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From:
Date: Thu Aug 10, 2000 3:15pm
Subject: wow! cont...



It would seem by my painful experience with the flush last night
that I indeed was having a gallstone attack during the flush. I had
steady severe pain in the upper abdomen that increased raipidly and
lasted from several minutes to longer for hours. I had colic, gas,
belching, indigestion, nausea and small amount of vomitting along
with chills. For a first time experience this was not pleasant.
Everything I have read has said, "no pain." Wow, was I surprised!
This afternoon I passed about 10 more, with one being especially
large, 1.5 cm. I hope the next time I do this it is more as others
have experienced, and not so tramatic.
I have had trouble with indigestion and severe stomach pains in
the evenings periodically for years. It is caused by the entrance
flap to the stomach flipping into the open position and the stomach
acid flows back up the esphagus and burns the lining, which is very
painful. The symtoms last night seemed similar. I normally take
Zantac and/or a sleeping pill called Ambien to relieve the situation.
But I was afraid I might cause some interference with the flush so I
didn't take the Zantac or Ambien.
Does anyone have a comment on using a stomach acid reducer or
sleeping aid the next time I do a flush?
thanks, Jerome


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From:
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 11:09pm
Subject: Flush or fiction?



Obviously we will not settle the "flush or fiction" debate this
week... after all, the debate has raged for over 100 years.


35 years ago my mother suffered greatly with gallstones. After a few
months of suffering she opted to "flush." She never had another
attack again... although she would always burp when we would rub her
shoulders.


Two years ago our 20 year old nanny complained that she had been told
she needed a $5000 operation to remove her gb. She said that since
she was 13 she would go to the hospital and be given pain killers
with regular attacks. Now she was having attacks daily and the
doctors wanted to operate, but she had no money to pay.

Her first flush produced grape sized stones,
her second flush two weeks later produced next to nothing...

Two years later... not one sign of an attack or indigestion
just a little diahrea when drinking milk!



No... I'm not so lucky, but I know that a week after each flush all
symptoms go away... not stomach aches or attacks for 3-9 months.


Conclusion: The flush may not be a cureall... if you want a magic
bullet... go find an MD with a knife. You don't really need the gb
anyway... God just made a stupid mistake by including that little
sac...


My Dad and sister had theirs out and went on to eat whatever they
wanted... just about 70-100 pounds over-weight each one of them.
Could it be we need that little sac? I'd take 1-2 attack a year for
the rest of my if it keeps my eating habits right and my weight under
control... Remember, we may be the lucky few when heed the warning
signs of poor diet and take the hard, yet rewarding road to great
health with a little bit of pain when we cheat! ken


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From: Diane Combs
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 7:34pm
Subject: To flush or not to flush



This is such and interesting debate. I think that the anecdotes from
people who got out large stones are pretty convincing. It isn't
proof pos though. However, trusting soul that I am, I do believe
this can work to flush stones. I flushed once and got a load of
greenies and next time I flush I will screen because I didn't really
look to see past the floaters to the sinkers and check out if there
were some bonafied calicium stones. After my flush I had the worst
gallbladder attack of all time. Apparently the stone had tried to
move out of the gallbladder and got stuck in the neck. My stone was
an inch and a quarter last time it was measured by the ultrasound.
According to the doctors, it is way to large to pass even if the
flush could work. Anyway.. I am now trying the stone crushing
herbs and I eat only raw foods. My health has improved immensely and
I haven't had an attack in months! However, I am convinced my stone
is still in there. Sometimes I feel a poking feeling in that area.
I am going to do a parasite cleanse and then try flushing again. I
would have done that earlier but I didn't want to do the parasite
cleanse until cherry season is over. I wait all year for cherry
season and that is one of the foods not recommended when doing the
parasite cleanse. Actually the only fruit recommended is apples and
cranberries. So.. cherry season is almost over and the parasite
cleanse will begin. PRobably next week. I hope I can get that big
ol stone out with the flush. Good health..


