talked to Joe Sandler for 15 minutes...on phone...from his Washington D.C. office.
He answered the phone...today seven days before the event.
On an internet search to separate the Good Wheat from the Chaff that needs to be put into the compost pile...much misinformation is part of the NO on 37 Campaign.
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SUMMARY
WHO CRAFTED PROP 37?
WAS IT WRITTEN BY ONE LAWYER AS THE NO SIDE PROPAGATES?
Who were the team what really wrote Prop 37? Dr. Bronner, President of Dr. Bronners Magic Soap was instrumental in getting Joe Sandler, Washington D.C. esteemed lawyer who advocates for putting Lobbiyists in their place. Joe is the Dr. Bronners attorney. Dr. Bronners is among the most ethical model companies in the US promoting Fair Trade and "Coexist" among all peoples. Many were consulted in crafting this simple brilliantly written Proposition that was simple enough to win. Others involved in the writing were Andrew Kimbrell, of the Center for Food Safety; John Fagan, a Scientists who specializes in Identifying GMOs in Foods. A host of farmers, grocers, and legislative specialists were called in. James Wheaton, attributed with writing the bill by the No on 37 Campaign, is an environmental lawyer who teaches at Stanford and is an advocate of First Amendment Rights. He was hired in the final weeks of the campaign as the main "Proponent," the person who submits the proposition to the State Attorney. He came in in the final weeks and had little to do with the actually crafting of the proposed law. Wheaton helped craft Prop 65. Prop 37 is very unlike Prop 65. The Legislature can refine the law after it passes if need be. Prop 37 was specifically crafted to cause no harm, no red tape to farmers. Pamm Larry, head instigator, told me it will cost about 350,000 at most to admin Prop 37, about one cent per person. It is a specifically a People's Initiative and the state will have little do do with its enforcement. Enforcement is left to people with stipulations that they themselves can be fined if they unjustly accuse a manufacture of misbranding. THe law gives ample time for all manufacturers to add a simple label, and where similar labels were accepted in Europe, food costs did not go up. This is law that gives us all the Right to Know and reestablishes the the Foundational Principles of America The Beautiful and Food Democracy in America.--
Leslie Goldman, Your Enchanted Gardener, Plant Your Dream Blog
READ MORE HERE ABOUT MY CONVERSATION WITH ATTORNEY JOE SANDLER AND PAMM LARRY HERE
from October 30, 2012
Prop 37 Lawyer Claims He Never Thought Much About His Wording
By Hank Campbell | September 27th 2012 07:42 AM | 32 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
THIS IS WHAT HANK CAMPBELL SAID
Here is a head scratcher; when confronted about the vague, conflicting language in Proposition 37 - even the real name, the California Right to Know Genetically Modified Food Act, is weird and disjointed - Attorney James Wheaton, who made his fortune in nuisance lawsuits under the Proposition 65 labeling act he championed, told the Sacramento Bee's Dan Moran he put so little thought into the verbage of Proposition 37 that he he hadn't given any thought to whether he might litigate over the new measure, if it passes.
Wait, a lawyer who was hand-picked by organic food companies TO WRITE AND LEAD THIS INITIATVE doesn't think he will sue, despite that being all he does, or even think it will lead to lawsuits? Consider me skeptical.
NOPE...STOP...HALT...WAIT HE WAS NOT THE WRITER.
HE WAS THE LAWYER WHO TURNED IN THE WORK AT THE END BECAUSE
HE KNOWS HOW TO TURN IN LEGISLATION
Wheaton had very little to do with the writing, or the crafting...he was the one chose, to turn it in.
In retrospect, from the PR that the 41 Million campaign made of this, Wheaton was a poor choice, but who knew? He is also a teacher at Stanford and has been involved in many good causes. Prop 65 has backfired in the eyes of many causing litigation and issues. Prop 37 is very differently written. For one thing, the legislature, if it chooses, could refine the bill. it was carefully worded to avoid issues such as litigation.
Further, the bill has no relationship to hurting farmers and little effect on
red tape.
