i have never used those. i will probably give them a try soon. i don't know, but there must be something for body; i think neyskin is both, but it is expensive. for wrinkles on skin, i would get anything with alpha hydroxy, hyaluronic acid and retinoic acid (preferrably retin-a). i buy my retin-a in mexico, because the company overseas uses perfume in theres i cannot stand. if i still had a problem i would use neyskin and i would experiment with the others on the list on the last post. i am 42.