Date:   3/18/2008 9:56:39 PM ( 16 y ago)
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I've got some thoughts, but not knowing what you mean by a "series of cleanses" makes it impossible to say for sure. By a series, do you mean you did all of the system cleanses in a row (liver, colon, kidneys, skin, etc)...or do you mean you did a full series of Liver Cleanses until you stopped seeing stones & debris from your liver?

If you mean you did one cleanse of each organ/system, then the first thought is this: ONE Liver Flush (whether doing the week-long Schulze cleanse OR the typical overnite flush (1/2 c oil, 1/2 cup citrus), is a LONG way from thoroughly cleansing your liver & gallbladder.

I just coached a lady through a series of flushes (3 of the overnite flushes in less than 2 weeks) so that she wouldn't have to have her gallbladder carved out (and I've coached countless others on cleansing & flushing)...I know of no one that does just one flush that has gotten any substantial relief of symptoms for any length of time, and many symptoms worsen temporarily, and/or new ones can appear. This is especially true of people taking various herbs that loosen the debris in the liver...but never do enough flushing to get it out. (This can be true of basically ANY cleansing protocol).

The rule of thumb in the natural world of health... Liver Flush once every two weeks until the volume of stones or debris lessens, and then flush AT LEAST two times yearly for maintenance (Andreas says flushing once a month -rather than every two weeks- will work, but that can be flushing too far apart for the loosening benefit of the flush before it to have a positive benefit on the flush after it. Each flush would be like 'starting over', in the sense that everything that was loosened and ready to come out from the previous flush, would settle back down and have to be 're-loosened').

The herbs and process in Liver Flushing WILL NOT HARM YOUR LIVER OR GALLBLADDER...although disturbing and loosening debris that has been there for DECADES without properly completing a series of flush, can certainly exacerbate symptoms and conditions. It is also very possible to see a worsening in condition and liver health if the stones and debris are not cleared completely from the digestive tract/colon after flushing. Andreas Moritz recommends a colonic or colema after flushing...at the very least a couple of enemas or two doses of Epsom Salts . Any debris from the liver/gallbladder that isn't eliminated asap WILL reabsorb through the lining of the colon faster than ANYTHING...as anything mixed with bile is rapidly absorbed. Hence the stale bile, sludge & decomposing debris (that's laden with decades worth of toxic substances) can indeed cause quite a 'backward effect' (and a HUGE amount of stress on the liver), if the debris is not properly (and quickly) eliminated. I personally feel this is one of the things Schulze doesn't address adequately when he 'markets' his 5 day liver cleanse. However, if one is doing his liver cleanse along with the Incurables Program (or with the bowel cleansing program, or they have already achieved the normal 3 bowel movements daily), then folks probably won't run into issues. When Schulze was in clinical practice, almost every patient was doing some form of high-enema daily...so of course, this was addressed.

We are undoing a lifetime of damage done to our bodies by our unhealthy lifestyle and ingestion of health-destroying poisonous chemicals...this is certainly not a overnite or a few weeks in a row type of project.

When you research Dr. Schulze s clinical work, you'll find that many times he had people doing full Liver Flushes (the one-night kind, with a CUP of olive oil and a cup of citrus) ingested 1/4 cup at a time over several hours before bed. And these were not healthy people (in case you're thinking this is "too harsh" or "I'm not healthy enough") - these were people that had already been declared hopeless, and had outlived their prognosis. They were weak, sick, laden with tumors and as 'fragile' as humans can be. BUT, the miraculous thing, the body is programmed to heal itself...the only thing holding it back is our fear and lack of knowledge AND THE FACT THAT OUR ORGANS ARE CLOGGED, SLUGGISH and CANNOT WORK PROPERLY. (the "all caps" is not a 'scream', it's the only way I have to emphasize what I'm saying).

How in the world can we expect our bodies to heal if we don't fully cleanse and restore the basic organs to proper working order first?

