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Who here is a consultant at rhrplus? I've read the website and am very interested.
I believe I have contracted several parasites when ingesting 'dirty' raw milk last November.
A question I have is, 'how long is the life cycle of most parasites?' My symptoms are chronic...about every two weeks. I tend to have one week between flareups of good health. Is this systematic of parasites?
How does the lab work? I mean do I bring in stool samples to my doctor to send to your lab? Is this in conjunction with my local hospital lab? What about blood samples? I can't obtain those myself...unless you use a pin prick on my finger!
Do you send me actual pics of the varmins?
I truly wish I had a scientific mind to understand these things.
TIA,
mrsflib
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MoreThis is a reply to # 934,420Hi there
Many parasites have different life cycles. Difficult to say without proper tests being carried out. Parasites, microbes, toxins, molds, etc you'll find it all here.
Like you, I have regular flare-ups which make me very ill. It may help if you list your symptoms.
If you're thinking of having samples done I'm sure RHRPlus can take care of that. You probably wouldn't get much results through your own doctor. From personal experience I've found these tests to be very unreliable. That's why I turned to RHRPlus. And yes, if RHRPlus find anything, you'll get pictures.
Hope you get some answers.
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This is a reply to # 934,420Hello & Welcome to the Forum!
I'm DD, one of the consultants, with RHRPlus and the other person is Doc whose CZ handle is Apxr.
First of all, I want to say that I'm so sorry about the "dirty milk". Depending on your parasites some can last a lifetime. If not properly taken care of they can be very tenacious! What I've learned is that it is never one parasite that is a menace but several co-factors involving other organisms.
Our contact is directly with you. Basically, our service involves you sending us a sample(s) for microscopic inspection. In several weeks you'll receive pictures (micrographs) along with objective comments. After you receive the results, you can use this information for educational purposes or take it to your practitioner.
As far as samples go, we accept any all samples -- blood, stool, urine, skin scrapings, etc. Please feel free to email and I can give you further information on how to go about this for the best results.
If you don't mind, what kind of symptoms are you experiencing? Would you mind describing them?
Best of Health,
DD
- My symptoms.... mrsflib
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This is a reply to # 934,435Thank-you so much DD and all the folks here at Curezone who help us learn and heal.
Last summer we embarked on changing our diet towards a more natural, common sense one. We followed the writings of Nutritional Traditions by Sally Fallon and the Weston Price Foundation. We live in a rural farming community (altho dh and I grew up in the Twin Cities). In my pursuit of "raw" milk, I failed to investigate the cleanness and handling practices of my sources. Of the three places we purchased raw milk, the first was a family owned commercial dairy 30 minutes from us. This was my first experience close up with dairy cows and the industry. Even tho my senses questioned all the flies, manure and ill health of the cows, I figured it was normal and right since it was 'raw milk'. It tasted good, tho I would still smell manure from time to time. I was told I'd get used to it. Very Stupid me! In two months my teenage dd came down with what we thought was the 'stomach flu'. She got very ill, very quickly. Along with vomiting and diarrhea, the cramps were extremely painful. She fell apart emotionally. On day three we took her to the doc. They immediately told us to check her in at the hospital as she was severly dehydrated. She began pooping large amounts of blood. They put her on morphene for the pain and of course where rehydrating her i.v. She continued to experience a great deal of pain for the next several days. After day three we were allowed to bring her home as she was rehydrated, the pain was slowly decreasing, as well as the intestinal bleeding. The pathology report said it was campylacto? jujanie? They did not note any parasites.
After this we decided to travel four hours for a large order of grass-fed meats, and wholesome, clean dairy products. This milk was the cleanest, but I did not like the taste as the cows where on green grass 100%. It was also to far away to be practical.
So, stupid me looked for another milk source. I found one two hours away from a hick, backwoods farmer. He had never sold milk before but was willing to work with us. Within a month I came down with my symptoms.....
It started with mid back pain. Then the nausea. I never threw up at all. At first I thought the back pain was from my back going out. However, it always occurs with this onset of symptoms. The abnominal cramping is moderate to severe. After one to two days of this, I will have diarrhea for a whole morning. This, along with some symptoms that come and go will last about a week. Then I am fine for a week to ten days. The next week it starts all over again.
