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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... grace1158  17 y  35,063  


    grace1158

    This is a reply to # 861,001
    Can you tell me after the 2 months with the calcium hydroxide what you used to finalazie or the filler was used after it was complete?
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... DrMike  14 y  34,699  


    DrMike

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    Hello,
    I am Dr. Michael Goldman that Kristen Lee was nice enough to quote from my website http://www.mgoldmandds.com.
    I very much enjoyed reading the several posts Kristen's original post stimulated and I wanted to add a comment or two.

    First, the calcium hydroxide can be used for many months if needed, but it should not be left in the tooth for more than about 6 weeks at a time. It can be removed and replaced for another 6 weeks if needed and repeated several times. In practice I have rarely had to do more than 4 weeks total. The reason not to leave it more than 6 weeks at a time is that it is water soluble and can dissolve out of the tooth leaving a space, which can then be a home for bacteria. The comment about calcium hydroxide weakening the tooth seems to me to be nonsense.

    The second point is that while I have no argument against gutta percha if used well, one post commented that the only problem is that it shrinks "a little bit". Bacteria are very very small and only need "a little bit" of space. That only happens when gutta percha is used warm or hot and then it shrinks on cooling. Other techniques use cool temperature gutta percha and if used skillfully I would have no argument with it. I hope that's helpful. I'm encouraged by all the interest in this topic. Read more on my website. I have several articles just on root canals and many about other dental topics. Have a good one!
     
     
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... rose roscoe  13 y  33,569  


    rose roscoe

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    Hi Kristian,
    Thank you for this thoughtful information.

    I have an emergency need for a root canal, and I want to find someone in my local area (entral Nj or New York City) who uses calcium hydroxide the way Dr.Goldman does. I contacted Dr. Goldman and I'm waiting for a response, but I also thought you might know of someone.

    All best to you,

    Rose
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... surgirl  13 y  32,800  


    surgirl

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    Hi Kris... Can you update us on how your root canal treated too this doing now. Your post came up when I was researching my options... am facing a root canal now and my immune system needs all the help it can get. Thanks
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... Lynneypin  12 y  30,392  


    Lynneypin

    This is a reply to # 861,001
    Picked up this very old post, and would be interested to hear how the root canal is holding up?

    Thanks very much.
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... pinkshark  12 y  29,818  


    pinkshark

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    Hi folks,

    I am very pleased this forum is here, and I am glad that people such as Kristian so thoughtfully post. I have also procrastinated 3-4 weeks (but not several months!) on a root canal in order to do dental research, but perhaps my situation is more dire. I had an abscess flare up 5 weeks ago, and did not even start Antibiotics for almost 2 weeks when the other various natural remedies failed to help and my cheek began to grow and grow. I took the Antibiotics (Amoxycilin) for 2 weeks and it made my infection asymptomatic, but now I have almost a week off of them and I need to act fast!

    I have been doing ceaseless research and the question is very complicated. I am someone who is pretty healthy by my measure and those of my health practitioners- "alternative" and mainstream. I agree that most of the anti- root canal information comes from a handful of skeptics whose research has been seldom replicated. There have been multiple studies, however, showing the presence of bacteria in root canaled teeth. It's true though that there have been no studies to my knowledge (and I called Hal Huggins' institute and talked to someone on the phone) specifically comparing teeth with the different types of root canals. There is just not enough research or funding on the issue, and that is one of the biggest problems here- the lack of good data, knowledge, and more informed debate.

    I agree with most things that Kristian mentioned, except that I believe what I hear- the people who USE endocal have seen no "excess fractures". That means no more fractured than with standard gutta percha techniques. It also appears that if you don't know how to use the stuff and pack it too tight you can cause fractures, so part of it is in the hands of the dentist/endodontist. This video from the past president of IAOMT (who advocate Endocal- previously named Biocalex) is very informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_2S_R5kG7Q


    in the video he describes the errors with the SINGLE study of 30ish EXTRACTED teeth that were packed with filling material and incubated. This is different than the chemical/biological properties of the tooth in the mouth. Clinically, according to Koral (on the video) this is not the shared experience of practitioners. In addition, the AAE (endodontic society) position paper on the matter is not against this material, but rather to use caution when applying because of the threat of overfilling.

    I have also heard from laser practitioners that the lasers do not work by direct laser light on the tubules (also criticized by Goldman, but by creating photoacoustic explosions and disturbances in bacteria which kill them and otherwise disinfect the tubules. So the idea that the light is the only source of disinfection- in a straight line- is not in keeping with how the technology functions.

