How is that R2r? That comment made by Ev was the first comment made after Vtool posted about mystery babylon..and it accelerated from there. And i'm leaving it at that because you're obviously biased and don't like me, therefore we will never be settled in argument.

Olga

The word of the bible is not an opinion. Christianity is not an opinion. We believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savour. As Thomas called Jesus in John20:28,"..My Lord and my God...

John1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD.

There is no opinion about this fact. Unbelief is not for christianity and not for this forum.

Thank you Zule, my prayer's are with you and your family, and I hope you overcome your health challenges. I invite you to check out the Zapper Forum s sometime for some insights into health attainment possibilities with the latest discoveries in energy therapy.

We now enter the phase of the Illuminati and the Great Awakening,

Cyrus Scofield and the subversion of modern Christianity

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"And no marvel for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" --- Rabbi Saul of Tarsus - 1 Corinthians 11:14-15.

The key to understanding this is in the Hebrew Prophecies themselves. It is made absolutely clear that the Jews are first to achieve dominion over the nations of the earth, and then Zion will be proclaimed over the whole.

"And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and even upon her assemblies, a cloud of smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defense." --- Isaiah 4:5, King James Version

A defense against what? If this is to be the kingdom of Christ Jesus, what need for a defense, Christian? And yet you teach that Zion is Jesus' earthly kingdom because this is what your church elders had been taught by Cyrus Scofield, editor of your Bible concordance. He went to great efforts to convince you that Isaiah and Micah's "mountain of the Lord's house" is supposed to mean the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ. That is a lie; his argument is a fraud, yet you can't see it.

Jesus' kingdom needs no pillar of fire and smoke to protect it. The word "Zion", in Hebrew, means "Sepulchre". Solomon's Temple was built on Mount Moriah, not on Mount Zion. Mount Zion lies to the south of the Old City, separated by a narrow valley, and to the southwest of the Mount of Olives. Mount Zion is also known as Golgotha – the "Hill of Skulls" – or Calvary.

Zion and Calvary are one and the same. Jesus was crucified on Zion! The Christian confusing of Zion with the Rebuilding of the Second Temple is a mistake, the result of bad geography and/or a metaphorically bizarre Kabbalistic joke.

Is the Sepulchre to be the place of Redemption? [Freemasonry! ]

Was Jesus not crucified on the same spot where Abraham had built an altar to sacrifice his son, Isaac? What is the relationship between Jesus and Zion?

Who taught us to use that word?

Can you see how we have been deceived by our own Christian churches, taught to worship our doom in the Antichrist?

The text of Isaiah 2:1 clearly states "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem." Are you a Jew? Will you be allowed to worship in the Third Temple when it is built? Methinks not!

What was Cyrus Scofield trying to hide from us?

"The Tetragrammaton appears to have its origin in the phrase found in Exodus 3:14, "I am that I am". Before this it was known as the Shem ha-meforash, the seventy-two syllabled name of God, made up of 216 letters.
The source of the Shem ha-meforash, according to tradition, are verses 19-21 of Exodus xiv, each of the three verses containing seventy-two Hebrew letters. The letters of verse 19 were written down in separated form and in correct order; the letters of verse 20, also in separated form, were written down in reverse order, and the letters of verse 21 were written down in correct order.

Reading from above down, one obtains seventy-two three-letter names, all of which combine to make one. To these three-lettered names were then added either AL or IH to form the names of the seventy-two angels of Jacob's ladder." Charles Ponce Kabbalah

The type of permutation described above is called Temura, and it is a common Kabbalist device. The three verses of Exodus 14:19-21 that constitute the Shem ha-meforash happen to describe how a pillar of cloud by day and fire by night appeared just prior to Moses' leading the Hapiru across the Red Sea into the desert. This is a cipher, so that wherever a "pillar of fire by night" or "cloud by day" is mentioned in the Bible, one may substitute the Shem ha-meforash to obtain the proper Kabbalistic interpretation.

