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This guy called "TheTruthMan" has tried to cause trouble in the Dr.Clark area with a message I left. It is obvious he is against alternative and only here to disrupt! I suggest he is TERMINATED to save the Cancerous establishment spreading... Press the Amygdalin KEY and wipe him out.- What about "Em"? #1311
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This is a reply to # 606,891As much as she claims to be trying to be supportive, her advice is scaring people and all she does is quote from mainstream medical studies. I haven't seen any evidence that she's supported anyone.
She has openly stated that she wants to prove the Liver Flush and results false. Why are we tolerating this?
I thought Curezone was about "Educating instead of Medicating"?- I am beginning to agree.. southern belle
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MoreThis is a reply to # 606,892When "em" first began posting, she stated she was writing a book and was looking for proof that people who had stones before the flush had an ultrasound and proved that the Liver Flush removed the stones. I was more than glad to help her and I found her proof.
Since that time, she continues on other forums making negative statements. So, is she writing a book?
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This is a reply to # 606,893You e-mailed me on May 1 and said you would go back in the archives and see if you could find someone who had their stones analyzed.
You said that you would let me know if you did, but I haven't heard from you since.
Yes, I do intend to write a book. I haven't started the actually writing yet, as I haven't finished researching.
- Yes, I did... southern belle
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This is a reply to # 606,895I gave you a post I had found in the Liver Flush archives. You read it, thanked me and you wanted his e-mail address.
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- Paulette, I haven't received any pro... em
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- Please check what I have really said em
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It is entirely untrue to say "she openly stated that she wants to prove the Liver Flush and results false."
What I have said (repeatedly) is that I am sure that Liver Flushing produces beneficial results, but I have not found any evidence to prove that the stones produced are gallstones. You might even recall that I suggested to one person, who intended to get stone tests done, that she also asked for before and after flush cholesterol tests, since I believe the benefits may well come from serum cholesterol reduction.
As for your statement "all she does is quote from mainstream medical studies". Just go to Ask Shelley, type "em" in the search box and then read 3 pages of my posts. You wont be able to repeat that statement after that.
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- Please consider this Zule
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MoreThis is a reply to # 606,894Dear Em
I have read some of your posts.
I di dnot like when you said to somebody at Andrea's forum that he might have some kind of scaring anemia.
I thought it was very reckless to give such diagnosis having so little information.
We can not play God and think we know so much about anything.
TO give such diagnosis we need a comprehensive analysis of hte person.
I really liked Andreas answer to the same question. He very kindly explained that between flushes people might have confusing test results due to the cleansing process.
How good can be to tell a person something that has little probability to be true and can scare them a lot?
Many people here are sufffering from serious disseases, stress, depression, etc.
We need to educate with kindness and respect. Suport is a necessity of first order since most of us are overwhelmed with traditional medicine lack of answers, pain, confussion and uncertainty.
I hope you can get this idea.
Regards
Zule- I'll tell you the full story Zule em
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This is a reply to # 606,897If the cause is found and eliminated at an early stage, hemolytic anemia does not become a problem. If allowed to get progress it can be life threatening. I should know, because I NEARLY DIED FROM IT.
I had a foot wound that was proving difficult to heal, other than that I had no untoward symptoms and was feeling perfectly healthy, until the day I suddenly collapsed. I ended up in intensive care being treated for hemolytic anemia induced shock and, at one point, it was touch and go as to whether I’d live.
My hemolytic anemia was caused by penicillin, other drugs can cause it in certain individuals, so can some foods - fava beans for example.
The Ask Andreas questioner’s two blood test results were, as I said, classic tests used to diagnose hemolytic anemia. So, now you know the potential results, do you still say I was wrong to warn?
After I had read Andreas' response, I became very concerned. It is true that blood tests can vary from one crummy laboratory to another, but any blood tests done by a reputable laboratory will be valid and the poster's tests were clearly done by a reputable lab. Also, I cannot see any valid reason for saying that Liver Flushing should affect blood test results, so the suggestion that the poster should wait 6 to 8 weeks for further tests worried me greatly because, if haemolytic anaemia were the problem, a 6 to 8 week wait could prove fatal.
