bromine content in kelp? 
sofia
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So the ocean is more full of bromine than iodine, that is quite a new.
I wonder then how much bromine kelp contains. It would be funny to find out that the Iodine contained in kelp is not so useful after all...
...and then a second question would arise, why Japanese should be living longer if their seaweeds contain also a lot of bromine?
- Some food for thought, Sofia wombat
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MoreThis is a reply to # 836,375
From the "rebuttal" link below...
"This seaweed-induced goiter eventually disappeared.22 Suzuki et al25 questioned whether seaweed itself was the cause of this goiter, since much larger amounts of Iodide in pulmonary patients did not induce goiter. Suzuki et al commented: "Considering the paucity of reported cases of Iodine goiter with the wide spread usage of Iodine medication, we cannot exclude factors other than excessive intake of dietary Iodine as a cause of the goiter." Also, residents in Tokyo, Japan, who excreted similar levels of Iodide in their urine (around 20 mg/24h) did not experience goiter. Contamination of seaweed with bromide is the most likely explanation, since bromide is a goitrogen,3 and there is 1400 times more bromide than Iodide in seawater.17 The presence of excess goitrogens in the diet would require greater amounts of ingested iodine to prevent the goitrogenic effect of these substances.11,18"
and...
The requirement for iodine depends on the goitrogen load. The greater the goitrogen load, the greater the need for iodine. Bromide is a goitrogen that interferes with the uptake and utilization of iodide by target cells.
and...
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=829381#i
bromine needed
and...
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=826453#i
Goitrogens
I, personally, think that the iodine contained in kelp is useful. For those who haven taken it as a staple of their diets, anyway. I don't think that it is useful for those of us that exhibit symptoms of long-term iodine deprivation. Gotta displace chlorines & bromides with relatively large doses of pure iodine for that(Lugol's).
Proper balance must be acheived... :)
- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia #68716
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This is a reply to # 836,455total body content of chloride is about 100 grams in healthy person.
total body content of Iodine is about 1.5 grams in healthy person.
total body content of fluoride in healthy person is unknown, but is less than total body content of Iodine and is probably on order of 0.20 grams. I'm just guessing.
- Re: "purpose" of bromide in kelp chirontherainbowbridge
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MoreThis is a reply to # 836,465if bromide is voided by larger amounts of iodine, then isn't it possible that since there is bromide in kelp, there is a 'purpose' for it being there? perhaps it's very presence is required by the body, so as to recognize the iodine content as being higher--just as one vague hypothesis.
I'm not discounting the fact that some people might be suited to taking iodine in therapeutic doses (Lugol's) but--
In nature, it is the 'whole food' whose value is still little-understood by science. All the parts working together, in synergy. Science is always seeking to reduce things to parts, to extract some element perceived as valuable, and find ways to strengthen it further....
it's a bit of a Godless approach
- Re: "purpose" of bromide in kelp sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,554hi alison, happy to see you back!
I agree with you. Artificial substances are always quite flat, while nature has many dimensions. I trust natural substances much more. But still one day I realized that I am not totally detached from the artificial world, as I like art, for example, music, lysergic acid... (oops!)
I concluded that I can trust artificial sometimes, if it has a heart. Does Iodine have a heart? sure it is very beautiful...and it has somewhat a power to evoke something forgotten...at least, it seems to me.
- Re: "purpose" of bromide in kelp sofia
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- Re: "purpose" of bromide in kelp chirontherainbowbridge
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- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,455yeah, in my post I was in fact thinking of the passage you quoted, wombat.
Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. I don't doubt of the usefulness of Iodine and the poisonousness of bromine, absolutely. I was just wondering if the Iodine coming from kelp, if kelp contains also bromine, can be really useful, as bromine would neutralize it. It seems to me that if they say that the ocean is loaded with bromine, then also seaweeds are likely to be so, kelp included. I think it would be worth it to verify if kelp contains bromine, don't you agree? but i can't find a site giving this values.
