3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--LFin... 
UserX
16 y
2,164
Lugol’s Iodine Free S&H
J.Crow’s® Lugol’s Iodine Solution. Restore lost reserves.
Clarkia Extra Strong
Clarkia Tincture 2 oz, 4 oz, 8 oz, and 16 oz
I'm posting AGAIN!, but I need a couple of answers.
#1: I ran across a quote by Barefoot on his dewormer compound on
http://shop.toolsfor
healing.com/DeWormer_Parasite_Cleanse_p/bh-dewormer.html that said "people that are nearly dead take a quart a week" and "I truly believe a person should be mostly worm-free within 30 days." I hadn't run across that statement from Barefoot before. Not to say I was "nearly dead" when I started, but I felt like I was. So, from what Barefoot says, it is possible to take a lot more of his dewormer than is mentioned most places on CZ?
With that thought in mind I was wondering if a person did that if they wouldn't have to do so many liver flushes. I am on my 10th one in 3 months. I know your experience was being on the dewormers for a year? or more and having lots of debris and then doing the liver flushes back to back for 2 months. Most of your bugs were dead when you started doing the liver flushes? That was because of the knowledge you had at the time about Barefoot's dewormer and the availability of it. You did it with the Clarks and Clear mostly?
I am doing well with the flushes. I just had a load of bugs to begin with. Am seeing hardly any of the hard, while fluke pieces anymore, few of the red, liver fluke pieces, and some of the slimy stuff that is probably the intestinal fluke pieces?
The problem is that I would like to ask a question about is still seeing the tiny worms that are in the green cholesterol stones that I still have a lot of. If someone took a larger amount of the dewormer at the start, then maybe these would have already been gone? I got out about 300+ stones this time varying in size from the peas to the 1 cm ones. I am maybe a little shy of the 2000 mark to date that Clark talks about as an example figure amount you have to get out before you start seeing any improvement in symptoms. The 2000 figure, is that a constant figure that applies to everybody? Good question.
I decided to do the Clark extended flush this time. That would be doing the 1/2 dose in the morning of the oil mixture instead of the 2nd dose of ES and following that with more of the ES 2 hours later x2 after doing the usual first part--the 2 doses of ES 2 hr. apart followed by the main, EVOO and grapefruit juice drink. I felt a little shakey like I might need some magnesuim and didn't have time to do the 3 days of the Ultraphos beforehand. I wasn't able to stand up straight and walk and had a hard time getting my breath from the liver pain, so thought it was about time to do another LF even tho I had done my last one 5 days before this. (Or am I just being wimpy?!) I think from these symptoms and the amount of coffee enemas I have been doing it might be a good thing to add back some of the probiotics? I read that if you are seeing mucus, then you need probiotics. Maybe if a person does so many LF's and so many coffee enemas so close together they might need to. I know your feeling on lots of coffee enemas. If I don't feel toxic, I cut down on them.
If one still feels the stones rolling around in there like crazy, would it be all right to do another flush? I know I have asked this question before. #2: Maybe I should ask when a person gets done a flush should they be feeling LOTS of stones moving around in their liver from then on until they do another flush?
I like the Coke flush, it has worked well, and this is the first time I have done Clark's.
#3: IF one does the Coke flush and has to do the flushes back to back, is it all right to keep up the Ultraphos in the apple cider right along on a daily basis? In order to do a flush, you have to do the Ultraphos to keep the bile ducts open. UNLESS a person chooses to alternate with the Clark flush. I was just concerned about that amount of Ultraphos on a daily basis if one DID find they had to do the flushes so close together. Usually the amount of ES on a daily basis is just below the "trots" level.
Thanks. I hope you can made all this out.
Oh, I always forget something. I know you also added the Zymex II that digests the bugs. I am not taking the Zymex, but I am doing a digestive enzyme with bromelain and papain in it.
More
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... knows
16 y
1,565
This is a reply to # 1,083,8711. DeWormer: Yeah you can take up to a quart a week. I've done 8-10 gulps of that stuff a day a few times.
When I did all those flushes it wasn't to eliminate the bugs it was the debris they left behind. When killing the bugs I didn't do any flushes. I killed the bugs in 97 and passed the debris in 98-99. My mistake was I didn't stay on the bug killer. Once those three months were done and I passed all those bugs I didn't do maintanance. I was wrong, I screwed up. Needless to say I got re-infested. Back then it was all experimental stuff. Nobody knew how much to do for how long. Clark had set up the parameters but nobody had really tested it.
