Call me a sheep, call me a follower, but I have been studying this all day, and at this time, I am believing the following statements by our Government. Now, I don't know exactly what the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SSP) (what is being referred to by some as the North American Union) is, because it is written in a political fashion and it would take me a while to read and decipher it (if I can); But, I don't want to jump to conclusions until I have given it a fair read. Now, I'm not saying the U.S. and the world is not headed in a downward spiral of destruction, I believe we are. And, desperate times call for desperate measures, but this merging of the three nations is just a little much for me to swallow at this point.
The Federal Government on it's website says:
The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.
The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.
http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=1184&i=262
Torrie did you read all of Dq's post, together with the links?
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961807#i
And Chris' post, together with all his links?
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961935#i
You have read the government's side. Go through and read the other side. Look at the links. Then weigh the evidence. It is obvious that the government is blatantly lying to us.
This is why we are up in arms, because as they lie to us, behind our backs they are indeed busy forming the North American Union.
I am not going to give you examples, as you have the example in the two above posts. Read and compare. What's wrong with this picture?
Luella
Yes, I have been reading all day. That is exactly why I came to the conclusion and posted what I did.
Do you base your faith in the government website information on the govenment's long history of honesty or in it's record of putting the concerns of citizens above those with money and power?
We ARE talking about the same people that told us Vioxx was safe until it had killed more of our citizens than lost their lives in the Viet Nam war? The same ones that lied about how much radioactive fallout there was from the above ground nuclear tests for decades? Who trotted out doctors and scientist to testify before Congress for four decades that vitamins had no health benefit at all and could in fact be harmful? Same ones who experimented upon our own brave soldiers and lied about it? Denied veterans benefits for victims of Agent Orange or Gulf War Syndrome with lies? Assured us of the weapons of mass destruction? I could go on for a few more years here . . . . but I think you see my point that those guys have a wee trust issue.
If the government is telling the truth then Dobbs, CNN, Russo, etc., whom all have a track record for honesty, are lying to us (and when have you ever seen the government tell the truth when than many respected figures said they were lying). Not to mention the Center for Media & Democracy, famed conservative journalist Jerome Corsi, and Connie Fogal, the leader of the Canadian Action Party, as well as a host of others:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=North_American_Union
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1355300745194023737
As Dobbs noted, and as the Center for Media and Democracy and Corsi pointed out, SPP is merely a part of the North American Union blueprint laid out at a key meeting of the Council for Foreign Relations. And of course no one in this administration (I promise to get mercury removed from vaccines, there were WMD, etc) would ever be part of a conspiracy. BTW, did you happen to notice who it was in the Dobbs broadcast that introduced supporting legislation in the House? A representative from Florida named Kathryn Harris. Ring a bell? Yes, the same Kathryn Harris who was on the Bush campaign staff and also was the head of the Florida Elections Commission. The one who held up the recount and helped Bush steal the election.
Yeah, it is a bitter pill to swallow, but the prescription was written long ago, and if we do not wake up and act - and stop believing anything the powers behind the movement spoon feed us - we will all soon be gagging on it.
War of the worlds was an apt choice of words. It has been said that the War of the Worlds was really a dress rehearsal for a government created panic used to control the citizenry, and it was said so long before 9/11. Be that as it may, the image of people being panicked and herded and huddling in groups around their only sources of infomation, an oulandish fabrication over the radio, is a good one. Even the fictional one might work - except that the monsters would be humans.
Maybe I should have mentioned that I also posted my original message in both the News(http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961807#i) and the Conspiracy Debate forum (http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=961789#i) ?
That way the debates could be held at the debate forums and the news kept to the news forum. AND what I consider the most important post I have made at CureZone would not keep sliding down the page at the News Forum!
If it were anyone but you I would frankly be angry instead of just mostly frustrated because I know how your posts often come in rapid fire clusters and know you mean no harm while you kind of "think and post out loud" while you work an issue out, but I will say that if YOU or any other respected member of CureZone had made an initial post that said "Nothing is More Important" in the title, I would have beem veru careful in what I posted, much less had an ongoing debate, mostly with myself, and made at least 10 more posts above that one while it slid farther and farther down the page and out of site.
If I am wrong about what is happening, then all I have done is made a fool of myself with good intentions and causes some unneccessary worries. Heck, I always had trouble with the idea that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy - and there was a whole government commission that said he did. But if I am right, and I feel very strongly that I am right, or very close to it, then I might make a difference. Making a difference is a great part of why I came here to begin with. And in typical do-gooder fashion I have spent a whole day trying to help or warn others when I was supposed to be making some money.
As Eric Burdon and the Animals once sang, "I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood".
Peace,
DQ
These posts actually belong in the conspiracy debate forum.
For me to believe that there probably is no real plan in action to combine the economies of the three nations, does not require I believe in the Government or what it tells me. It only requires that I believe those who speak of the North American Union, less. I am looking at it as a preponderance.
That is a far stretch from trucks to intertwined economies.
I found this interesting:
I have watched with some amusement as centrist, liberal and uncategorizable blogs attempt to herald Ron Paul as a reasonable conservative, especially after his statement in the last debate that claimed that American foreign policy invited the 9/11 attacks. That blame-America, 18th-century isolationist thinking appeals to a large subset of the voting population, and for the past week we have been treated to an avalanche of paeans to Ron Paul in the blogosphere.