Other symptoms that sometimes come with an eposide and sometimes don't....
pain around my rib cage, between the skin and the bone;
before an episode...a foul taste in my mouth or/and indigestion (I am not prone to indigestion normally);
the most foul smelling, 'dog farts' gas...smells somewhat like ammonia;
obnoxious 'hunger pain' noises coming from my gut, when I'm not feeling hungry;
after an episode...joint pain for a few days;
crawly feelings under my skin;
if an episode is longer and more painful I'll have depression, cry easily and feel hopeless and panicky;
headache in the back of my head, followed by sinus congestion;
brain fog;
periodic strong distate for eggs;
pink eye;
Oh, I have developed a light coffee colored 'stain' about the size of a quarter right above my naval and over my stomach. This happened in the last nine months.
Recently the following symptoms seem to have developed....pinching feelings in my lower abdomon, sides, etc.
Various members of my family of seven have experienced the following chronic symptoms, although to a much lesser degree than myself:
nausea,
diarrhea,
weakness and low energy levels,
sinus problems,
pink eyes.
They all seem to get over it with a few days to a week.
We all eat healthy meals. I am an avid learner and homeschool mom to my five children. I've never been chronically ill in my life; except for heart arrythmias, and a decreasing with age PAD (Panic Attack Disorder). We are a Christian family and practice healthy life choices.
We also take many herbs and suppliments. The only time I had any relief from this was for a solid month which was last month after taking Clarkia's formula. I thought I was through with this. It came back with a vengence. I recently ordered a large supply of the clarkia formula from Barefoot.
I hope that's everything. I so appreciate all comments. I also have more questions and will post them elsewhere. I want to know what is going on...though I am afraid of what I'll see. I suppose that's normal. I've learned to confront my fears all my life. So, with God's grace, I will with this.
Blessings,
mrsflib- Re: My symptoms.... rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 934,855Hello:
Oh my! Thank you for sharing your story.
Raw milk can be beneficial but as you stated, "my senses questioned all the flies, manure and ill health of the cows" can be a problem. Sick cows have a host of ailments that go directly into the food source; infected utters are always a major concern because puss is usually present and that goes into the milk. Any responsible dairy operation knows this! Also, raw milk should never smell or taste like manure. I can tell you from first-hand experience from milking cows (as a child) that there will be some "dirt" in the milk. Before we did any milking, the utters where cleaned and so was the environment. Additionally, raw milk should always be filtered because fine hairs or dust will be caught -- a coffee filter works. One other note, there are some political implications behind raw milk vs pasteurized. There have been some operations "set-up" to produce bad milk. It would be difficult to say if your family's exposure to bad milk was due to politics, greed, or laziness; if it wasn't a commercial operation I'd be more inclined to say it was "ignorance". If you go through this link, you'll find a lot of information, resources, and stories about the history and politics of milk.
http://www.realmilk.com/sitemap.html
In reading your post I think we can learn something, particularly about the onset of parasite symptoms. Some people who become infected don't experience symptoms at all! What you described in your case are some of the typical symptoms when infected.
In regard to your daughter, the doctors didn't check for a e-coli?? I don't know much about Campylobacter jejuni. Apxr maybe able to give more insight into this for you. Here's something that I found that maybe helpful in understanding the bacteria. It appears to be a gram-negative bacterial infection.
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http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auth:Butzler,JP
Clin Microbiol Infect. 2004 Oct ;10 (10):868-76 15373879
Campylobacter, from obscurity to celebrity.
After its successful isolation from stools in the 1970s, Campylobacter jejuni has rapidly become the most commonly recognised cause of bacterial gastroenteritis in man. Reported cases of human campylobacteriosis represent only a small fraction of the actual number. In industrialised countries, the incidence of C. jejuni/Campylobacter coli infections peaks during infancy, and again in young adults aged 15-44 years. Acute self-limited gastrointestinal illness, characterised by diarrhoea, fever and abdominal cramps, is the most common presentation of C. jejuni/C. coli infection. The introduction of selective media has made the diagnosis of Campylobacter enteritis a simple procedure. In general, Campylobacter enteritis is a self-limiting disease which seldom requires antimicrobial therapy, although one in 1000 infections may lead to the Guillain-Barré syndrome. In industrialised countries, most infections are acquired through the handling and consumption of poultry meat. In developing countries, where the disease is confined to young children, inadequately treated water and contact with farm animals are the most important risk factors. Many infections are acquired during travel. Fluoroquinolone resistance has been reported in C. jejuni since the late 1980s in Europe and Asia, and since 1995 in the USA. The use of fluoroquinolones to treat animals used for food has accelerated this trend of resistance. In Australia, where fluoroquinolones have not been licensed for use in food production animals, C. jejuni remains susceptible to fluoroquinolones. The public health burden of Campylobacter spp. other than C. jejuni/C. coli remains unmeasured. Better diagnostic methods may reveal the true health burden of these organisms.