To answer a few of your questions:

...yes, doing one liver cleanse and not following it up with a series of liver cleanses/flushes to remove the debris you loosened and disturbed in the first cleanse, can indeed cause their to be blockages that were not there in the first place...and that will effect the flow of bile into your digestive tract.

...yes, you can easily have an obstruction without pain - virtually every adult on the planet has a narrow, clogged biliary system, and very few have pain. They just have other symptoms of fatigue, tiredness, susceptibility to infections, sometimes a dull ache in the mid-back (which is DEFINITELY liver), and all kinds of "typical" aging and non-vibrant health.

...problems digesting meat? Hmmm, when in healing mode, meat is basically a forbidden food. The process of digestion is incredibly taxing on the body, and grains, meat & some dairy take FOUR-SIX hours to digest...IF all systems are functioning normally. Every time one's body enters into the digestive system, the body diverts 65-70% of it's energy and resources to the digestive tract/organs/system...all that energy COULD be used for healing, but not if almost every organ is 'doing it's thing' as it relates to digestion. That is why the first 30 days of the Incurables Program is a strict juice fast...the juices are jam-packed with vital nutrients & enzymes that can be absorbed and utilized in 15 minutes AND the body has an additional 70% of it's energy to use them to heal what IT KNOWS needs to be healed and repaired. If you're having problems digesting meat, your body is telling you something very clearly ::::smirky grin:::: whatdyathink it might be telling you? How about: please stop eating meat and give me the cleansing and diet I need - until you do, I'm going to keep having problems with meat. Symptoms are our bodies way of screaming out for help; it's always good to listen to what it's saying, eh?

...not being able to process/digest oil depends firstly upon the type of oil. If the oil is hydrogenated, transfat, margarine (typical store-bought salad dressing, salad oil, corn oil and deep fried foods), you SHOULD have a problem digesting them. Margarine is only one molecule away from being plastic. When I cleanse, treat and deal with my liver (I also do coffee enemas), I always use a stethoscope so I can hear what's going on. When one ingests 1-2 tablespoon of healthy, non-processed olive oil, you can hear the liver producing bile, and you can hear it flowing through the liver & gallbladder. When one ingest 1-2 tablespoons of UNhealthy hydrogenated oil?...the liver goes TOTALLY DEAD. It doesn't recognize it as fat, so it doesn't produce the bile necessary to properly digest it. IF you're having problems digesting healthy oils, then you can bet the root problem is not enough bile production/flow...obviously caused by a sluggish, impacted/clogged liver.

>>>> I don't see how undoing this problem is not possible.<<<<
You're absolutely correct!! There is NO issue of ill health that cannot be remedied - the body is a miraculous healing machine. BUT it was NOT designed to overworked and plowed with chemical poisons (in the air, water, & food) and now, genetically modified substances...(which have been proven to actually shrink the size of the liver and kidneys in mice)...daily for decades on end. So if you DID do a series of Liver Flushes before and you didn't do 2-4 more the year following, you're probably/definitely good n' clogged.

It is good that you paid attention to your body's signals and noted the jaundice. That's definitely a sign of liver issues (of course, you know that). It sounds like you only did one flush, and you easily could have dislodged a large stone or debris that clogged your liver or gallbladder further (and caused you to feel the cleanse was too harsh or too much, when in fact it was the opposite). Think of a car engine (that's almost always a good analogy). If a car is 'running rocky' and you throw in a bit of fuel-line cleanser (but DON'T change the oil, clean the carb and THOROUGHLY clean the fuel lines), you can end up with quite a mess. One 5 day Liver Flush can do the same.

It's great you're taking milk thistle (hopefully it's guaranteed and certified organic, and grown in the US). My guess is you probably need to take more. I personally add 1 huge heaping teaspoon daily of root powder to my daily Superfood.