The Kabbalists know that the Shem ha-meforash – the Seventy-two Syllabled Name of God, the Seventy-two Angels of Jacob's Ladder, the seventy-two Sanhedrin – are also the seventy-two proper names of daemons, who are sealed in the Key of Solomon. This Key is used by the Practical Kabbalist to construct talismans by which he may summon, or conjure, these beings. To the Speculative Kabbalist the names represent the seventy-two dominions, principalities, elementals, powers and paths over which he seeks mastery.

Thus, from a Kabbalistic perspective, the verse of Isaiah 4:5 is stating that after the Mountain of Zion has been constructed, the deity shall assign seventy-two daemons – an infernal Sanhedrin, if you will – to watch over Zion and protect it.

And that, my dear reader, is exactly what Cyrus Scofield called the Kingdom of Jesus! That, Christian, is what your ministers taught you is Jesus' Second Coming! Ye worship ye know not what!

And who was Cyrus Scofield?

As a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, he met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer who had been sent to Atchison by the "Secret Six" some thirty years before to work the Abolitionist cause. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar, and procured his appointment as Federal Attorney for Kansas. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Cyrus serving time for criminal forgery.

While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the "any moment now" rapture doctrine.

Upon his release from prison, Scofield deserted his first wife, Leonteen Carry Scofield, and his two daughters Abigail and Helen, and he took as his mistress a young girl from the St. Louis Flower Mission. He later abandoned her for Helen van Ward, whom he eventually married. Following his Illuminati connections to New York, he settled in at the Lotus Club, which he listed as his residence for the next twenty years. It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer, who later became chairman of the American Jewish Committee, president of the American League of Jewish Patriots, and chairman of the Non-sectarian Anti-Nazi League.

Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These were the people who financed Scofield's research trips to Oxford and arranged the publication and distribution of his concordance.

It is impossible to overstate the influence of Cyrus Scofield on twentieth-century Christian beliefs. The Scofield Bible is the standard reference work in virtually all Christian ministries and divinity schools. It is singularly responsible for the Christian belief that the Hebrew Prophecies describe the kingdom of Jesus' Second Coming, and not the Zionist vision of a man-made New World Order.

And it is precisely because Christians persist in this belief that they remain blind to the reality of Zion.

Scofield served as the agent by which the Zionists paralyzed Christianity, while they prepared America for our final conquest.

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The following info was excerpted from a web site as shown beneath the title.

SCOFIELD: THE MAN BEHIND THE MYTH http://home.beseen.com/belief/jamesers/Cyrus/Scofield.htm

This is a short biographical sketch revealing little known facts about the celebrated dispensationalist saint, Cyrus Ingerson Scofield, author of the Scofield Reference Bible. We are grateful to Joseph Canfield for his book, The Incredible Scofield And His Book, and to author Dave MacPherson for providing a good portion of the documentation.

Generally speaking, dispensationalists tend to cherish his teachings without any concern whatsoever for what kind of man Scofield really was. For some reason, his admirers consider it unethical or possibly even contemptible to expose embarrassing little known secrets about the man.

Facts should not be buried because they make people feel uncomfortable.

Neither C.I. Scofield nor his work are above reproach and considering the impact he has had on Christendom, his life should be examined. The type of person that he really was will have a major influence on the theology that he taught.

Former Dallas Theological Seminary President and student of Scofield’s theology John F. Walvoord, has written concerning the Scofield Reference Bible:

( typewritten copy of Scofield divorce decree )

Journal M, November Term, A.D. 1883, 8th day of December, 1883

Leontine Scofield Plaintiff Vs C. I. Scofield Defendant

Now comes the plaintiff by her attorneys Tomlinson and Griffin and the defendant enters for appearance and files answer and makes no further appearance. And thereupon this cause came on for hearing upon the pleadings and testimony and was argued by counsel upon consideration whereof the Court does find that the defendant has been guilty of wilfull abandonment of the plaintiff for more than one year prior to the commencement of this action.

It is therefore adjudged and decreed by the Court here that the marriage relation heretofore existing between the said parties be and the same is hereby set aside and wholly annulled and the parties wholly released from the obligations of the same.

It is further ordered and decreed that the custody, nurture, education and care of the said minor children Abigal Scofield and Helen Scofield, be and the same, is hereby given to the said plaintiff and the said defendant is hereby forever enjoined from interfering with or disturbing the said plaintiff in the custody, care, nurture and education of the said above named children until the further order of this Court.

