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America’s Trade Debts Could Lead to a Likely Gold Confiscation
Federal agencies have indicated that the accumulated trade debts of the
United States
Recently posted in the Federal Register on the internet were regulations listed under the caption of The Patriot Act . . . . At the end of 17 pages you will find legal definitions for “bullion coins” and “rare numismatic coins.” Strange how the definition of these forms of gold would show up under 17 pages of regulations pursuant to the Patriot Act having to do with identification of persons boarding and de-boarding aircraft and a multitude of other topics. Once you analyze the situation, it becomes obvious that these regulations were published in this manner, so as to keep the information from the general public and avoid suspicions of confiscation and the resulting objections.
WE BELIEVE THE REGULATIONS WERE PUBLISHED IN THE EXPECTATION OF A SECOND CONFISCATION OF AMERICAN PRIVATELY OWNED GOLDThe purpose of the confiscation is clearly to settle
America
There is really no other logical mechanism for them to accept payment. Today, silver is not a monetary asset and neither are any of the other metals such as platinum or palladium. Only gold can be used for settlement of debts between Central Banks.
“No,” you say! . . . . Such a conclusion is unjustified. If so, then we ask, how is it that 30,000 retail jewelry stores have been forced to become registered with the Treasury Department over the last two years, since January ‘06, as indicated at their website at www.jvclegal.org. The Jewelry Trade Association required their members to purchase a “Patriot Act Compliance Kit,” all of which relates to registration — a form of licensing, obviously connected to one of their main lines of business: gold jewelry.
Why is it also that bullion dealers and gold coin dealers who do $50,000 or more in business a year have also been required to become registered with the Treasury Department as indicated in their printout ofApril 24, 2007 , from their website. This particular, April 24th printout may or may not still be on the website, but we have copies from that date on file.
There is significant other evidence as well, including the recent confiscation of gold of an organization inEvansville ,Indiana United States
In addition, the U.S. Mint, the seller of extremely popular American Eagle series of coins has, as of October 15, at least, terminated all sales of American Eagle gold coins. By the time you read this, they may have changed their minds again, which, of course, can be reversed after a brief period. Their mint dealer network may or may not still have the American Eagle series coins in stock, but sooner or later, their stocks will run out and there will be no more gold available in this form.
It is our view that the definition of the antique numismatic coins, given in the Federal Register, indicate the one way to avoid the loss of all physical gold in your hands. The interpretation of the wording of the regulations can be taken differently by different people. Our interpretation is that coins that have rarity value at least equal to the bullion value at the time of purchase would logically be deemed legal under these rules. Since it is not likely that any further explanation of these regulations will be published, this is all we have to go on. Of course — they are not going to announce the confiscation date ahead of time.
We are frequently asked what our opinion is of the timing, and that is obviously difficult to say, but it would not be amazing to see the confiscation gold within the next twelve months of the extremely unpopular Presidency of George W. Bush. That means there’s only twelve months to go, if we believe that this evil act will be consummated during his term.
Swiss Financial Services, Inc.http://www.gcnlive.com/AGLDoffer.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,054,653
Thank you for the "heads up" post. When the time comes, gold will be deemed illegal and will not be accepted in any form of trade. Those investing in gold for their security are merely wasting their money now.
Hugs,
Luella
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,054,653I had suspected this tact and has read a few years
back that all safety deposit boxes would be sealed
if martial law was implemented. I tried to get my
banker to fess up but he looked at the ceiling and
doublespeak fell from his mouth.
Anyway, it is a good time also to put some money into
real goods which have value for what they can do, or
if you need goods next year but can get them this
year, your dollar is going to buy more this year.
I am not saying to go into debt but consider rolling
up your pennies and turning them in for gardening
tools etc. Herbs, Colloidal Silver , things that have
a good shelf life may be worth more than money in
the bank.
I have been reading articles on the slide of the
dollar and lots of foreigners have been flying
here to buy for the holidays as our dollar is so
deflated against their own currency, they are able
to get great deals. Conversely, our money is buying
less and less abroad.
Here is a recent heads up on the demise of the dollar.
http://www.321energy.com/editorials/kunstler/kunstler112707.html
meanwhile, Bush and his administration are spending
nearly a million a MINUTE~!
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Nation-in-Debt.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&or...
blessings,
Zoe
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,054,726
You and I think a lot alike Zoe about the practical "how" of preparing for times to come. Here's a little story.
One of my homeschool buddies is the Diva of Resourcefulness. She sees treasures in everyone else's trash. She wanted a garden but had no money for plants. So what she did was save the seeds from vegetables and fruits that she bought from the grocery store. She figured if she was buying it at the store, it was something her family would eat next year out of her garden. So she just cut the seeds out and dried them instead of throwing them into the garbage. Voila! Seeds for next year. She's got a gorgeous tangerine tree in her front yard that's about 5 years old now and produces the sweetest organic tangerines I've ever had. A neighbor was removing some old landscape timbers from his yard when he was relandscaping. She asked if she could have them and she used them for her raised beds. They didn't have money for a pool but wanted one so she and the kids measured one out with string and just started digging. She used the dirt for her garden beds and filled up a bunch of pots for "later." She used black trash bags to line the hole where the pool would be, kept dreaming, and after a couple of years, had a beauty of a pool with hand decorated mosaic tiles she and her kids had designed with marbles from the dollar store and quick set cement. Her back yard looks like it is straight out of Southern California. MAYBE she spent $100...
Just start thinking ahead and look for opportunities.
Donna
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This is a reply to # 1,056,261How creative~! I have been slowly investing in things
which can help me feel more self-sufficient or could
contribute to a community effort. We have 5 families
out where I live. This house could hold everyone if
need be too. Here was a list I came across a few years
back and it is still good to give you ideas~~certainly
I am going to invest in some heritage seed...soon.
