, 5days, 7days, and 10days.
After 1 to 2 weeks after your odor is gone, it will build up again even on a low-choline diet, so you have to take laxatives as needed to CLEAN OUT THE OLD AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW. You probably won’t have to do such an intense cleansing process as initially, but you need to figure just how much you need through trial and error process.
Well Spidey, I hope this helps you. Remember that whether this works for you or not, don’t give up, keep in touch, and we’ll try to help you in this forum.
I know that the major setback about getting tested is that most doctors really have no clue about body odor thus making it even more embarrassing to discuss this with your doctor, the high costs of each test, especially when you have no idea what to test for because you and your doctors have no clue either, and the stress involved with spending all this money and going nowhere. So, go ahead and try this treatment plan, since it is recommended by the National Health Institute, since you have already purchased the supplements, that should not have been too expensive, and let’s see how it goes.
My son’s skin no longer looks “stressed” and no longer is smelly as it was before because I think that by eliminating the TMA from his gut, it hasn’t filtered into his blood. The first traces of odor coming back is in his breath because it comes directly from the gut. The pH of his skin seems has gone down to normal.
I believe that Olay’s Clarify & Cleanse daily scrub face soap that contains salicylic acid for acne treatment has helped him tremendously. For his body, he uses Olay Daily Purifying with sea salts & microbeads body wash. I don’t know if you have oily skin and a tendency to have acne, but if you do, this will help. His dermatologist has told him to buy a face soap that contains salicylic acid because it helps diminish the size of black heads and white heads, causing them fall off from the pores leaving a healthier and cleaner complexion. Since I couldn’t find this face soap in the stores, I just bought them online from a reputable pharmacy. The soaps are probably the most expensive part of the treatment. I guess I could have bought cheaper soaps, but maybe they wouldn’t have been the same. Also, liquid/gel soaps are better than soap bars.
Please stay in touch, we would really like to know how you are doing to help you with this. Don’t despair if this doesn’t work as you would like, all of us in this forum will help you through this until you find a solution. Just try to do one treatment at a time, and introduce new foods slowly to be able to determine what works and what doesn’t.
Good Luck!
mpdela
Hi Spiderman22,
How is your treatment coming along? Have you noticed any improvement with the cleansing? Have you noticed any change at all with the diet & supplements?
Just to give you an update, my son is still odor free. When Alex came home Friday night after a long day at work, he called us to his room and sat with us telling us stories about his day at work. After listening to him for a long time, my husband (his father) commented about the absence of his odor. It is so noticeable to those who have experienced it with him for so many years. As we listened to his stories, it just wasn't part of the experience.
He went to his first job interview on January 4, 2008, and he had cleared up his odor alot by then. It wasn't noticeable unless he got very close to you and spoke directly to your face. So, I would say that it's been a little over 2 months that he's been on his treatment, and it works for him! I would think that this means that he has TMAU. We'll see when he gets tested sometime within the next few months.
Please tell me how you feel whenever you feel ready to talk about it. Don't feel rushed to share. I just wanted to know that I'm available if you want to talk.
Best of luck!
mpdela
Hi ATA,
Here is the research I've done addressing the questions you ask in your posting. I hope this helps you answer some of your questions, although it really raises alot more questions.
The more I read, the more I agree with you in that there is still so much to be discovered about body odor in general and particular that produced in TMAU, since TMAU seems to affect people in different ways. My son is also very allergic to a significant amount of the foods high in choline, but at the same time, he is also not allergic to many other food also high in choline like eggs. Here are some ideas/questions I’m throwing out there to hear myself think, and perhaps it will help you and others as well.
According to the Choline Content Chart of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, most finfish and shellfish products have significantly lower choline content than eggs, liver, and meats. Finfish and shellfish products have 30 mg to 84 mg of choline, and legumes and legume product from 24mg – 88 mg. However, some beef and pork products, (not including liver) such as sausages, frankfurter, ground beef, and steaks have a higher range from the 40s thru 130 mg. Lamb, veal and game is significantly higher from 100mg to 411mg. And, the worst are eggs – ranging from 225 mg to 682.4 mg, and liver – from 200 mg to 430 mg.
It is my understanding that in addition to fish having a lower choline content compared to meats and eggs (according to the USDA chart), finfish ALSO contains trimethylamine (TMA) precursor contents. So, maybe by eating fish, you’re getting a double-wammy of TMA, one from the choline breakdown and the other from the TMA precursor of the fish. This is an interesting thought, but I could be wrong about it. However, all the TMAU literature refers to TMA as a fish-like smelling substance found in fish.