Cyrus Scofield had several other incidents of a downright dishonest nature after he supposedly became saved. The fact that in 1892 he began calling himself 'Doctor Scofield' without producing any Doctorate degree from any Seminary or University is the least of his devious activities. Even the details he gave in his story of conversion are proven to be fabricated, including the time, place and other particularities, thereby placing doubt on the whole story .[iv]

He was a self-promoter in every sense of the word, even lying about being able to comfort and calm the entire city of Belfast, Ireland with a sermon he delivered there the Sunday after the Titanic sunk.[v]

His behind-the-scenes handlers [Untermeyer, Gompers, Baruch, Schiff, etc.] saw to it that his swindles and schemes were swept under the rug and that only a positive image of him was promoted, especially an exaggeration of his Biblical knowledge and wisdom. Men like 33rd degree freemason George Bannerman Dealey owner of the Dallas Morning News and member of Scofield’s church contributed greatly to the cause.

But occasionally, newspapers who weren’t loyal to his cause would put out damaging information on him. Here is an excerpt from the Topeka newspaper The Daily Capital dated August 27, 1881:

"CYRUS I. SCHOFIELD IN THE ROLE OF A CONGREGATIONAL MINISTER

"Cyrus I. Schofield, formerly of Kansas, late lawyer, politician and shyster generally, has come to the surface again, and promises once more to gather around himself that halo of notoriety that has made him so prominent in the past.

The last personal knowledge that Kansans have had of this peer among scalawags, was when about four years ago, after a series of forgeries and confidence games he left the state and a destitute family and took refuge in Canada.

For a time he kept undercover, nothing being heard of him until within the past two years when he turned up in St. Louis, where he had a wealthy widowed sister living who has generally come to the front and squared up Cyrus’ little follies and foibles by paying good round sums of money.

Within the past year, however, Cyrus committed a series of St. Louis forgeries that could not be settled so easily, and the erratic young gentleman was compelled to linger in the St. Louis jail for a period of six months.

Among the many malicious acts that characterized his career, was one peculiarly atrocious, that has come under our personal notice. Shortly after he left Kansas, leaving his wife and two children dependent upon the bounty of his wife’s mother, he wrote his wife that he could invest some $1,300 of her mother’s money, all she had, in a manner that would return big interest.

After some correspondence he forwarded them a mortgage, signed and executed by one Chas. Best, purporting to convey valuable property in St. Louis. Upon this, the money was sent to him. Afterwards the mortgages were found to be base forgeries, no such person as Charles Best being in existence, and the property conveyed in the mortgage fictitious…”[vi]

Scofield’s work continues to be praised and utilized today by men with questionable motives. His closely guarded reputation remains intact and this information provided will only be useful to the truth-seekers, which represents a relatively small percentage of Christendom. At least two scriptures are applicable at this point:

"For there is no respecter of persons with God." -- Romans 2:11
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- Matthew 7:20

Scofield abandoned his wife and children and refused to support them. I Timothy 5:8 says “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” When his first wife Leontine originally filed for divorce in July 1881, she listed the following reasons: “

(he had)…absented himself from his said wife and children, and had not been with them but abandoned them with the intention of not returning to them again… has been guilty of gross neglect of duty and has failed to support this plaintiff or her said children, or to contribute thereto, and has made no provision for them for food, clothing or a home, or in any manner performed his duty in the support of said family although he was able to do so.”[iii]

This edition of the Bible [Scofield Reference Bible], which has had unprecedented circulation, has popularized premillennial teachings and provided ready helps of interpretation. It has probably done more to extend premillennialism in the last half century than any other volume.

This accounts for the many attempts to discredit this work. The reputation of the Scofield Bible is curious because each succeeding writer apparently believes that his predecessors have not succeeded in disposing of this work once and for all. This belief apparently is well-founded, for the Scofield Bible continues to be issued year after year in greater numbers than any of its refuters.[i]

This is the general concensus among dispensationalist leaders that because his work is around in such great quantity it must be correct, so they plug it. These men, however, through their heavy promotion of Scofield’work, are largely responsible for the popularity of it (they exhibit circular reasoning).