Farmers are out of the picture. Organic farmers are exempt. Others just need to say on an honor system that they have a receipt for their seeds. There is no oversight from the state on this. There is no beauocratic set up, despite all the false No on 37 claims.
WHO DID CRAFT THE BILL?
CONVERSATION WITH JOE SANDLER
a group was involved...myself...Andy Kimbrell...and two scientists...
michael hansen, consumer union...John Fagan...center for food safety..
food chain consultant... He is very well known expert on gmo international
Joe Sandler drafted it...
Joe Sandle isr deeply involved with Ethics...
Ethics are important to him.
Joe Sandler knew knew how to get through the how legislative process and possible court challenges
from Monsanto and Co, who stop at nothing to stop people from having the RIght to Know.
JOE SANDLER WEBSITE
Mr. Sandler is the author of a chapter on election law aspects of the 2007 ethics and lobbying reform law for The Lobbying Manual (4th ed,—forthcoming) and of chapters on congressional ethics and the Foreign Agents Registration Act for The Lobbying Manual (1ST ED. 1993), both published by the ABA Section of Administrative Law and Regulatory Practice. Mr. Sandler currently serves as co-chair of that Section’s Task Force on Federal Lobbying Laws. He previously chaired the task force on reform of the Foreign Agents Registration Act for the International Trade Committee of the ABA’s Section on International Law.
Mr. Sandler is the author of several entries in The Encyclopedia of the First Amendment (CQ Press 2008); has published a variety of articles on campaign finance and election law; and has spoken on panels on campaign finance law and campaign finance reform sponsored by bar associations and advocacy organizations and guest lectured at
numerous law schools.
He was chosen in the final weeks of a long drafting process to be hired as the main legal proponent, the person who gives the bill to the State Attorney. He was hired by the Steering Committee.
JAMES WHEATON, THE MAIN LEGAL PROPONENT,
The man who turned in the paperwork for Prop 37
About him as a Teacher at Stanford
James Wheaton is founder and senior counsel for the First Amendment Project, a public interest law firm which protects peoples' First Amendment rights to learn about and participate in public affairs. He is also president of the Environmental Law Foundation, a public interest environmental justice program in Oakland.
Wheaton has played prominent roles in a number of civic and professional groups, including co-chair of the Society of Professional Journalists Northern California Chapter's Freedom of Information Committee. He is the former executive director of California Common Cause; he also served as an Oakland Public Ethics Commissioner and as a member of the executive committee of the California State Bar Environmental Section.
Wheaton received his undergraduate degree from Brown University and his law degree from the University of California at Berkeley. He has taught at San Francisco State University and at Berkeley's Graduate School of Journalism since 1999. http://comm.stanford.edu/faculty/wheaton/
JOHN FAGAN
Works with Andrew Kimbrell at the Center for Food Safety
He is listed here. He was one of the main scientists who worked on Prop 37,
EcoCerta Analises Ambientais Ltda. joins Genetic ID’s Global Laboratory Alliance
(Fairfield, Iowa, September 12, 2011)— Genetic ID, the global leader in GMO identification, announced that it has licensed its proprietary GMO testing technology to EcoCerta Analises Ambientais Ltda. (EcoCerta) in Brazil. As a licensee, EcoCerta will add GMO and species testing of agricultural and food products to its environmental testing portfolio. EcoCerta joins Genetic ID’s global network of GMO testing labs, known as the Global Laboratory Alliance (GLA).
John Fagan, Ph.D.
CEO and Chief Scientific Officer
Genetic ID
Fairfield, IA
641-472-9979
info@genetic-id.com http://www.genetic-id.com
WHO IS ANDREW KIMBRELL,
OF THE CENTER FOR FOOD SAFETY?
Andrew Kimbrell has been one of our lead attorneys stopping GMO proliferation.
Andrew is interviewed here.
He was on the program for the recent National Heirloom Expo, but was ill the eve of his talk.
