Caution - Hospitalization - Understa... 
apchan
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Hi Folks: It's with some difficulty that I am writing this, however, I believe that it's important that anyone entering into flushes be educated and make the best decision for themselves. I expect some flack coming from some members, but I am hoping that these individuals understand and respect that everyone has the right to communicate and all individuals have a right to see another view and be educated when making any decisions.
Using the Clark procedure and the curezone information, I proceeded to conduct my flush. As many will see from my postings, it was successful and perfect to the "t". However, I also discovered the possible consequences of the flush. I know that all over this website it has stated that no-one has been hopitalized, etc. However, I wonder if individuals who did try the flush and ended up in the hospital did not report it. I did end-up in the hospital and I am reporting it to ensure that anyone who decides to try the flush understands that there could be complications to flushing.
After my flush, the next day I experienced vomiting and chills. The following day, I went to see the doctor and was diagnosed with jaundice. I was rushed to emergency and released from the hospital 9 days later. For one full week I was living on an IV. I had to have an ECPT surgery to remove the Gallstones that blocked the movement of bile from the liver causing jaundice, and I also developed pancreatitis. Anytime there is a blockage of Gallstones in the main bile duct, it is very dangerous and can be fatal. To take this one step further, the ducts in the area also connect to the pancreas and intestine. If there are any blockages in this area, again, it can be fatal. I was very lucky to have 3 surgeons overseeing my recovery, but it was very very dangerous and I could have lost my life.
I have a very strong and clear message. Please be educated when you make the decision to flush. I'm not telling people not to flush. However, I am telling people to make sure you fully understand what flushing can mean. Speak to your doctor and also learn more about consequences of possible blockages (http://www.medicinenet.com/Gallstones/article.htm). If you choose to flush and become ill, please go to the nearest emergency department at your local hospital immediately and fully explain to them what happened. Also, if you think it costs money to get your gallbladder out, think about how much it costs to stay at a hospital while they're trying to save your life. Remember, it's not about money; it's about your life and making the most educated and best decision for your life. If you're wondering....I still have my gallbladder.
Good luck and be educated. Andreahttp://www.medicinenet.com/Gallstones/article.htm
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- Re: Caution - Hospitalization - Unde... Spirit
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This is a reply to # 671,327Dear Andrea,
I have a few questions, that I am sure will be a of a great help for those who want to know more about your experience.
Before doing flushes, Have you read FAQ?
Have you, before doing flushes, been aware of the possibility that stuck stone may cause pancreatitis and/or jaundice?
Have you researched what pancreatitis and jaundice are?
Also, have you tried to repeat the flush the same day you experienced symptoms, because that is what we usually suggest to anyone who's symptoms point toward stone stuck in the common bile duct.
Can you tell us what was the treatment that you received in the hospital?
Was that ERCP? Or Surgery? Or any medications?
Can you give us more details on the treatment?
Can you give us more details about how long time you were at the hospital, and what is the reason that you still have your gallbladder?
Thanks in advance
Spirit
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- Re: Caution - Hospitalization - Unde... apchan
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This is a reply to # 671,331Hi Spirit:
Yes, I read everything I could get my hands on before I did the flush. I had also gone to a chinese (real) herbalist and doctor and also a naturopath for months before attempting the flush. I know all about www.sensiblehealth.com and also gold coin grass. My naturopath also easied me into taking the OO. I had also had several attacks over the year. As for "Everybody", I don't know who they/he/she are.
I was NOT aware of the implications of jaundice or pancreatitis. The FAQ would not supply that type of information. I had spoken to my doctor (MD) and she supported the OO/GF remedy by stating that she did not object and I could try. If I was aware of the consequences, I don't believe I would have tried the flush. As for the Endoscopic Pull Through Surgery, it was a procedure where they put a scope down my throat into my stomach, they cut an opening through my stomach to reach the bile duct, and then they cleaned it going north, and then went south to check to ensure that there were no additional blockages by the pancreas or intestine. I was in the hospital for 9 days. The surgeons were keeping an eye on the bililrubin level, hemoglobin levels, as well as amylase levels. These were at extremely dangerous levels. Medication was only antibotics and IV Zantac. Because I am reasonably young and healthy, I suspect I was stronger because fever was at a minimum. I believe my white blood cell count was also high. Basically, the surgeons would not let me drink or eat for 7 days. Once my levels had stablized, they began to allow me to take in clear fluids. I have been home for a few days now and am eating more regular foods, but in moderation and I am watching the fats in food like a mad person. As for the question regarding if I had health problems before....the answer is no. This was my first hospitalization and surgery of any sort in my entire life. The only other times I have been in the hospital was giving birth to my two kids.