When giving the qualifications of a bishop, Paul states in 1 Timothy 3:2,4:

2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

Did Scofield meet the qualifications for a leader in the church? His friends and colleagues have tried to hide the fact that he was married twice, had two daughters with his first wife and was divorced by her due to how he treated her and their daughters.

Scofield began courting his future second wife Hettie van Wark before the divorce was finalized and they got married only three months after it was.[ii] His divorce was finalized at least four years after he became ‘born again’. [end excerpts]

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HOW DOES SAMUEL UNTERMEYER FIT INTO THE SCHEME?

Scofield was "taken under the wing of Samuel Untermeyer (Untermeyer) (Untermyer)..."

Read the excerpt from The Hidden Tyranny, by Benjamin H. Freedman. He explains how Untermeyer blackmailed President Woodrow Wilson for the furation of Wilson's presidency, and how Untermeyer was able to choose the next vacant seat on the U.S. Supreme Court, which installed Justice Brandeis.



What is the Rapture?

The word "rapture" comes from the Vulgate (Latin) version of

I Thes 4:16 - 17: For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up (harpagesometha) in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever.

The doctrine developed to supply an answer for those "perplexed about the comparative position of believers who had died before [Christ's coming] and those who are still alive"(Guthrie, New Testament Theology). It has a two-fold function: to unite survivors with the coming Lord and to transform them into the resurrected state as the rest.

The word "rapture" is an English transliteration of the Latin word rapio, rapere, raptum, meaning "to seize and carry off." The Greek of the same passage is harpagesometha and means "will be seized." The KJV translates, "shall be caught up."



How did this teaching develop?

The father of the rapture was Manuel de Lecunza y Diaz, born in Chile in 1731. He became a Jesuit priest in Spain. Jesuits were expelled from Spain in 1767 due to their brutality and uncontrollability. Lecunza fled to Imola, Italy where he masqueraded as a converted Jew of the name of Rabbi ben Ezra. Here he wrote The Coming Messiah in Glory and Ecstacy. He theorized the Church would be “raptured” to assist with judging the earth for that 45 days before Christ's coming. He based his teaching of the Rapture on Dan 12:11-12. Lecunza died in 1801; his book was translated into English in 1821.

John Nelson Darby (1800-82), dissatisfied with the Church of Ireland, formed his own church, the Plymouth Brethren around 1830. He moved to England to further his movement, and discovered Lecunza's book, and "came to an understanding of this new truth [of the rapture]." He added to this the idea that Daniel's 70th week (Dan 9:26-27) was POSTPONED until the end of the dispensation of the church, to become a 7-year tribulation period. Such teaching of rapture and tribulation were not popular until Darby went to America and met Cyrus I. Scofield.

Cyrus I. Scofield (1843 - 1921) was so taken with Darby's modification of Lecunza's ideas, that he incorporated much of Darby's system of into his Bible study notes, which he published in 1917. Many of the notable Bible scholars of the day refuted the 7-year tribulation and rapture as "fanciful," and 3 members of Scofield's revision team quit over their inclusion (including C. R. Eerdman of Princeton). Nevertheless, the Scofield Bible became the most popular Bible and study system of the 20th century. The doctrines espoused in his notes became popular as well.

In the 1930's, Professor Ironside of Moody Bible Institute began to support the view, and several other well-known fundamentalist seminaries including Dallas Theological Seminary, jumped on the bandwagon.



What Does Scripture Actually Teach About the Rapture?

The doctrine of known as "The Rapture" that evolved out of the teachings of J. N. Darby are still very prevalent today in evangelical churches and common understanding of the nominal Christians. In a nutshell, the Scofield Bible notes teach that, preceding the coming of Christ, there will be a seven-year period of great tribulation (suffering) on earth. But the saints of Christ will not experience this great tribulation, for at the beginning, all sincere believers will be transformed into spirit beings and meet Christ in the atmosphere or sky. This idea is commonly known as "The Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church."