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It is highly likely, although not certain, that there maybe a mixed infection going on with you. How's your daughter coping these days? I ask this question because she could have a parasitic infection that is asymptomatic. I discovered this myself after being treated for a being sick with various symptoms of a "bad flu" or "virus". My symptoms disappeared and I became asymptomatic. It wasn't until years later that I started to do a cleanse, discovering a very serious parasite problem! I can attribute my initial infection to that time.
Please feel free to post any questions here, anytime.
Best of Health,
DD
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MoreThis is a reply to # 934,940THank-you DD,
My dd still gets bouts of nausea. She just went through one herself...the same time I went into another 'episode'. We always seem to get better for awhile. THat's the funny thing.
Also, forgot to mention, dd and I were the only members of our family to have had an anti-biotice within the previous year before drinking raw milk. I found that interesting, as we were/are the sickest now.
I am familiar with the rawmilk website. However, at the moment, I'd like to shoot all the cows!
This last flareup is winding down methinks. I'm expecting several orders the Clarkia forumula and will use them for a month for myself and see what happens.
Time for lunch. I do have some other questions I'll post this afternoon.
Again,
thanx so much,
robin- Re: My symptoms.... rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 934,966Hi!
Although you'd like to shoot all the cows, those handlers need their heads examined or better yet, a good parasite cleanse would be in order for them!
I do agree with 70248. What you're taking for symptoms may not be the correct one for what you're experiencing. In my opinion, Clarkia might be good for mild parasite symptoms or a good maintenance program later on. Your symptoms seem to be pretty severe.
It also makes since that you and your daughter would have the strongest reaction because antibiotics can upset the balance within the intestinal flora. Not too long ago I read a study stating that after 6 months of administration the presence of antibiotics were noted.
Take care of yourself!
DD
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This is a reply to # 934,855Hi
I've read your post with regards to your symptoms. I'n no expert in any way shape or form but I'd definately say your symptoms are parasite related but there may be other stuff going on too.
I can relate to all your symptoms. I also have the brownish "coffee" stain mark on my abdomen. I actually have 2. For me, the intolerable headaches, dizziness and confusion is most hard to deal with along with the pain. I too have experienced the ammonia smell, parasites secrete ammonia. I could smell it from my nose!
I too have got relief when taking herbs etc but once stopped the symptoms return with a vengeance too. It may be that the herbal formula you have taken is not the right dose, is not strong enough, it can be many reasons. Without knowing for sure what you are dealing with it may be hard to treat. I've found that through personal experience. I've had advice where one should just cleanse and be done with it, you don't need to know what parasites etc you're fighting. Not in my case, nothing has eradicated my infection(s). It may be down to the dose, strength, many factors.
I'm sure Rabbitears will offer you some great advice on how to tackle this problem. You have many symptoms, like me, and I sympathise with you, it can really drag you down and make your life hell. At times I've had no life. There are things you can do to help and suppress your symptoms, like taking small amounts of herbs to keep them at bay. 1/4 teaspoon daily of: onions, garlic, sage, thyme, ginger, cloves and cinnamon. These are anti-parasitic in nature.
Samples are probably the best way forward but I'd recommend you get some advice on this because not all labs are good.
I'm hoping in the near future to have some results as I'm having samples looked at through RHRPlus.
I wish you well in your quest for better health. Keep us posted.
70428.- Re: My symptoms.... mrsflib
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This is a reply to # 934,949Thank-you so much for your reply. So good to know we're not alone!
Please let us all know how your results come out.
Blessings,
robin- oh boy monique_1
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This is a reply to # 934,970
Many many here are in the same boat, so mrsflib: you are definetely not alone!
I can identify myself in very much of what you say, I am too familiar with this hell. My guess is that some of the strong reactions like diarrea is the bodys try to fight something, it is always nice to have a active-immune system(unlike others...).
This is the place to go if you want the facts and the truth about parasites/co-infections/connections to immune system/immune system suppressors etc. The sooner the better. I would really consider consulting RHR plus, there is no time for guessing games when dealing with these creatures from hell.
NOW, I am actually very sceptic to all the advertisements about parasite cleansing programs and parasite herbs that flourish all over the internet. There is no way that one cleanse will clear a person. From the first cleanse and as time goes by it will be a constant war with these critters. They are doing everything in their power to stay alive, they have no boundaries and their raids can be extremely harmful. In my case, I did a cleanse and that just woke up a "sleeping bear", a dormant infestation - and it was hungry and furious! Im probably looking like a swiss cheese inside by now.