Andrew Kimbrell, Executive Director
Andrew Kimbrell is a public interest attorney, activist and author. He has been involved in public interest legal activity in numerous areas of technology, human health and the environment. After working for eight years as the Policy Director at the Foundation for Economic Trends, Kimbrell established the International Center for Technology Assessment (CTA) in 1994 and the Center for Food Safety(CFS) in 1997. Kimbrell has written several books and given numerous public lectures on a variety of issues. He has been featured on radio and television programs across the country, including The Today Show, the CBS Morning Show, Crossfire, Headlines on Trial, and Good Morning America. He has lectured at dozens of universities throughout the country and has testified before congressional and regulatory hearings. In 1994, the Utne Reader named Kimbrell as one of the world’s leading 100 visionaries.
The concerns about prop 37 adding to government jobs and need to oversight are not accurate.
This was a concern that it would drive up costs, as expressed by David Larsen, of the Hillcrest FM.
Pamm Larry said it could cost $350,000 a year, about one cent per person.
In relationship to what we would gain, that looks very small.
People would have choice. The conversation has not been opened, and that is worth millions.
Mark Bittman, of the New York Times, says Labeling in America is inevitable.
Prop 37 has made a big difference, any way you look at it.
OTHER NOTES TO GO OVER FROM PAMM LARRY
Show a Seed Receipt and let it be known that they are using Non GMO seed.
Farmers already keep those receipts.
brilliant
If a consumer went all the way to sue, the manufacturer would have 30 days to label or take off the
shelf.
PAMM LARRY ON JAMES WHEATON
James Wheaton came in at end. He is professor of law. She says she never heard his name until a few He was hired by the steering committee.
hired as steering. He gave a little advise.
gave a little advice, Prop 37 was put before tons of lawyers before Wheaton. The Prop was brilliantly written. It had to pass through the eyes of people who understood national and international law, she said.
Joe Sandler was Dr. Bronner's Magical Soap's lawyer.
The prop was written specifically to have the least impact on the legal system.
It was written to pass.
People are the watchdog on GMO labeling, not the state.
We can file a complaint. Then the manufacturer would be notified.
we file a complaint. Someone would have to test. IF misbranded, they could be sued.
This brings to mind the work of Alfred W. McCann who was a writer for the Globe. He took many to court and won. He was one of the pioneers of the Food Reform Movement, around 1919.
we can be fined if bring false claim
THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT PROP 65 DID AND PROP 37 CAN DO
There is no Gov Testing because of cost. tTe state very little involved--
No one running around from the state to enforce. That is not part of it.
WHY FARM BUREAU AGAINST IT?
Farm Bureau is a
6 million insurance company. They are invested in big ag.
Who supports it?
ca state grange supports---
HOW IS IT GOING AS OF OCTOBER 30?
Very close, she said. neck and neck--
We won't likely know the results on election night.
YES is still ahead.
We are getting getting mobilized on ground
People who are voting no can be flipped.
They are not doing as well as they thought they would do. That is why they are finding even more
money to spend, the no side.
SAN DIEGO COUNTY IS GROUND ZERO
sd county worse
polling
15 points down.
ground-zero--
a lot more support needed here.
LOS ANGELES
3 or four points up
lA
She is cautiously optimistic, one week out.
SHE IS EXCITING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF OUR GRASSROOTS MOVING NATIONALLY
We have shifted the conversation.
29 state coalitions have formed.--
Many articles on the CA RIGHT TO KNOW SITE
Mark Bittmasn labeling inevitable
monday night
webinar monday--
farm and alliance conference, invited her, but there were not enough balance so she said no.
Their industry needs to prove itself to the consumers.
Thursday conference
KIDS ARE HANDING OUT FLYERS
kids to hand out flyers--
reverse trick--
I told here I felt hurt friends...and allies... but after the time with Pamm, I am picking myself up from the floor after being n shock....to hear that many effected by the deceptions.
11:55 pm
MY PLAN FOR THE FINAL SEVEN DAYS...
to do.
it is now 1:38 pm
October 30, 2012
HOW SHALL I SPEND MY TIME?
I asked her. Talk to people who do not know about it.
They will vote yes.
I did that yesterday to Cynthia at FedEx/
NEW PETITION WILL INSPIRE 7.5 MILLION + 2 TO BE THE NEW GRASSROOTS
WE NEED TO TRANSFORM AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL
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