Diane


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From: Dale Williams
Date: Wed Aug 16, 2000 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Softening of gallstones



I primarily used the GCG and didn't have the Hydrangea Root until around August
of 99. I took the GCG for about three weeks before my first flush. I took it
mainly because when I was told I had A Stone that is all I was able to
ascertain regarding having stones. So I felt a need to breakup whatever may be
there since all I could get from my doctor or the hospital was that I had "A"
Stone. I took my GCG in fresh squeezed apple juice, which I also drank the
weeks before the flush. I must admit, I really thought with all the stones I
got out on that first flush that I didn't have anymore. But as I learned latter
stones develop in the liver and are passed into the gallbladder where they will
grow in size as time goes on. So, the stones in the liver, then, move and let
others come forward. That is the reason why it is figured that thousands of
stones need to pass before the liver is cleared of a major amount of them. And
that is why the flush is called a liver and gallbladder flush. Dale
Da_Williams@msn.com


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From: E+JW
Date: Tue Jul 25, 2000 7:17am
Subject: out



After being in pain for more than a month (almost all day) and after having 4
attacks a week (longest one: 22 hours) I couldn't deal with this anymore, so
last week my gallbladder has been removed. In spring I was doing very well
after having pain during some weeks, but the stuff I used before, didn't help
me now. I was also watching my food and EFA's for a long time, but before this
I was always eating healthy, I'm 55 kg's, so it wasn't my way of living that
caused the troubles. Now I couldn't take it much longer, physically and also
mentally, felt like a time-bomb. They took out a 21 mm.stone and several little
ones. I am reliefed the congestion has gone, but for a long time I was thinking
the alternative way worked for me, more's the pity. Every day I read the mails,
and gave me the feeling I wasn't alone in this. I learned a lot from you! Wish
you all the luck! Edith / Holland.


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From:
Date: Thu Aug 31, 2000 9:54am
Subject: Re: gallbladder cleanse



Hello Diane,

I too have much g.bladder liver pain and attacks. I am currently breast
feeding my 10 month old baby and did the g.bladder flush last night, she has
had no diareha stomach cramps, crying spells or anything since last evening.
I only took two Epsom Salt dosages last night at 6pm and 8 pm then at 10 took
the olive oil/g.juice.
I skipped one dose (took a cup for the 2 doses) I had done these flushes
before I was pregnant for about two years until there was no more stones
coming out. My liver hurts so very much I felt like I had to do something I
was successful in getting out a lot of stones out so far, one as big as a
grape!


I find a coffee retention enema very helpful also, I feel better not so sick
to my stomach and headache.


It is nice to read of others b.feeding and trying to determine the balance of
what to take and not to take. I too feel the strain on my digestive system
and liver but am so pleased with my babys health and the bond that has taken
place. if any other mothers out there have any other tips or comments please
speak up the support is wonderful.


Take care,
Lisa


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Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:45:03 +0200
From: "Dr. Clark Assn."
To: info@drclark.net
Subject: Dr. Hulda Clark : New Information on www.drclark.net



story 1


"I believe Dr. Clark's liver cleanse saved my life. After several attacks (the
lying on the floor screaming type) a friend introduced me to Dr. Clark's liver
cleanse program. I didn't wait to do the parasite program as I was still in
pain (even though I was taking pain pills) I did the procedure and there were
20 or 30 stones as big as
my thumb, plus a hundred or so smaller ones. I did it again after the third
week of the parasite program and still again 2 weeks later. That last time
there were just a few little ones. The doctor had told me that I needed an
operation IMMEDIATELY or I would die! But at the hospital, I was told they
couldn't operate because my liver was infected for which they gave me
penicillin! Thank God! They were going to cut out my gallbladder!
CP"
***