The 2000 stones is a guidepost. Maybe less, maybe more. What I've seen is it's usually less. That the stones are bright green means the bugs are still in your liver. So keep killing the bugs off with DeWormer, Clear, Clarks stuff, Humaworm, any bug killers that work for you. I don't know if greater volumns of the bug killer would do any good. They are layered in there but it seems to me the quicker you can kill them the sooner you'll be healthy. When I did it, you know that story, I said hell with it and did 3-4 times the recommended amounts. But I had full blown liver cancer and was this close to dying. Which you may have been too.
You will feel things moving through the liver and it hurts when it moves. Like you're being stabbed with a knife. Double you right over. Used to drive my wife crazy. I'd be sitting there all nice and quit and everything then wham, double right over. That eased up after a while but I could still tell when something broke lose from the top of the liver and then get stuck at the bottom. Time for another flush. The liver wasn't built to have solids in it and even though the bugs are soft they still hurt once dead and start working their way out. Stones too. Again, the liver wasn't built to process solids. As they're moving it'll hurt of course but when they get to the bottom and get stuck flush them out. Then more stones and bugs move to the bottom flush them out. I stayed on the apple cider and orthophos continuously for those two months. Drank my quart of cider with the phos in it everyday, flushed at night. So the orthophos doesn't hurt you. So as long as you're feeling things move through the liver I wouldn't flush. Once they get to the bottom of the liver flush them out. Each time you do there'll be fewer and fewer stones and bugs so it's just a matter of staying on top of it for a while till ALL the debris is gone. Bugs and stones.
As long as you're feeling things move through the liver you're safe. It hurts but nothing can move unless the liver is open. Once enough bugs or debris get to the bottom of the liver and stops it up you stop feeling things move. But then the liver will start swelling and that hurts too. As long as the pain is moving around the liver IS purging. You get those sharp stabbing pains. Once the liver is congested the pain is different. It's more of an ache. Pretty bad ache, but still an ache.
Once the bright green ones are gone the older stones are darker and even gray. Then you'll know you're getting to the end. Stay on the bug killer and keep on going.
I'm not against the coffee enemas or enemas in general so if you feel the need to do them and get significant relief from them keep on going. Your right, take some probiotics along the way just to stay on the safe side. But what you may be feeling is the cellular detox while the poisons are still in the bloodstream before they get purged into the liver. In that case the detox tea does a great job keeping the blood clean. It's an individual thing. I knew exactly what was happening inside my body and treated it with the detox tea. Flushed when the liver congested. So you might want to get some of Schulzes detox tea and try that, see if you can minimize the enemas. Thus minimizing the possibilty of mineral imbalances and the need for probiotics.
Like I said above I did the apple cider with the phos in it everyday for a couple months straight so it can't hurt you.
Hope this helps, keep us posted.
Doc
More
- Doc, another comment, PLEASE! UserX
16 y
1,503
This is a reply to # 1,084,224My question here might be related at least in part to the more highly bug infested with the longer term problems.
I have read where people with gall bladders that are jam packed with stones might have to do a few LF's before they started getting out many stones or symptom relief. I am wondering if the same applies to the liver and those who don't have a gall baldder.
I have been getting more and more stones out with each LF. AS my above post says, this 10th LF I got out over 300 of the green ones, some that were quite large and around the 1 cm size. The extra half dose of the oil mixture the next morning might have had someting to do with this. Clark says by doing this you can get out more stones. With every liver flush I am feeling a higher amount of the stones moving in my liver. Doc, you said this is a GOOD thing and means that the liver is moving the stones down to the bottom of it where they can be flshed out. This also causes a lot of back muscle spasm and makes it hard to breathe. I just wanted to emphasize that this can get a little painful and it might take some patience to get through it.
Also, I am wondering if being out of the Barefoot's L/GB formula and not taking that is having an influence on the amount of pain I am experiencing. I have learned a good lesson in that with the Barefoot stuff you better get a good supply ahead and order a while before you run out. What I have found that I can do for some of the pain is fill a 00 capsule with wintergreen oil and do that at bedtime. It has natural salicylate in it. I don't know what effect it has on the bugs or stones.
For what my body is telling me, I am adding some of Schulze's kidney tea to his detox tea--just putting it all together and steeping it. Probably average 2 cups a day for that.