    It seems the mama of all root canals, which I very well may be receiving- is by Dr. Hansen in LA: http://www.laserdentalcenters.com/


    He uses lasers, ozone, and calcium oxide (probably endocal but doesn't say on website). I haven't found anyone besides Koral and Hansen who do all three. I talked to a laser dentist in NY who said that lasers and ozone is overkill because both achieve sterilization, but if it is so difficult to kill all the bacteria as many claim then- as Koral argues- you've got to throw everything at it that you can. The arguments for endocal seem very persuasive to me- increasing pH,, being drawn into tubules, penetrating all the way to the ligament, reacting with bacteria to kill it, regenerating bone, etc.There need to be a lot more studies on this but alas- most researchers I guess don't seem to care or won't be able to find funding.

    I agree about practicing CONSERVATIVE dentistry. I don't believe you should be so scared that by the time your anaerobe-filled tooth shows impact on your body IT'S TOO LATE (insert halloween scream)!! It's more scare tactics like Kristian mentioned. In the same breath they say that, they also say that all these chronic conditions respond favorably to yanking infected teeth and people show signs of recovery. Which is it?! I believe if you are in touch with your body (one of the tenets of being healthy and natural medicine) then you will know well before you have passed the point of toxic no return. I can always get my tooth pulled later, but I can't put it back in! And perhaps in 10 or 20 years there will be more testing for these types of anaerobes, or more ways to sterilize your tooth from the outside with lasers or other treatments. Also, if you keep the pH in your mouth up then a lot of bacteria won't be in your mouth, able to get into that tooth. Or perhaps we may even learn how to regenerate them!:

    http://singularityhub.com/2012/05/10/toothless-no-more-researchers-using-stem...


    Another interesting perspective is that the tooth is not really "dead" if it is treated by the body like a live tooth: with healthy ligament and bone around it, and a largely intact calcified structure. A tooth is very unique in the body so it's not right to compare it to another dead organ necessarily.

    Don't let yourself be scared by the doom and gloom, but take it into account. I know personally I am unwilling to live without my canine tooth- I am 31, and I don't want to wear a denture the rest of my life, or grind down teeth for a bridge, and I don't know that implanting into my jaw would be successful in the long term, or would hurt my immune system any less than a holistic root canal!
     
     
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... #159729  12 y  29,836  


    #159729

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    Hi Kris, I just got done see Dr. Clement today and the dentist. I am still torn about whether to do a root canal or extraction. Mine is towards the back but still visible. Wanted to see if you had any updates on yours?
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... qwerty1202  11 y  28,939  


    qwerty1202

    This is a reply to # 861,001
     
    Here is what goldman says on his site

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    As far as Biocalex goes, I have stated on this website that there are several problems with it and that I will no longer use it (I only used it on about 6 patients and that was enough for me...). Several years ago I believe there was more info on Biocalex on the internet but now there isn't much at all. Most of the research was written and published in French. I can't read French....Those problems include:

    1 Teeth being split by the Biocalex (while they deny that, of course, read the comments in THEIR literature).

    2 Pain and strange discomfort after using Biocalex (not denied)

    3 The Biocalex becomes invisible in the tooth making later diagnosis nearly impossible (not denied)

    4 Biocalex becomes very hard inside the canals, making re-treatment difficult or impossible if needed later (not denied)

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    Number 3 has been solved by replacing some zinc oxide with yttrium oxide

    Number 4 is correct but that seals the canals so the tooth can not be reinfected again.

    It will need to get re-treatment if it gets reinfected.

    Number 1 has been countered with a study by NIH.

    I will try oil pulling before I resort to this.

    Number 2 is kind of vague
     
     
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... OrganicHappiness  11 y  26,321  


    OrganicHappiness

    This is a reply to # 861,001
     
    Hi,
    I just shared with someone my experience with teeth issues, which I determined was fixable by avoiding allergens. I suffered from TMJ symptoms and more as a result of a milk allergen which spurred an infection that produced inflammation in the nerves and pushed my jaw and teeth, extremely painful. Recently, I discovered this could happen with sensitivities as well and went through a head and ear issue, where the nerves were inflamed, my ears were clogged and my teeth were showing small reactions. With the knowledge of the past, I changed my diet for about a week, including fruit, mushy veggies and nothing that wouldn't disintegrate completely (i.e. nuts etc.) as I discovered these will lodge in the open infected areas, prolonging the infection until they are out.

    If your dentist uses a great Laser Dentistry location to obtain dental lasers this can also reduce the pain patients deal with if they do end up getting to the point where they need surgery or other measures.
     
     
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... Seputman  10 y  19,461  


    Seputman

    This is a reply to # 861,001
    How do you find a dentist that uses calcium hydroxide for root canal treatment?
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... Madeleine01  9 y  15,644  


    Madeleine01

    This is a reply to # 861,001


    Thanks for excellent article & info.

    Could you please also tell me, who did your root canal.

    Was it Dr. Goldman?

    peace

    M
     
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  • Re: Root Canals: Please Read Before ... hannity  8 y  9,101  


    hannity

    This is a reply to # 861,001
    Can you tell me which doctor you used? I am looking for a doctor in the NYC area that can follow this regime or advise me appropriately. Thank you, Sandra
     

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