story 2


"Dr. Clark

Good morning to you and your staff. I really appreciate all you are doing for
those of us who have cancer or have had cancer. My brother and myself have both
been diagnosed with prostrate cancer. At the time I found out, 2 years ago, I
didn't know about alternative treatments so I just went along with my doctor
and had the operation to remove my prostrate. Since then I have read your books
and have followed up with your parasite program. My brother, on the other hand,
decided to try alternative methods after I told him about your book and other
ways of treating cancer without his prostrate being removed. He started the
parasite program plus he went to a Clinic in R., Nevada, Dr. B., that works
with improving the immune system.(Dr. B. supports your methods). His PSA was
over 6, with a positive biopsy of cancer, but now it is below 1. Now his
regular medical doctor is all upset because he didn't follow his advice to
remove the prostate even though the PSA is back to normal. In fact he had an
appointment yesterday with his doctor and this doctor actually told him that he
would be dead within 3 years and said all these alternative methods he has
tried is all a bunch of quackery and these doctors are taking him for a sucker.
What is going on in this country? The regular medical doctors are out to stop
anyone that does not do it their way. I believe in these alternative methods
because I saw what the conventional medicine did to my father-in-law that just
died from lung cancer.

BM"

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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, mro wrote:




Hi all,


just wanted to spread the good news, had a very
successful liver flush!!!! Currently on a 10 day
Master Cleanse fast, did a 5 day liquid fast about 2
weeks ago, and did a Liver Flush last night/this
morning. This is the 3rd Liver flush, instructions I
got from Dr. Clark's receipe in "Cure for All
Diseases".


Two previous flushes got out a couple hundred stones,
but none large. Also didn't follow the receipe as
closly as did this time.

This flush followed an anti-parasite program which Dr.
Clark says is essential. It showed, since I got out
older, darker stones, and boy were they big! 1/2 inch
+ diamater. Feeling tugging in gb area and feel there
are more to come out. No wonder I was allergic to so
much!


Can't even imagine how little room there is in
my gb with all those huge stones!


And all the MD's said my contracted gb was normal.


So glad I found this list and that there is dialouge
and the brave souls who don't accept the treatment
restrictions of modern Western medicine.


Still feeling as if there are stones stuck though.
Any suggestions?


Best to you all.

Matty


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--- In gallstones@egroups.com, "D Patterson" wrote:




My baby is 7 months and she gets all her meals from me. I have done
the flush while nursing and taken lots of herbs. I'm on a product for
my liver right now. If you have a homeopath that does muscle testing
he can check the baby to see if it will effect him. That's what mine
has done. Right now I'm taking a cleansing product on my own that
says to consult a Dr if pregnant or nursing but so far it hasn't
effected her.


There is a site I think Moms4milk.org that might be able to tell you
better what products are actually not for nursing. If you can't find
it let me know and I will look it up. I have the link. They said that
there is quite a lot that you can actually take that won't effect
baby in a negative way.


I hope that helps.


I personally would try all you can do with the liver cleanse and the
fruit diet and things first. I had the surgery in October and it was
horrible. I didn't heal in a week like they said. It took me 6 weeks
for the pain to go away. Granted I was not the average and a lot had
to do with the fact that I had to take care of a family and didn't
have time to recover and rest. The surgery is no guarantee also that
it will help. It just depends on what you are going through. I
personally couldn't take the 14 hr attack at the er anymore and with
all the pain killers not working. I couldn't imagine going home on
narcotics and trying to take care of my family.


I hope you will find some answers.


I'm back to juicing again and that makes a difference for me.
Best of luck


Diane

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--- In bowelcleanse%egroups.com,


machelle morton wrote:



Just wanted to say THANKS! We tried it, and it worked great! My
husband has passed over 75 stones so far, and has no more pain so far
(it's been 2 days now). He was very hesitate and I
had to kinda push him some, but now he's a real believer.


We're wanting to do the parasite cleanse now. Anybody got a good
suggestion on where we should start? I've order Dr. Clark's book, but
haven't received it yet. Thanks for any suggestions
you can give us.




str8barber@a... wrote:


> Yes!!! I do have further suggestions!!!

Look up gallstone cleanse on the net!!!

I did my cleanse before I knew how to use a computer, didn't know
there were various ways.

Although mine is is the simplest and most inexpensive,
I would think you would want to know lots about it
before you embarked upon it.

I really am thankful I trusted the friend who suggested it to me....
saved myself lots of money.

There are sites that explain all the complications the system
can go through without a gallbladder, too....

many people have severe problems because the gall bladder has a function,
and is needed by the rest of the digestive tract.

I'm glad you saw the post, hope whatever your husband decides to do works well.


Susan
 

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