Regarding eating or drinking something "raw" just seems to be a rather bad option.
I think the risk of getting parasites that way is very high. Sure, we do want to eat food that is as unprocessed and close to nature as possible, but let's think twice about it. Food that have been frozen and cooked can even have traces of survivors - again, we are dealing with natures top best survivors ever, they want to survive in the food/feces they sit in so they can find a new host.
We should feel great satisfaction just by the fact that we try to choose organic food, or food from good sources and of high quality and simply ditch the processed food filled with E 220 and E 401 and E E E E's to no end.
Have a nice day,
Mon
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This is a reply to # 935,002Hi!
You made some excellent points about FOODS! Right on.
I think we can ALL say that we've made mistakes at one time or another in regard to food. At the some time we thought it was a good idea. May I also suggest that if we had a "hidden infection" who's to say that we were "compelled" by our actions. There is supportive research suggesting that parasites manipulate the mind/body to do certain things.- Re: oh boy monique_1
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Oh yes! Manipulation by parasites! A Swedish parasitologist said that there is a parsite that make people "horny", and that its a common parasite and that people dont know that they have it. I am not kidding, I can did that article up some day.
So, are those chocolate cravings really YOUR cravings? ;)
But, it seems to be a bad idea to starve parasites, they will just end up eating you up instead? I believe that starved people will lack important nutrition over time and the parasites will start to flourish and decompose the body.
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This is a reply to # 935,031"Horny" parasites! Hmmm... maybe this will explain why everyone has gone sex crazy worldwide! I do have some thoughts about that and have always wondered what is going with people. What's the name of that parasite? I wonder if Apxr has come across any in his research.
Starving parasites isn't a good idea -- you're right!- Re: oh boy apxr
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This is a reply to # 935,047As I've said before, I have suspected the connection between 'Parasites' and desires for intercourse for a very long time, 'Parasites' being "something" that attaches itself to a host, not necessarily just a worm.
For example, I believe I have a worm in storage that I could connect to all of this if I tried hard enough, because I may have a lot of evidence in that regard; but for the moment, while greatly important, it's really irrelevant at least to my present purpose. This issue may go far beyond the wildest imagination of many.
A simple question: What if this [or any other worm or "parasite"] made people open to intercourse just to transmit itself? Imagine what it could mean.- Re: oh boy rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 935,455I believe that this is a real possibility! Somewhere I posted a link here with an article stating "Parasite Attraction" and mosquitoes; of course, we're talking about something similar but much deeper! :)
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This is a reply to # 934,855Hello again.
From those symptoms, it's possible you're facing more than one invading organism. From what I know, they're trying to become Chronic but haven't succeded yet altogether. If you proceed diligently and wisely, you may be able to get them out now before they make themselves comfortable inside of you. The same goes for your family. There is still time. My opinion.
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This is a reply to # 934,435Hi Rabbitears. What is the protocol for obtaining blood samples? Can the subject hire a nurse to collect it? What are the mailing rules? Shroom
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This is a reply to # 934,925Hi Shroom!
There is a protocol for obtaining blood. The one thing that you DON'T want to do is to squeeze it out because it can potentially break the blood cell walls when forced through the skin. Hiring someone, unless you know how do it yourself, would be a very wise choice.
Please feel free to email at dd@rhrplus.com
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This is a reply to # 934,947Re:
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The one thing that you DON'T want to do is to squeeze it out...
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Absolutely NOT. And not just that. There are many details to consider. There's a reason why nurses get hard training. My personal suggestion is that if you don't know precisely how to do this, ask for well trained help.
In science, many times, "Technique is Everything". Something that seems so simple as to draw some blood off a vein could become a nightmare, trust me on this.
When things go right, it's all spendid, but when things go wrong, they go REALLY wrong.
For example, it wouldn't be hard at all for me to write down some detailed instructions on how to draw blood from a vein, simple instructions that many could follow right at home. But my opinion is that the risk of doing it alone if someone trained and with experience could do it instead, is an unnecessary risk. When everything goes well, it's not a problem, of course. But if and when things go wrong, then such risk becomes sheer foolishness, as I see it.
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This is a reply to # 934,420Hello, Mrsflib.
Welcome.
Re: Is this the rhrplus forum?
By definition, this is the M.D.'s Forum [as I call it], the "Ask Microbe Detectives Forum". However, since the Forum owners head RHR Plus, you can say they're 'linked' of course, yes.
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I believe I have contracted several parasites when ingesting 'dirty' raw milk last November.