Hey..for those who are doing their flushes. Good luck. I never said don't do it. I just wanted to ensure that people are aware that things may happen. If the flush does not go the way it was suppose to and you get sick.....GO TO THE HOSPITAL and don't mess around and play MD. And to why I still have my gallbladder; because they didn't want to take it out. It would have been too dangerous taking into account everything else. I guess that they want to deal with one thing at a time. It seems that the surgeons do not want to take out an inflamed gallbladder and they like to wait at least one month from the last attack. Hmmm, who would have guessed? I thought they would have gone in and yanked it out myself, but they didn't.
I'm signing out for now and most likely will not address this issue with the curezone members again. I wish everyone good luck and good health. And PLEASE, be careful and if things don't work out...GO to the hospital and explain exactly what happened. Take care of yourselves. Andrea.
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- This is kinda scaring me!!!!
Robbie
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,327Well,
I have been plannig to flush tonight. I have flushed two times previous to this flush but the last one was in early september and I stopped because I had a bad allergic reaction that brought on a sinus infection and eventually the flu.This happen after my second flush because my bowel was not cleared and stones probably got stuck. I NEED TO FLUSH! I don't want to think that others here have been hospitalized behind flushing and did not post it, I just don't think they would do that. What health issues weere you having that led you to flushing?
I hope that you are okay but I have to tell you this is kinda scaring me! I just want to get better, not cause myself to go to the hospital. I need so encouragement because I really need to get rid of this brain fog, fatigue and anxiety that's affecting my life.
Thanks,
Robbie- Re: This is kinda scaring me!!!!
No... Tara
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,332Wow...I was just getting ready to do my third flush. I just mixed the Epsom Salts and water. I was going to start taking it after awhile. But after reading a few stories on here, I went in and threw it out. I decided not to do any more flushes.
My first two, I had no pain at all and passed lots of stones. That was about 6 months ago. I guess I was lucky. Bummer!! I was really looking forward to it.- Tara>Please read Blueduck's post abo... Robbie
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,337Tara,
Get your Epsom Salt and water ready again and go forward with your flush! Blueduck made some good points about this subject and will shed some positive light on this for you as well I am going on with my flush and you should too! We have never heard of these two people!
Take care,
Robbie- PS.> Apology & Correction is in orde... Robbie
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,340Hi Tara,
I am so sorry but one of the above poster's "Apchan" has been here for a minute so I do apologize to this person.
Take care,
Robbie
- PS.> Apology & Correction is in orde... Robbie
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- Re: I am going to scare you even mor... Spirit
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,337
Tara,
nothing in this life is 100% safe. Certainly not Liver flush.Life itself is not 100% safe. Every year hundreds of thousands of people dies inside their home, never attempting liver flush, never holding a gun in their hands, never trying bungi-jumping or enema.
The real question is not whether or not liver flush is safe?, the question is:
Is it safer to flush, or not to flush?
WHAT IS SAFER?
Can you answer that question?
Consider this:
Incidence (annual) of Cancer: 1,248,900 annual cases (SEER 2002 estimate)
Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 217 or 0.46% or 1.2 million people in USA [about data]
Lifetime risk for Cancer: about 1 in 3 lifetime risk.Statistically, if your famuly is 3 people, one of you will encounter cancer during life.
Pancreatitis can be a severe, life-threatening illness with many complications.
About 80,000 cases occur in the United States alone each year; some 20 percent (16,000) of them are severe, life-threatening.
(Those cases, we will all agree, refer to people who never tried liver flush, because most people in the world never consciously attempted liver flush.)
Consider this:
My educated guess is that by flushing liver regularly, you are:
- 1,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering Pancreatitis.
- 1,000,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering Symptomatic Gallstones.
- 500,000 times decreasing your chances of ever encountering Cholecystectomy.(1% of deaths)
- 1,000 times .... Heart Disease. (30.3% of deaths)
- 100,000 times .... Cancer. (23.0% of deaths)
- 500,000 times .... Diabetes Type I and II.(2.9% of deaths)
- 500,000 times ... Allergies.
- 1,000 times ... Arthritis.
- 1,000 times ... IBD/Colitis/Chron's.
- 1,000 times ... Psoriasis.
- 1,000 times ... Eczema.
- 500 times ... Alzheimer.
- 500 times ... Parkinson's.
- 500 times ... Multiple Sclerosis.
- 1,000 times ... Life threatening Flu.
- 1,000 times ... Death Caused by Doctor's Error.(30% of deaths)
- 1,000 times ... 100s of other conditions.
Why did I chose those illness?
Because over 90% of deaths in USA, Canada, UK (and the rest of the western world) are directly or indirectly associated with the above mentioned conditions.
Is it safer to flush, or not to flush?
What is your answer?
Statistics
By flushing your liver, you are many times decreasing your chances of becoming a part of similar statistics:
Heart disease
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Heart disease: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Heart disease)
Prevalance of Heart disease: 155 per 1000 - NHIS95; 58 million; 9 million American women (NHLBI); 370,000 women die annually
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 6 or 15.50% or 42.2 million people in USA [about data]
Death and mortality statistics for Heart disease:
Deaths from Heart disease: 725,192 annual deaths (NVSR Sep 2001); 30.3% of deaths
Cause of death rank: 1st leading cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC).
Average life years lost for Heart disease: 11.0 years (SEER)
Society statistics for Heart disease
Costs for Heart disease: $214.0 billion with $115.0b direct, $19.0b morbidity, $80.0b mortality (NHLBI 2002)
Costs for Heart disease: Heart disease and stroke cost the nation almost $260 billion annually. 1
Footnotes:
1. excerpt from Facts About Cardiovascular Disease: CDC-OC
Gallstones:
Statistics about Gallstones
From: http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/g/gallstones/stats.htmAbout statistics: This page presents a variety of statistics about Gallstones. The term 'prevalence' of Gallstones usually refers to the estimated population of people who are managing Gallstones at any given time. The term 'incidence' of Gallstones refers to the annual diagnosis rate, or the number of new cases of Gallstones diagnosed each year. Hence, these two statistics types can differ: a short-lived disease like flu can have high annual incidence but low prevalence, but a life-long disease like diabetes has a low annual incidence but high prevalence. For more information see about prevalence and incidence statistics.
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Gallstones: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Gallstones)
Prevalance of Gallstones: 16 million - 16 to 22 million people (1976-87/NIDDK); 1 in 10 Americans has gallstones
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 17 or 5.88% or 16 million people in USA [about data]
Prevalance of Gallstones: Symptomatic gallstones result in 600,000 hospitalizations and more than 500,000 operations each year in the United States. 1 ... Prevalence: 16 to 22 million people (1976-87)2
Death and mortality statistics for Gallstones:
Deaths from Gallstones: 2,975 deaths (NIDDK 1985)
Deaths from Gallstones: Mortality: 2,975 (1985)3
Hospitalizations for Gallstones: Hospitalizations: 800,000 (1987)4
Physician office visits for Gallstones: Physician office visits: 600,000 to 700,000 (1985)5
Prescriptions for Gallstones: Prescriptions: 195,000 (1985)6
Disability from Gallstones: Disability: 48,000 people (1983-87) 7
Procedures for Gallstones: Surgical procedures: 500,000 cholecystectomies (1987)8
Footnotes:
1. excerpt from Dieting and Gallstones: NIDDK
2. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
3. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
4. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
5. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
6. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
7. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
8. excerpt from Digestive Diseases Statistics: NIDDK
Cancer:
Prevalence and Incidence of Cancer
Incidence (annual) of Cancer: 1,248,900 annual cases (SEER 2002 estimate)
Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 217 or 0.46% or 1.2 million people in USA [about data]
Lifetime risk for Cancer: about 1 in 3 lifetime risk.Death and mortality statistics for Cancer:
Deaths from Cancer: 555,500 annual deaths (SEER 2002 estimate); 549,838 annual deaths in 1999 (NVSR Sep 2001); 23.0% of deaths.
Cause of death rank: 2nd top cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC)
Average life years lost for Cancer: 15.0 years (SEER)
Diabetes:
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Diabetes: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Diabetes)
Prevalance of Diabetes: 16 million Americans with 10.3 million diagnosed and 8.1 million women (NWHIC); 65 per 1000 - NHIS95; 8 million - perhaps 16 million if include not-yet-diagnosed.
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 17 or 5.88% or 16 million people in USA [about data]
Incidence (annual) of Diabetes: approximately 798,000 new cases diagnosed annually in USA (CDC-OC)
Incidence Rate: approx 1 in 340 or 0.29% or 798,000 people in USA [about data]
Undiagnosed prevalence of Diabetes: 5.7 million Americans (based on NWHIC)
Undiagnosed prevalence rate: approx 1 in 47 or 2.10% or 5.7 million people in USA [about data]
Prevalance of Diabetes: According to recent estimates, the prevalence of diabetes in the United States is predicted to be 8.9 percent of the population by 2025. 1 ... About 16 million Americans have diabetes, but only about 10 million have been diagnosed.2
Incidence of Diabetes: Approximately 798,000 new cases of diabetes are diagnosed annually in the United States.3 ... New cases diagnosed per year: 798,000. 4
Death and mortality statistics for Diabetes:
Deaths from Diabetes: 68,399 annual deaths; 2.9% of deaths (CDC/1999)
Cause of death rank: 6th leading cause of death in 1999 and 2000 (CDC).
