Hey don't get caught in the next black out. Here is a discussion board on how to make homebrewed electricity easy. (It doesn't mean you have to leave this great board) Example thread for beginners electricity (easy) http://www.fighting.org/discus/messages/441/773.html another example thread for beginners (easy) http://www.fighting.org/discus/messages/441/491.html It has lots of methods from beginnners to advanced, but only a few brave people there ready to answer questions Main Page http://www.fighting.org/discus/messages/441/441.html And they do get politically steamed sometimes, Example thread of asking "What the...?" http://www.fighting.org/discus/messages/441/743.html FallingSky