What do I recommend? I recommend a series of Liver Flushes (two weeks apart, possibly closer together) using the liver flush recipe/protocol of Hulda Clark on the Liver Flush Forum :
//www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=447
(see the link "Liver Cleanse/Flush Recipe" toward the top of the page)...you don't need the Ornithine in Hulda Clark s recipe, nor do you need to do a parasite cleanse first...although you may need to do a parasite cleanse if you see liver flukes in your flush - that's another post/topic)

I recommend you preface each by eating at least 2-3 apples daily the week before OR drinking a gallon of freshly juiced apple juice (or cider) over the week before OR taking 2-3 Tablespoons of raw, organic apple cider vinegar daily for the week before...AND taking Dr. Schulze s Liver Tincture every day for the entire time it takes to do the series of flush (if it were me, I'd buy the herbs and make the tincture myself...that'd be far cheaper and would yield an even more potent tincture). And I recommend you continue on the milk thistle (probably up the dose); take DOUBLE Superfoods daily (this is imperative, your body NEEDS the fuel to do the cleansing and restoring); do a one hour castor oil pack at least three times weekly, preferably nightly over the liver & gallbladder(all night would be better than one hour); do hot/cold hydrotherapy on your liver (at the minimum every time you shower 1 minute hot/1 minute cold/7 reps/end with cold), better yet, get two hot water bottles, and do hot/cold reps several times daily; that you juice fast (with freshly juiced juices) as often as possible (even if it's only a day or two, or even half a day): and change your diet to primarily raw organic foods (definitely ditch the meat & grains for now). Oh yes, and if you're not already having two-three healthy bowel movements daily, then it's also imperative that you do the IF#1/IF#2 for as long as necessary to accomplish it...yes, WHILE you're doing the Liver Cleansing and healing.

How's THAT for a recommendation?!? :::grin::: If you do all of that, you won't believe the healing that will happen. Think of it like restoring a classic car that's a rusted heap of junk. Oh yeah, you can do these things one at a time, and MAYBE (and it's a big maybe), you'll ultimately end up with the car looking and running better. But if you go slow (one lil' repair or restoration at a time), you can easily end up with the part that you cleansed & restored 'wearing out and getting reclogged up again' while you're dislodging the junk and cleansing the other parts. Give you body want it needs and wants...the chance to prove to you that it CAN heal itself IF the engine parts are clean and you're giving it high-grade-premium fuel!

Healthiest of blessings -

Unyquity

Edit: Whoops, I forgot...there's no such thing as too much fresh ginger root, garlic and super hot cayenne! Several inches of ginger root, up to 6-7 big organic cloves of garlic and several teaspoons of 150,000-300,00 Heat Unit of cayenne daily (work up to it on the garlic and cayenne)...or 2 dropperful of topshelf cayenne tinture every couple of hours:

Definition: Gastrointestinal agents that stimulate the flow of bile into the duodenum (cholagogues) or stimulate the production of bile by the liver (choleretic).

HELP your liver to cleanse itself and produce more bile by ingesting as many cholagogues and choleretics as you possibly can...off the top of my head here -
ginger root, garlic, parsley, radish, dandelion, milk thistle, globe artichoke,
tumeric. Do a Google search for more.

And of course, I always forget...listen closely to your own Doctor Within (but listen with an educated mind and spirit - read several hundred posts on the Liver Flush Forum so you'll know what you're looking for, and looking OUT for. Liver Flushing can bring on clogs & pain where there once was none...if you don't know what you're looking out for, then there's no way to understand what your Doctor Within is telling you. Also see this post:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1124724#i
- this is kind of post you're wanting to read so you can compare and learn all the various results and outcomes that Liver Flushing can result in.

Obviously if you redevelop jaundice, of course, you'll need to re-evaluate. However IF you support your liver with castor oil packs, hot/cold therapy and a good diet, the likelihood of redeveloping jaundice is mighty slim.

ALSO - NO ALCOHOL. All the blood in your body flows through the liver every three minutes. It takes a full hour for the liver to convert the alcohol to various substances and ultimately neutralize alcohol...and several times through the liver, the alcohol goes through as FORMALDEHYDE.
 

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