However, Republicans have always known that Ron Paul is a loose cannon waiting to blow up in the face of unsuspecting followers. Some intrepid bloggers, such as Curt at Flopping Aces, have a few more examples of Ron Paul's "truth-telling" that will also surely get the endorsement of these same bloggers. Right?
Eleven years ago, the Houston Chronicle reported that Ron Paul's newsletter highlighted what he saw as a criminal community (emphases mine):
Paul, writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, reported about unspecified surveys of blacks.
"Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action,"Paul wrote.
Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.
Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."
Not enough yet? How about Paul's suggestion that the age of adulthood for criminal prosecution be lowered -- for blacks?
He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."
But, hey, Paul's paranoia isn't limited to African-Americans. He fears the Joooooooos, too:
Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
This still may not convince liberals that Paul is nuttier than Aunt Mabel's pecan pie, but this next part will be guaranteed to end the Paul boomlet on the Left:
Relaying a rumor that Clinton was a longtime cocaine user, Paul wrote in 1994 that the speculation "would explain certain mysteries" about the president's scratchy voice and insomnia.
How did Ron Paul explain these writings? He claims that he didn't write them himself, but his staffers did -- and it was "too confusing" to explain afterwards:
His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: “They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn’t come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that’s too confusing. ‘It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.’”
Um, yeah. A politician sends out a newsletter filled with these kinds of paranoid rants, and then claims it would be "too confusing" to fire the people who supposedly wrote it in his name and explain that he didn't really believe in any of it. There's some real truth-telling for you!
So, who among Paul's recent defenders as "the only one ... who truly believes in individual liberty and actually believes everything he says" wants to tell us again why Paul is such a great candidate for President?
Anyone? Anyone?
UPDATE: Folks, real conservatives don't propose to create special distinctions of criminals based on the color of their skin. (Neither do real libertarians, for that matter.) Here's the entire text of Ron Paul's newsletter, and another snippet (emphasis mine):
Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots. Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.
Anyone who thinks that a man with this in his past can get elected President (as opposed to, say, the Senate seat from West Virginia) is as deluded as Ron Paul. Anyone defending these statements marginalizes himself.
I am not going to give this article the time of day. Suffice it to say that it is only part of the smear campaign against Ron Paul. If they can't find dirt on somebody they will make it up.
The title itself shows the mentality of the person that wrote it.
Luella
I don't know the guy, just thought the post was funny. All I have heard about Paul is that people think he thinks that 9/11 was an inside job. But, he says he doesn't believe that. He has to have some smarts, he's been a Congressman for 10 yrs. I think it is interesting how some say they don't like Government or trust anything they say, but they like this Paul guy. He is Government, isn't he?
The post is not funny Torrie. I am passionate about him and he is the only one who can save us. How I wish you could see this.
By the way. I stand behind him in saying that 911 was an inside job. I stand behind him in everything he says.
Luella
No, it is deadly serious talk from one of the few who know what is going on in the world and who it is that really controls much of the world, including our country. The silly talk comes from the blind masses who have been lulled to sleep while their countr, their freedoms and their wealth have been stolen right from under their noses while they are entertained and fed an unreal reality one soundbite and planted news story at a time. You know, the ones the government keeps lying to and they KNOW they have been lied to, but keep believing the government is now telling the truth.
BTW, do you think anyone who wantas to be President will tell you that they believe 9/11 was in inside job? If you listen carefully to what Paul says, he does not say the it was not an inside job so much as that it was not one of "us". That is because Mr. Paul and a great many others do not believe that any of the 25,000 or so key members of the New World Order group are part ot the good guys or, in the case of the ones living in our country, true Americans. I stood heard him say that very thing - from a distance of three feet away
As it is, he has already stated that our own actions invited 9/11 and made it clear that he would abolish the illegal internal revenue service and dismantle the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. Any one of those would be political suicide for most candidates except Ron Paul. I don't think he is going to say anything about 9/11 being an inside job except in cloaked terminology because there are too many of the great unwashed out there who have not a clue about what is really going on in the world - and too many agents in the public arena and in the largely controlled media who would use such a statement to play to those great unwashed.
Luella is quite right - Paul may be the only one who can save us. He is certainly the only viable candidate not controlled by the Rothschild/Rockefeller/Warburg/Bindenburg group determined to achieve world order - something rare to see any more.
The time for politics as usual is over as we pretend that we are really electing a president from a group of pre-selected and approved candidates in a TWO party system . That is just a beauty contest to decide if the left or right hand of the same puppet master is the most appealing.
DQ
A moderator stuck this thread in politics debate immediately after I posted it.
I feel we have no choice, but the election will come down to O'bama or Clinton on the democratic side, so I will vote for Clinton because she is experienced in the White House and female. We have always had male presidents, so females should have chances at it, too. It won't matter what is wrong with her or him, those will be our choices at the polls.
"I feel we have no choice, but the election will come down to O'bama and Clinton, so I will vote for Clinton because she is experienced in the White House and female. We have always had male presidents, so females should have chances at it, too. It won't matter what is wrong with her or him, those will be our choices at the polls."
LOL LOL LOL! Now that's an intelligent decision!
Luella