I haven't seen any calcified stones, but also take some GCG and Chanca Piedra mixture from Julia Chang's program, just in case. I don't do this on a regular basis, only a day or two a week. It also helps out the kidneys a little, too. I don't want to detox too fast, but know I have to balance that and also discourage any kidney problems. The only slight indication of that would be some puffiness under the eyes. One could get that from not sleeping the night before from liver pain, too, so that theory might be up in the air right now as to IF I should be taking so much of the kidney detox stuff. This would be something that a diabetic might have to think about since I have been doing the LF's a little close together and dumping a lot through the kidneys. For the books, I am not one who has experienced any recognizeable kidney problems in the past, even tho I am diabetic.
i was wondering, Doc, if you would relate a little more of your experience as to how your liver emptied from the beginning and if you did have a time when the pain got progressively worse until you dumpted most of the debris out of it. This kind of pain with the stones and junk moving, you are right in saying it is different than the diffuse pain/ache one experiences in the beginning before they begin the dewormers and LF's, and what also one feels like when they know it is time to do another flush. I was wondering if this might be like a "crisis" sort of thing where I was stirring up the bulk of the stones and during the next few flushes, would get rid of a whole lot more and then see this number dwindling a little. (I am patient, I think, just hurting a lot right now) That time and the amount of liver flushes one might have to do, I suppose, would be relevant to the how packed the liver was in the first place and the amount of bugs one had to concentrate on getting rid of. But another thing I am wondering is just how many bugs and stones a person's liver can hold, anyway??? That's a DARN good question!!! The two flushes I did back to back before this last one showed 13 of the 1 cm stones that were a light
tan color and were really full of the small worms.
I know that there is no time element on this thing about killing the bugs and liver flushing, but I was just looking for your thoughts on what some of the symptoms might tell a person.
Thanks again.- Re: Doc, another comment, PLEASE! knows
16 y
1,456
This is a reply to # 1,084,803Ouch. Yeah, many many times. Was very hesitant to go out in public in case the pain hit. Had to go sit down or just sit there and try not to make a fool out of myself. Or driving the car, anywhere, it can be a real pain in the butt. It DOES go away though. You'll also get a bit of pain when the liver gets healthy and shrinks back to its normal size. That pulls on the ribs a bit. And, of course, there's that mid back pain. Nothing structurally wrong just the reflex from the liver. Plus your neck will stiffen up. Are we having fun yet???
You just stick with it, a couple months from now all this will be behind you and you'll be the one answering the questions from others who you've talked into doing this. It's worth it, you're already healthier than you were a few months ago and you can see by what's coming out of you that you HAD to be sick.
There are no stupid questions when it comes to this stuff. If you've got questions never be afraid to ask. You'll be the one doing the answering some day. For now keep on going. The light at the end of the tunnel is getting nearer.
Doc - Re: Doc, another comment, PLEASE! plzchuckle
16 y
1,417
This is a reply to # 1,084,803
OKKKK, flushing to get out of pain, this I understand, BUT:
The congestion MUST mover down in order to be moved out. So patience is a vertue here.
Starting out, I had like 48 good hours after a flush, then WHAM, it was as bad as it had every been ... that was because more had moved down and had my bile backing up and my liver swelling yet again!! Frustrating ain't it??????
As, I kept at a regular schedule, I could tell when the 48 hours started moving to longer periods, that was a relief!!!!!!
I tried flushing every 2 weeks for a period, but it washed me out too much ... I felt like a limp dish rag as I dragged my butt through my days. It only took a short while to go back to 4 weeks!!
Managing the pain and staying functional was tantamount for me ... I'm not only singe, I support my 77 year old mama.
I've probably told you this before, I'll tell it again:
lemon water probably kept me sane. I KEPT a mug of warm water with 1/2 a lemon squeezed in it at my elbo almost constantly for months and months. It HELPED ALOT! As flush time approached and the pain worsened, especially in the evenings for some reason, I would sometimes add avc and sweeten with stevia. If that wasn't working, I'd go add just a pinch of es. There were sometimes that for 26 days out of 4 weeks that I drank more lemon water than I ate food. I guess I was fasting ... MH states that when you're sick, stop eating, eh? I wasn't doing it so I was listening to MH, I was doing it so I could tolerate breathing!!!!!
- Re: Doc, another comment, PLEASE! UserX
16 y
1,454
This is a reply to # 1,086,434Plz, there is reason in all things. That means we do what we do WITH reason in mind. We may not do it perfectly, but what we post it is for THE reason of helping ourselves and the newbie. I don't want to go off the deep end on either of those accounts. When we take natural things, for instance, like a total of 6 tabs a day of digestive enzymes with papain in them, it isn't going to hurt the usual person, if anybody. I dont take 50 grams of the stuff.
I do believe in the ACV and the lemon juice. I also believe in the essential oils that oxygenate the tissues. Most parasites don't like oxygen. Clark uses ozone to kill them. Aan additional oxygen molecule. My object is to rid my body of PATHOLOGICAL parsites the best I can. It all takes time, patience and a lot of work. Thanks to Doc who has made it a lot plainer about what to expect when you have had some long-term problems. Sometimes, for me, the unknown can make me wonder a little.
