You people are like two year olds. Whining attacking foot stomping, it's to bad the Webmaster didn't boot every shill from the pro pharma, made for profit truth ministry forum, you're all as insolent as Havacow. Never seen a man attack so many before him, he went to every forum he could to try to discredit it, why, to sell his products that never helped anyone, no positive testimony ,just complaints, then havafit would sell them something else, pure snake oil.