Average life years lost for Diabetes: 13.8 years (SEER)
Society statistics for Diabetes
Costs for Diabetes: DCCT researchers estimate that intensive management doubles the cost of managing diabetes because of increased visits to a health care professional and the need for more frequent blood testing at home. However, this cost is offset by the reduction in medical expenses related to long-term complications and by the improved quality of life of people with diabetes.5
Footnotes:
1. excerpt from Diabetes Overview: NIDDK
2. excerpt from Facts About Diabetes: CDC-OC
3. excerpt from Facts About Diabetes: CDC-OC
4. excerpt from Diabetes Statistics in the United States: NIDDK
5. excerpt from Diabetes Control and Complications Trial (DCCT): NIDDK
Arthritis:
Prevalence and incidence statistics for Arthritis: (see also prevalence and incidence page for Arthritis)
Prevalance of Arthritis: 37 million Americans (NIAMS); 245 per 1000 - NHIS95; 43 million
Prevalance Rate: approx 1 in 7 or 13.60% or 37 million people in USA [about data]
Prevalance of Arthritis: An estimated 40 million people in the United States have arthritis or other rheumatic conditions. By the year 2020, this number is expected to reach 59 million. Rheumatic diseases are the leading cause of disability among adults age 65 and older.1
Society statistics for Arthritis
Costs for Arthritis: $15.2 billion annually
Costs for Arthritis: Recent estimates place the direct medical cost of arthritis at $15.2 billion per year, with total costs of medical care and lost wages exceeding $64 billion. 2
Footnotes:
1. excerpt from Questions and Answers About Arthritis and Rheumatic Diseases: NIAMS
2. excerpt from Facts About Arthritis: CDC-OC
Misdiagnosis
Misdiagnosis can and does occur and is reasonably common with error rates ranging from 1.4% in cancer biopsies to a high 20-40% misdiagnosis rate in emergency or ICU care. Surveys of patients also indicate the chance of experiencing a misdiagnosis to range from 8% to 40%. This makes misdiagnosis one of the most common types of medical mistakes.
There are various reasons as to why a misdiagnosis can occur including errors by doctors, specialists, and laboratory tests. The patient can also contribute to an error in various ways.
There are various types of misdiagnosis ranging from a totally wrong diagnosis to a partial misdiagnosis as to the wrong subtype, underlying condition, medication causes, related conditions, or complications. Conditions for which a person never seeks medical advice are also a common type of misdiagnosis.
Misdiagnosis does not occur equally for all conditions but follows certain patterns. Some conditions are inherently more difficult to diagnose, whereas common familiar conditions are less commonly misdiagnosed. Some diseases are over-diagnosed whereas other conditions are more commonly under-diagnosed or overlooked.
- Scaaaaaary! To flush is the answer I... Robbie 21 y 4,335
- Re: I am going to scare you even mor... DeMi
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This is a reply to # 671,351Spirit,
I wouldn't worry about that liar.
He is one of these people that, at first, told us that Liver Flush is nothing but joke, and that we were passing only "olive oil soaps" in the morning.
Now, they are telling us that it works, but it is dangerous.
C'mon...
I flushed 4 times. This morning I passed "golf balls".. I am not kidding. "Golf balls"! at least five times today.
There were all soft and big. I had more stones and send than the West Coast.- DeMi...? Robbie
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,360I wouldn't worry about that liar.
He is one of these people that, at first, told us that Liver Flush is nothing but joke, and that we were passing only "olive oil soaps" in the morning.
Now, they are telling us that it works, but it is dangerous.
DeMi> Are you referring to the poster named "Everybody"?
WOW, I am happy for you, Golf balls? That's great! I hope my flush produces as much success as yours!
Wish me luck, I'm flushing tonight and I am HUNGRY!!!!!
Take care,
Robbie- Re: DeMi...? DeMi
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,361DeMi> Are you referring to the poster named "Everybody"?
I am 100% sure it is the same person! The same "vibes" are comming from them.
Good luck with your flush tonight!
- Re: DeMi...? DeMi
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- DeMi...? Robbie
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- Tara>Please read Blueduck's post abo... Robbie
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- Re: This is kinda scaring me!!!!
No... Tara
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- Wow! I'm glad you are ok now. MidlothianGirl
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,327Thanks so much for sharing your story. I appreciate your truthfulness, and as I said before, I'm glad you are ok.
This is precisely why I take Gold Coin Grass!!!!! - Re: Caution - Hospitalization - Unde... Giz
21 y
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This is a reply to # 671,327Hi Folks: :-)
I am looking forward to flush # 36 as planned next week. That ought to be good. I must be getting closer and closer to the moment of truth. Happy flushing all. Giz.
- Re: Caution - Hospitalization - Unde... Spirit
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