I probably have had more years than some to collect all the parasites and stones. Take that into consideration, too, along with the nature of some of the work I did where I was exposed to a more than "norma" amount of the stuff that could cause problems.
As far as the self-talk goes, that is always helpful and necessary sometimes to get through a difficult situation.
Some of us don't have to look up the word "pain" in a dictionary to know what it means. We all have a measure of ability that we have that helps us deal with it. It is just a part of life.
Thanks for your posts about what worked for you. Very valuable information.
- Re: Doc, another comment, PLEASE! UserX
16 y
1,454
- Re: Doc, another comment, PLEASE! knows
16 y
1,456
- Doc, another comment, PLEASE! UserX
16 y
1,503
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... UserX
16 y
1,491
This is a reply to # 1,083,871Thank you. This sheds a lot of light on the stabbing pains and what the liver feels like when you need another flush.
I know the dewormers won't hurt. More of a safe thing is up to the individual. The important thing is not to stop and let the bugs get a bigger foothold until the main infestation is gone. Then the modification of the minimal dosage for maintenance on the Barefoot's dewormer. My question was based on a little story Dr. Schulze told about trying to help a client with a 100-year-old formula. It didn't work. He had to go to something like they used for horses, then it did work. It is the ever increasing pollution in the world we live in, but people are getting more adaptable to it, too.
With a few bits of knowledge, like it is OK to take the Ultraphos for a while, and just considering what each ingredient in the flushes does, it will be easy to put together any kind of program that works. It all depends on a person's needs. We have the choices. We don't have much choice depending upon allopathic treatment. Certainly not in the end where that takes us. Gives us back some independence, doesn't it?
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... plzchuckle
16 y
1,397
This is a reply to # 1,083,871
Pioneer, first, lemme say: I'd email that quote to MH and ask him if he said that. I have read him saying that he has relatives that come over and will drink as much as a quart of dewormer in a day, but there are things in the quote that I've never seen him or heard him say.
NOW...
***plzchuckle lays her gun on the desk*** don't make me have to use this :D
The only pain that I've had in my life that I would say was worse than the liver pain I was in 2 yrs ago would be a kidney stone when one has no insurance to get help. I couldn't put one foot in front of the other to go to work with the 2nd kidney stone I passed, I worked everyday going through the liver problems cause I had to keep a roof over our heads!!
I want to see you settle into a regular flush schedule ... yeah, I'm talking every 2-4 weeks here. Too much flushing wrecks havoc on your enzymes, your PRObiotics and your electrolytes ... you can get well without all of that.
Your liver ducts are tiny, they are clogged. I have NO idea what you're referring to about a rolling around in there feeling. My stones moving down felt like twinges and spasms. When I'd go to bed at night, I'd lay very still and ask, "liver, show me what you're working on now." Amazingly, it did. You know that music game Simon? My liver made flash answers like that ... "here ... here ... here .... here" It would have spams, I felt my pulse beating in my liver as it started to get well, made me feel like it was "coming back to life." As time went on, those flashes diminished, until finally, I get no answer and the pulse there is totally unnoticable now.
Who can say how many gallstones a person's going to pass? That would totally depend on diet, Rx, OTCs consumed in the past and present. I passed 3000 stones that were at least 1/4" in diameter. That doesn't mean you will.
I SAY, if you're seeing much mucus, you need a mucusless diet ... make it mostly raw, VOILA, your PRObiotics are in your food, along with living enzymes.
Need bromelain? One a week, I eat one whole pineapple for a meal. It's incredibly detoxing!!
Papain is an animo acid (a protein building block) and it's function is to break down tough meat fiber? You're wanting to over tendersize yourself? or are you eating meat?
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... UserX
16 y
1,353
This is a reply to # 1,086,421Hi PLz,
I guess you will have to fly over to toolsforhealing.com with your pistol. Or did that message just inadvertently drop onto their website from cyberspace? "They" could have done it! Would you be willing to do that esearch?
Thanks for the rest of the information. Unfortunately my brain isn't honed into the same frequency as my liver with the commando stuff.
And the diet--unless OO and a little butter makes stones--ho hum! What CAN I eat?
The regular, good healthy diet with almost no meat, since I have posted before that I am basically vegetarian.
I have to stay in the middle of the road or get hit by traffic!
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... UserX
16 y
1,353
- Re: 3 Questions: #1--dewormer, #2--... knows
16 y
1,565
Share:
Translate This Page: