Re: Liver stones or just some format... 
justmarvin
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>From one of my friends I heared some stories saying that those stones are just formations resulted from oil and body juices mix. >Knowing very little about this sort of chemical tricks I thought that this may be the truth, cause my stones were mainly green and soft.
>But my second clense proved that those were just stories otherwise I would have got the same amount of stones of the same size.
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Hi, I was wondering about this very thing as well. Here is what i found that kind of goes against the liver purge. Tell me what you think. Thanks!
"People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are invited to "flush" them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom Salts , and three cups of water.
It was a nice idea, and interesting things will appear in the toilet bowl soon after. But I'm afraid that they're not your gallstones. Here's why:
Real Gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What you'll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents describes a friend who saves the spheres and displayed them to his friends.
Real Gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and common bile ducts.
Real Gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm very familiar with this.) The "gallstones" you'll produce from this recipe will float, as the "alternative thinkers" themselves point out. (They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)
If you know a little basic chemistry, you'll realize what is happening. The Epsom Salts are magnesium sulfate, and the grapefruit contains some complex carbohydrates. When these slosh around in the stomach and small intestine, they'll form a tough film which will encase drops of olive oil. This will produce some yellowish balls which will float in the toilet.
Hulda Regehr Clark, the author of "The Cure for all Cancers" and "The Cure For HIV/AIDS" promotes this. Since she claims to have both a doctorate in naturopathy and a Ph.D. in something (the latter implying having done substantial original lab research), one would think she would have made an experiment with a real gallstone and discovered that it sinks. There's a nice photo which she took from my friend, pathologist Ed Klatt. She calls them "such small stones" though they're obviously 7-10 mm across. She thinks the stones she displayed formed in the liver and "rolled" into the gallbladder, which is silly. She says gallstones "can be of any color" which is a hoot. She also claims that the major cause of gallstones is wearing shoes.
If you want to believe these people, that is your business. If you try the purge, please chew your grapefruit up thoroughly. Otherwise, you're asking for a gastic bezoar and a trip to the endoscopist to remove the obstruction.
Gallstone cleansing
Gallstone Flush from Hulda Regehr Clark. Much of the material on these sites is identical though it's not clear who has borrowed from who."
Points brought up as a defense to the liver purge... if the liver purge is just a mixture to get these "gall stones" to appear on your stools, then how come you can get to a point where no more "stones" come out? Also, "judge by results" as they say.
However, i'd like to get a definite answer on whether or not the liver purge IS doing what it claims...and not just another placebo pill.
..justmarvin
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Re: Liver stones or just some format... Iris
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> Real Gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What you'll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents describes a friend who saves the spheres and displayed them to his friends.
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Hello justmarvin,
you can try to contact this autopsy pathologist and tell him that he is extremely wrong! Ask him to read this message and to post his comments. It makes me very sad to see that self-appointed authorities make claims about things they have no experience with.
If you click here
, you will see several photos of gallbladder surgicaly removed and photos of gallstones.
ALL THOSE LINKS WILL OPEN IN NEW WINDOW!
If you click here
, you will see several photos of intrahepatic stones.
If you click here
, you will see several photos of stones expelled by liver flush.
And more here
, photos of stones expelled by liver flush.
Those stones are composed of bile ingredients (cholesterol, bile salts, pigments (bilirubin, biliverdin), water.
Make your own conclusion!!!!!
Yes, some stones are "faceted polyhedra", but many stones ARE NOT!
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> Real Gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and common bile ducts.
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Wrong again!
Some people (1 in 100) may experience pain. Read all questions & answers posted in Liver Flush FAQ , and messages posted in Liver Flush Archive and also Liver Flush Forum , . (over 1000 messages)
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> Real Gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm very familiar with this.) The "gallstones" you'll produce from this recipe will float, as the "alternative thinkers" themselves point out. (They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)
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Double Wrong again!
over 80% of gallstones are made of cholesterol.
Cholesterol is lighter then water - it floats.
Stones that sink in water are rare, but if you read Liver Flush FAQ , you will read that some people do pass calcified stones - too!
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> If you know a little basic chemistry, you'll realize what is happening. The Epsom Salts are magnesium sulfate, and the grapefruit contains some complex carbohydrates. When these slosh around in the stomach and small intestine, they'll form a tough film which will encase drops of olive oil. This will produce some yellowish balls which will float in the toilet.
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Wrong again!
If you know a little basic chemistry, you will understand that this explanation is poor.
Gallstones have bee analyzed and proved to be real gallstones, composed of cholesterol, .
Human intestines can not produce cholesetrol!
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> Hulda Regehr Clark, the author of "The Cure for all Cancers" and "The Cure For HIV/AIDS" promotes this. Since she claims to have both a doctorate in naturopathy and a Ph.D. in something (the latter implying having done substantial original lab research), one would think she would have made an experiment with a real gallstone and discovered that it sinks. There's a nice photo which she took from my friend, pathologist Ed Klatt. She calls them "such small stones" though they're obviously 7-10 mm across. She thinks the stones she displayed formed in the liver and "rolled" into the gallbladder, which is silly.
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It is not silly.
Read Liver Flush FAQ , - it is explained, it is common sense!
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> She says gallstones "can be of any color" which is a hoot.
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Again wrong!
If you click here
, you will see several photos of gallbladder surgicaly removed and photos of gallstones.
It is true that gallstones can be of almost any color!
Ask any surgeon who has seen more then 1000 removed gallbladders and more then 50 000 stones, and he will tell you that it is true!
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> She also claims that the major cause of gallstones is wearing shoes.
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She does not claim that in no one of her 5 published books!
You can read books online here .
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> If you want to believe these people, that is your business. If you try the purge, please chew your grapefruit up thoroughly. Otherwise, you're asking for a gastic bezoar and a trip to the endoscopist to remove the obstruction.
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Again wrong!
He did not even read the recipe.
You are suppose to use grapefruit juice, not to chew grapefruit!
Read the recipe here .
Please read FAQ, all those questions have been explained by several different people!
This "autopsy pathologist" is just a poor soul. I am sorry for his ignorance.
All too often, self-appointed authorities will state categorically that they do not believe other's observations.
Far better for Science would be if responsible individuals maintain an attitude of open inquiry and test the obervations of others before forming RIGID opinions.
Do your own flus, analyze your own stones, and then form RIGID opinion! That is science!
In the sase of Liver FLUSH, human welfare might well be served if concerned researchers made every effort to fully study Liver Flush & to discover what disseases and ilness could be cured and/or prevented by liver flush.
I must remind you that Hulda Clark did not discover liver flush, it existed for hundreds - possibly thousands of years.
Do your flush, and do not trust to any self-appointed authority, who has never tried it himself!
best of health
Iris
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- Re: Liver stones or just some format... John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 65,491>
> "People who have gallstones, or think they have gallstones, are
> invited to "flush" them out by swallowing a concoction of 1/2 cup
> of olive oil, a big grapefruit, 4 tablespoons of Epsom Salts , and
> three cups of water.
This kind of simplification demonstrates a lack of understanding of what's going on. You've listed the ingredients, but you've completely lost the technique. More comments you (or the author of this attack) make further demonstrate a lack of understanding of the technique.
> Real Gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the
> picture on the links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What
> you'll get from the recipe are spheres. One of my correspondents
> describes a friend who saves the spheres and displayed them to his
> friends.
As I've explained elsewhere, I passed Gallstones during my gallstone attacks last year. I've also passed Gallstones doing flushes. I was not drinking oil (in fact, I avoided fats like crazy) last year. I am definitely drinking oil this year. I'm seeing the same kinds of stones -- the same appearance, the same texture -- now as I did then -- plus other ones this year that I didn't pass then. Then hurt like hell. Now doesn't. It does kinda tickle... And I can feel when my liver or gallbladder goes into overdrive pushing out bile during a flush.
> Real gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and
> common bile ducts.
And on this point, we are in full agreement.
> Real gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm
> very familiar with this.) The "gallstones" you'll produce from
> this recipe will float, as the "alternative thinkers" themselves
> point out. (They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)
I dunno... the one's I've seen float, but then I've also found them embedded in feces (both last year and now), and so it's difficult to say whether or not they were floaters or sinkers.
It tends to depend on the composition of the stone, no? I've read *old* texts on gallstones which described them as having a variety of colors.
> If you know a little basic chemistry, you'll realize what is
> happening. The Epsom Salts are magnesium sulfate, and the
> grapefruit contains some complex carbohydrates. When these slosh
> around in the stomach and small intestine, they'll form a tough
> film which will encase drops of olive oil. This will produce some
> yellowish balls which will float in the toilet.
Little yellowish balls... that scratch my ass on the way out? So then how do you explain the tan and green ones?
OK, let's, for the sake of argument, follow along this line. If you actually understood the technique, you would know that the Epsom Salts and the oils are not taken together. In fact, they're taken such that the epsom salts have passed through an *empty* stomach two hours before the oil is introduced. Therefore, the magnesium sulfate has already been absorbed into the tissues before the oil even hits the stomach and small intestine. The chance of a large volume of magnesium sulfate interacting with the oil is very, very small.
In this case, it isn't an understanding of chemistry which is needed, but merely the ability to follow directions.
It might be interesting, however, to throw all the ingredients you've mentioned into a mixing bowl and see what comes out.
> If you want to believe these people, that is your business. If you
> try the purge, please chew your grapefruit up thoroughly.
> Otherwise, you're asking for a gastic bezoar and a trip to the
> endoscopist to remove the obstruction.
I find this EXTREMELY amusing. If you had ONCE bothered to read Dr. Clark's materials or even ONCE attempted to understand them, you'd know that the grapefruit is JUICED. I'd really like to know how you juice a grapefruit such that you have to chew it.
Conclusion: you did a half-assed job of reading the material, decided that you "know best" and could "think you way through it" without once ever directly observing whether or not the TECHNIQUE worked, and then tried to pass off your "learned" opinion on others.
Hell, if you can't follow the simple instruction of juicing the grapefruit, it's highly unlikely that you could follow the entire procedure, and it's even more unlikely that you could be as expert in the operation of the human gallbladder as you purport to be.
One direct observation beats a thousand expert opinions.
=-John-=
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