A question I have is, 'how long is the life cycle of most parasites?'
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I think the best answer I can give you is "I don't know".
In order for anyone to answer that question with precision, ALL the parasites would have to be known by the person, and believe me, there are many. Most experts would agree that many details of most species remain unknown, I'm sure.
Take an insect known as the "Magicicada septendecim", by its scientific name, for example; this organism has been studied to have a parasitic life cycle of 5 years, but an entire life cycle of 17 years:
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"...Magicicada is the genus of the 13- and 17- year periodical cicadas of eastern North America. These insects display a unique combination of long life cycles, periodicity, and mass emergences. They sometimes go by the common name "seventeen-year locust"[citation needed], but they are not locusts; locusts belong to the order Orthoptera...."
(from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magicicada
),
and:
"...The Magicicada septendecim, a most notable periodical cicada, has the longest life cycle of any insect. There are 3 species with 13-year life cycles and another 3 species with 17-year cycles. They are synchronized perfectly that they are nearly absent as adults in the 12 or 16 years between emergence...."
(from
http://library.thinkquest.org/28049/new_page_10.htm
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How can we be sure there aren't any longer periods?
Many of the "common" worms that infect man have life cycles as long as months.
Also, there are worms that depend on a host to ingest their eggs in order for them to complete their life cycle. This could be a long time, being a fact that many parasite eggs remain viable for quite long. E. granulosus eggs [which infect man from dogs, by the way] can survive in the soil for YEARS. This next excerpt below mentions E. granulosus egg survival of "at least a year", but I ASSURE YOU that that statement, while truthful, perhaps, is very conservative:
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"...The eggs can survive at least a year in the environment as they are highly resistant to environmental stress. The eggs are vulnerable to high temperatures and desiccation however, dying in two hours under these conditions. Egg survival time is increased in damp and cool (the eggs can survive freezing) conditions (for example near watering holes). Once passed in the feces the eggs can be transported by the wind, water, and insects (flies). Egg shedding in the definitive host may be cyclical and each worm can produce by sexual means up to 1000 eggs every 10 days for up to 2 years. Each egg contains an embryo or onchosphere that serves as the infective stage. When the eggs are voided from the canid definitive host they contaminate vegetation and are accidentally ingested by the cervid intermediate host. Humans can be infected by ingestion of eggs acquired from contaminated food or water, from handling live canids or pelts from dead canids, or by handling canid fecal material...."
(from
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150_12220-117400--,00.html
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And those are just quick examples. I've read authors suggesting decades, maybe hundreds of years, maybe more [I'm not sure of the scientific worthiness of this last comment, but just so you have an idea]. Personally, sometimes I suspect even worse.
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My symptoms are chronic...about every two weeks. I tend to have one week between flareups of good health. Is this systematic of parasites?
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Can be, in my opinion, but I wouldn't go around believing that it is just yet. I'd need proof first. Evidence.
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How does the lab work? I mean do I bring in stool samples to my doctor to send to your lab?
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Nah, this is very personal between you and RHR Plus. You're running your own show, no middlemen. You send the samples, you get the results, no one else.
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Is this in conjunction with my local hospital lab?
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This is in conjunction with no one, as far as I'm concerned. It's all between you and RHR, no one else. After you get your results, however, it's up to you. You may wish to take those results along to your doctor or to anyone else that could help you, for example; or, if you fear a diagnosis of "delusional parasitosis" with an unasked prescription of antidepressants and related drugs [as it's happened so many times before], you could keep them in record as part of your medical history. I would say that such kinds of records are VERY useful for an entire family, because many of these infections/infestations are contagious and could play a part in an entire family's future. I've seen it happen many times before.
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What about blood samples? I can't obtain those myself...unless you use a pin prick on my finger!
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For precision, I would prefer to have those sorts of questions answered to you directly [email] by DD or through the website's FAQ, but blood samples aren't that hard to obtain.
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Do you send me actual pics of the varmins?
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Sure. Pictures are sent to you of whatever is found that looks 'suspicious'.
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I truly wish I had a scientific mind to understand these things.
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In my opinion, it depends how far deep you'd like to understand them. All it takes is a mind, discipline and time, if you wish to understand things, I would say. However, many studends lack the discipline and that is part of their failure, as I've observed.
Reading GOOD material helps greatly, and it's a very good start, I believe. The 'trick' is how to tell "good" material apart from the rest. That's where a GOOD tutor comes in. The 'trick' then is how to tell a "good" tutor from the rest. That's where discernment comes in.
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TIA,
mrsflib
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Anytime, Mrsflib.
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