Although the evangelical church teaches the Pre-tribulation Rapture almost exclusively, Scripture proves it to be a false doctrine. The danger of it lies in its false sense of security. If one is saved out of tribulation, one need not prepare for it. Because the Pre-tribulation Rapture it is accepted by powerful preachers and churches, church people have been lulled into a false and selfish sense of security, blinding the church to the realities of the present world tribulation.



Primary Proof Text

Look at the primary proof-text for a rapture of the church:

(1 Th 4:15-17 KJV) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. {16} For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: {17} Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Indeed, this scripture tells us that believers dead and alive will rise into the atmosphere to be with Christ. But when? At the trumpet of God. Revelation tells us there are seven trumpets. Which one? We look to a parallel passage to find out.

(1 Co 15:51-52) Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, {52} In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul is now more explicit about the time -- at the last trump. Here both living and dead will be changed -- resurrected as incorruptible. This entire chapter is devoted to spiritual resurrection. It is the very same thing Paul mentioned in the previous passage. So the trumpet of 1 Th 4:16 is the same as the trump of 1 Co 15:52: it is the final one.



What Jesus Says About the Last Trump

Let's look now to Jesus for his take on the last trump, and the order of things before the rapture.

(Mat 24) {21} For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. ... {29}Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. ... {31} And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus also speaks of a rapture, or better, "gathering of the elect," at the time of the last (great) trumpet. But first, there will be an unprecedented tribulation, powers will be shaken, then the trumpet will sound, then there will be a gathering in the sky -- all in that order. The gathering is the last thing that happens in this series, not the first. It comes after tribulation, not before.



The Final Trumpet and the Reign of Christ

Many today say that the rapture takes place followed by seven years of tribulation under an antichrist-style dictator on earth. But scripture clearly shows that the tribulation of earth is completed when the trumpet sounds and the gathering takes place. Reinforcing this viewpoint is Revelation 11:15, which tells exactly what happens after the final (seventh) trumpet:

(Rev 11:15 KJV) And the seventh angel sounded (the final trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

After the final trumpet, Christ comes to reign over the kingdoms of the earth.



The Two Witnesses

The end-time tribulation and gathering (rapture) is played out allegorically in the story of the two witnesses of Revelation11.

(Rev 11) {3} And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. {4} These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. ...

The identities of these witnesses have mystified Bible teachers. But finding their identities is a simple matter. Among other clues, we have the dead giveaway -- they are two candlesticks -- two end-time groups or "churches" (assemblies) (1:20) -- those who (1) revere the commandments of God and (2) hold the testimony of Jesus (1:2, 1:9, 12:17), namely, lost Israel 7:1-3) and saints of Jesus (7:9-10).

Next is described the martyrdom of the Witnesses:

(Rev 11) {7} And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The Beast in this connotation is Satan using his own children to do the dirty work. The saints of God will be overcome and killed. Next, their resurrection, or "rapture," is described:

{11} And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. {12} And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Those who have lived in the 20th century have been witness to the martyrdoms of multiple millions of hopeful Jews and true Christian believers all over the world. While contented believers in our country await their rapture, hundreds of thousands are being killed for their faith in other countries. While comfortable believers in our country are enjoying a full measure of safety, beleaguered believers in other countries are "being killed all the day long" for their testimony. American believers have a vague notion that persecution is coming. Yet our idea of persecution is usually limited to the issue of school prayer or church rights. What is currently happening in Sudan, Algeria or Nigeria could never happen here. (Nobody much even knows what is happening to believers in Sudan.) The Pre-Tribulation Rapture becomes a perfect reason for doing nothing. Still, why would American believers want to be raptured? We've got it made in the American Babylon.



Paul’s Lively Hope

A note on the Apostle and The Rapture. Remember, Paul wrote these words: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up ... in the clouds." Paul fully expected to be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus along with the believers at Thessalonica. However, church tradition tells us that Paul died in the tribulation of Nero. The lively hope of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture didn’t materialize. Nevertheless, we have no doubt that Paul, like the two witnesses of Rev 7, was immediately glorified, and will be on hand with the other watchful saints at the last trumpet, as we who likewise die for Jesus in our day shall.