Maybe i'm just looking for a valid reason not to have kelp any more, as i really hate it. In the past in Italy I found easily the kombu to add to rice or soups and i loved it taken that way, but the dried powder is dreadful.
I am like in a conflict now, as i normally privilege natural sources, but this seems to be a case where the natural source could be not so good after all, and not only becasue too weak.
edit: I also didn't like to find out, thanks to vulcanel, that kelp contains arsenic...brr...but it isn't that bitter, so maybe the arsenic is not so much
- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia wombat
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This is a reply to # 836,471
I guess that I shouldn't have quoted that. The fact that I did demonstrates my far-from-complete understanding of this subject. I do believe that I will delete it from my post, although it has resulted in more learning:)
I googled "kelp" and search within results "bromine content" & I found this:
http://www.gtk.fi/publ/foregsatlas/text/Br.pdf
It's only 2 pages, will expect a full report from you in...10 minutes? :D- kelp is a "rich source of bromine an... sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,481Da-Da!!!!
It says:
"Many marine plants, particularly kelp, are a rich source of bromine and iodine"
(that's why my cat doesn't care eating kelp?)
great text, I will read it more carefully later. It would be nice to find also some numbers, just to be aware of the proportions. But if I remember right, as Iodine is heavier than bromine, not too much quantity of bromine is required to neutralize the iodine, while a lot of Iodine is required to neutralize bromine.
Therefore: just a little amount of bromine in kelp could vanish the benefits of the presence of iodine!
Am i correct?
well, that's a finding...- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia wombat
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- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,507yep! thrilling...
today I was saying to Erik: you know, I just discovered that there is not much Iodine in the ocean, it doesn't come from there...it doesn't come from the earth either...
and Erik: but then...where does it come from?
one could invent many beautiful scenarios around this misterious iodine... the iody grail!- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia wombat
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This is a reply to # 836,512
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=834013#i
Do read the Iodine Debate Forum as well. When they turned this into a support forum they didn't move the whole thing *sigh*. :)- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,517hmmm... the violet flame of st.germaine!
it requires some time management to keep up with hyperactive forums like the 2 iodines and still have a life...- Re: Some food for thought, Sofia #68716
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- no, i dont believe so finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 836,506look at this detailed breakdown of the amounts of various substance found in kelp.
iodine is measured at 300 - 700 parts per million, depending on when it was harvested. flourine was measured at .03 ppm, and bromine levels were so miniscule they could only list it as "also present." this means the bromine was less than .0001 parts per million!!
http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/kelp.html
i have two things to say about this.
first, i dont think the trace amounts of the organic form of bromine and flourine found in sea products and other things like green tea are harmful. they are a naturally occurring part of the environment, we have been eating from the sea for millenia, its natural for us to consume some small amounts of these, and they are in the organic form, which i do not believe is toxic.
secondly, the amounts measured in kelp is so incredibly small that even if it were toxic i do not see how it could possibly overwhelm the benefits of the iodine. the Iodine levels are literally thousands of times higher than the bromine and fluorine levels.
heres some math for you. if the level of Iodine is at the average amount, 500 ppm, and the level of fluorine is at .03, then the level of Iodine is 16,600 times greater than the amount of fluorine.
i am just not buying the notion that kelp is bad for you. all the good data i have seen says its an excellent food to consume.
- Re: no, i dont believe so sofia
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This is a reply to # 836,537I was waiting for you, I knew you would have the numbers!
ok then, I'll go take my 2 tbsp...yeek!
anyway, better to check, right?
thank you ff - just for fun finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 836,537i calculated the amount of Iodine vs bromine, if bromine levels are .0001 and Iodine is 500 ppm, then Iodine levels are 5 million times greater than bromine levels. even if you believe that the bromine in seaweed in toxic (which i do not) then surely you cant assert that the miniscule amount of bromine will overpower the iodine which is 5 million times stronger.
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This is a reply to # 836,573iodine is 50 parts per billion, or 0.000005 % by weight, in the water.
Some kelps have 0.8% by weight of iodine.- Re: just for fun finallyfaith
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