I do not agree with all this list's choices but do
remember the list WAS motivational. Some of the things I
considered important were seeds and sprouters. I also
have a good supply of face masks and latex gloves.
I bought a water distiller which can be used on a
wood stove or on a stove in case we would have to
process pond water, collected water, or water from
the hand pump we have on the property. Also invested
in a Berkfield gravity water filter and tents in
case something like martial law was enacted and we
had company. This could give people some space outside
for privacy...
I have 3 solar cookers and a real good herb supply
with capper and caps. I also bought a good supply of
coconut oil as it has a longer shelf life than olive
and can be eaten, used as hair/body conditioner etc.
I even have a hand washing machine which uses 1-3
quarts of water per load.
More than anything, it gives me some peace of mind
that at least I am considering that we should be ready
for the unexpected. Hurricane Rita really impacted me
that way. I feel more prepared now than I was then...
100 Items to Disappear First In A Catastrophe:
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of
thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water, Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home
uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile
ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR
PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is
difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous
without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches
will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience;
Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with
wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers,
etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
Some suggested "must haves" from another poster:
Cast iron tea pot
Hammers of varied design
Chisels
Punches
Prize bars, lever bars
Anvil or something to use for one
Old welding rods, can be bent for hooks, ties, stakes
Post hole diggers, dig small poop hole with, and other.
Hacksaw, and blades galore
Handsaw for wood working
Cheap plastic tarps
Tarp straps
Chains binders, straps,
Cable come alongs, pullers if you from up north
Chain come alongs
Rope block and tackle
Heavy pull cables
Plenty of used tin, many instant uses, cover broken windows, make outlet for stove
pipe through it.
Tin snips
A few old tires, make one helluva fire for disruption
Rolls of electric fence wire, many uses
Hay strings
Big bags of oil dry
Motor oil
Antifreeze
Hydraulic jacks
Small flat bottom boat and trailer, fish or haul in it.
Heavy insulated coveralls
Spare socks, boots
Good hand tools, sockets ratchets, wrenches
Good voltmeters, digital and analog
Siphon hose for gas
Minimum of two ATVs.
blessings,
Zoe
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- Re: Gold Confiscation Issue: History... Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,054,653Don't let them bamboozle you. To preserve wealth you can always hold gold and even if they call for confiscation you can trade it outside the US. This is what everyone did except the patriotic Joes that handed over their gold to the government.
Actually those in the know without the need to liquefy just held on and waited out the confiscation. But I still recommend you hold silver in the US since it is actually written into your constitution.
Whatever you do don't trust some article written by banksters to keep you in paper...
A Myth Concerning Gold Confiscation
Roland Watson
March 27, 2006
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/watson/watson032706.html
The Gold Confiscation Issue: History And Future Predictions
J. Kent Willis
AGAPI Financial
November 23, 2004
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willis/willis112304.html
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This is a reply to # 1,054,731How would you trade with gold/silver outside the U.S.? You'd never be able to get it outside the U.S. without them knowing and confiscating it.- Re: Gold Confiscation Issue: History... Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,054,733Why paint such a picture? That is not what happened, but if you are talking about living inside some doomsday America without the ability to leave then how is anything going to help you?
The reality is far different from "Mad Max" and "Escape from New York", but of course that requires reading history books and doing some research instead of plugging in a DVD...
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This is a reply to # 1,054,731Unless I am misunderstanding, this isn't some article, but stated in the Patriot Act.
"Strange how the definition of these forms of gold would show up under 17 pages of regulations pursuant to the Patriot Act having to do with identification of persons boarding and de-boarding aircraft and a multitude of other topics. Once you analyze the situation, it becomes obvious that these regulations were published in this manner, so as to keep the information from the general public and avoid suspicions of confiscation and the resulting objections. "
- Re: Gold Confiscation Issue: History... Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,054,757There are as many interpretations of this as there are lawyers. That said; I wouldn't buy a Gold fund held in the US (or anywhere really). I can't imagine gold confiscation on a level of FDR, especially since it yielded very little gold and most held onto it anyhow.
That said; a nice fat chunk sitting in a vault in NY would be easy pickings while the sheople held those certificates...
Silver is better unless you expect the entire constitution to be overturned…then, can I interest you in an island in the South Pacific instead…
- Royal Canadian Mint is no longer tak... Newport
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This is a reply to # 1,054,774Snippet from
http://www.lemetropolecafe.com:
The Royal Canadian Mint is no longer taking orders for silver maple leafs. They are behind by some 500,000 pieces and it seems unlikely they will get caught up before year end. Last week I ordered 2,000 and it took me all morning and I had to deal with two vendors. Normally it is a five minute process on a single phone call. I found some I can have by mid December but 1,000 won't be delivered until mid January. One distributor is now offering US silver eagles at close to maple leaf prices but I suspect it won't be long before the US mint is also overwhelmed. I know of two individuals who are liquidating Comex positions and converting to privately held silver maple leafs. They have no problem with the high premiums in view of where they see longer term silver prices. Both have no confidence that their physical ( eligible ) silver will not be subject to some subterfuge at the hands of the Comex authorities.
I also want to reiterate the possibility of all physical gold and silver specie vanishing from vendors who retail such items. There are some very serious bottlenecks that can easily disrupt the supply chain.
If one tenth of one percent of those who have savings decided to convert a good sized portion of their savings into real money, you would see every retailer and distributor of physical gold sold out in North America within hours. The resulting rising prices would attract some sellers but they will be almost irrelevant as demand would expose naked shorts and failure to deliver would exacerbate an already convoluted situation. By the time order would be restored to the market, the new price will be staggering. We may be a lot closer to a such a gold and silver panic than most folks think.
...Jax
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