A scientific research done in 2004 at the Hokkaido University in Sapporo, Japan by renowned scientists, including Dr. Preti who my son is going to be tested by, published in http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15043988 , clearly explains that, “Trimethylaminuria (TMAU) is a metabolic disorder characterized by the inability to oxidize and convert dietary-derived trimethylamine (TMA) to trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO).” In addition, I also wonder if there are numerous sources of TMA, such as in the case of finfish - one from choline and yet another.
As I understand this research, as the choline in our food is chemically broken down, it goes through various stages; and at one of its stages, it normally becomes trimethylamine (TMA, a fish-like smelling substance found in fish). This is the stage when the gene that codes FM03 (the enzyme involved in breaking down TMA) normally performs its function to further break down this choline-derived TMA to a non-odorous state (TMAO). In trimethylaminuria (TMAU), the process of breaking down trymethyline (TMA) does not take place, or only partially takes place based on the degree of mutation of the gene that codes FM03 resulting in “abnormal FM03 capacity with reduced FM03 function”. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2350/8/2 Perhaps you don’t have a fishy odor, even though you have primary TMAU, because maybe your FM03 capacity and function fluctuates from time to time and the combination of foods in your diet and/or supplements may also alter your scent.
That’s why the U.S. National Institute of Health (NIH) http://www.genetests.org/query?dz=trimethylaminuria, recommends the use of Vitamin B2 (riboflavin): 30-40 mg, three to five times a day with food to enhance whatever FM03 capacity and function you may have. I wonder if this FM03 function fluctuates with hormonal changes, stress, medication, etc. Maybe this explains why its intensity changes from time to time in people. Under the section, What do we know about heredity and trimethylaminuria it says, “The severest cases, manifested by individuals with FM03 mutations are generally present from birth” (as is your case). I do hope that the Vitamin B2 will have positive results for you in enhancing your FM03 capacity and function.
I bet that someday, the researchers will find more answers to this and many other questions as people like you and others in this forum continue to be tested and diagnosed with this condition. The more subjects the researchers can test and observe, the greater their chances are of finding a better treatment or a cure. In this forum description, it states that, “…in 1970, only 30 cases have been reported in the world’s literature…” From that time through 2006, there have been from an increase to less than 2,000 known cases in the U.S. For a disease to be considered a rare disease in the U.S., there has to be a prevalence of fewer than 200,000 affected individuals in the country. http://www.geneticalliance.org/ksc_assets/programs/acmg_advocate_reports_2006... There is a very strong possibility that most people throughout the world who have this disease, have not been diagnosed, for many reasons. Therefore, it is very important to be tested, if anyone thinks they might have it in order to help these professional medical institutions find a solution – a better treatment or a cure.
Another excellent online article, consisting mostly of a bibliography compiled in the First International Workshop on Trimethylaminuria in Bethesda, MD on March 29 and 30, 1999. I found it on the website: http://202.116.74.5/pract/show_text.php?engine=biology&tbl=contents_62&id=238&file=2608 , and it was sponsored by the Office of Rare Diseases of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and The Wellcome Trust of the United Kingdom. Cosponsors of this workshop were other components of NIH, including The Fogarty International Center, The National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases, The National Institute of Deafness and Other Communication Disorders, The National Institute of General Medical Sciences, and The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, as well as Towards Education for all with Multimedia (TEAM) in the United Kingdom. The Workshop was held at the Lister Hill National Center for Biomedical Communication on the campus of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland on March 29 and 30, 1999.” The article states that,
“In addition, there are several stigmata associated with this condition including dermatologic problems and a wide range of neurologic symptoms. Further, trimethylaminuria has been seen in Noonan's and Turner's syndromes, Prader-Willi Syndrome, renal and hepatic diseases, disorders of carnitine and choline intake, hematological anormalities, and deficient nicotine N-oxidation among other conditions… Management of trimethylaminuria in all its forms and manifestations is not always easily accomplished. Some individuals can successfully control this condition by diet; still others have trimethylaminuria that is not responsive to dietary management. Antibiotic treatment has been used for some patients. Because there are frequently other organ systems involved, the prevention and treatment of the whole range of associated symptoms and their treatments can be complex and are as yet not clearly delineated or resolved.”
I do hope that someday soon these researchers gain a great deal more knowledge about all these diseases and how they are intertwined with each other.
Hope this helps somewhat.
mpdela