At that point I didn't know what to do. I didn’t want to further alarm, but - after my personal near death experience – I didn’t want to just let this person wait, with perhaps serious consequences.
I decided to contact a moderator. I explained my personal experience, my dilemma about not wanting to alarm – in case AH was not the problem – and my worries about waiting for a follow up. I didn’t get a reply.
Now you know the full story, do you still think I was wrong to suggest finding out the reason for those blood test results? If you do, what would you have done?
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- I'll tell you the full story Zule em
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- Re: What about "Em"? Grog
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This is a reply to # 606,892Is she a troll or just plain annoying? Or potentially harmful? She has put her medical establishment two cents in anywhere she can find a crack! Does she think that her constant pleas to integrate allopathic medicine into Curezone endears us, or awakens our dull minds to the light of modern pharmaceutical science? Does she think we only opened our eyes to the issues of health and nutrition when we woke up this morning? Her patronizing attitude and unconscious advice is starting to grate on many peoples nerves as I can tell by this string! Do we have to follow her around and make sure she is not frightening new posters who have come here as a last hope after being screwed over by the allopaths most of thier lives to find this em person telling them to go back to the very place they are running from? Is she a troll or potentially harmful? Or just plain annoying?
- Re: What about "Em"? #20070
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This is a reply to # 606,901You know this sucks! I love curezone. I read it everyday. But I am embarassed by this attacking behavior. Yes, Em is a know-it-all and has a tendency to be condescending. But the way you all are acting is going to scare people away just as fast. Where's the positivity? Where's the kindness. If you want to change Em's opinion, lead by example. That's what Shelley is doing. Read how she deals with Em. I don't know what else to say. I am just really sad that this is the way we are treating people here at curezone, really disappointed!
- Re: What about "Em"? Grog
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This is a reply to # 606,902Geesh another anonymous type support for a questionable poster! Is that you em? YesI've seen em's attack on Andreas and Wrenn!
- I agree.... Tracey
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This is a reply to # 606,902Geesh another anonymous type support for a questionable poster! Is that you em? YesI've seen em's attack on Andreas and Wrenn!
- Re: I agree.... Grog
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This is a reply to # 606,904This is the webmaster"s sight! A place where I am told to lodge a complaint! Am I being told trolling has become exceptable at the zone! Ez had a lot of support also! Why is that?
- the Webmaster has spoken with Em bef... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 606,905she has put down many forums here it is common knowledge
for those that have been around.
the original poster at the top of the post has a right to voice opinion asking for a relook at current behavior
the rest of course is up to Webmaster whether Em has changed or is continung in ragging.
it is all really that simple.
there is nothing *attacking* in stating facts and to try to censor a persons opinions is against freedom of speech when they are re-questioning for a review of a potentially continuing current activity. from one who has already been addressed on this concern.
I am sure that the Webmaster will deal with it as he sees fit.
the posts will speak for them selves.
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- Re: the Webmaster has spoken with Em... nobugsplease
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This is a reply to # 606,906I understand that everyone has the right to their opinion, as do I. I am coming from the point of view of someone who just recently started posting, but has been reading for a long time. So maybe, because I don't have an established position here, my opinion isn't as valuable. Many of you have been here for a vary long time and put your heart and soul into this site. I do understand that and I also appreciate it, very much. I personally, am not a big fan of Em. There are times that I even skip over her posts just because I'm not in the mood to hear it. I do, however, think that there is a usefulness to her skeptism. Sometimes the "Doubting Thomas'" help to prove a case. Em is verbalizing questions that I'm sure others have had. Rather than vindicating her, it seems to me that it would be more effective to prove her wrong. Not everyone who comes to curezone has the same background. For some people natural healing like this is a very new concept. If they ask their doctors about it, usually the doctors deny the validity. I think that anything we can do to help spread the word helps. It would be ideal if everyone who came here was knowledgeable and supportive, but that's not the world we live in. It seems to me that standing strong in the face of doubt is the way to go. People who visit curezone often face the same kind of doubt in their everyday lives. Providing an example of how to deal with it intelligently and elegantly would be a great service. An example of that, is the way Spirit made his point in the thread in the Liver Flush Forum . That's my opinion for what it's worth. Even though I am a new poster, curezone is near and dear to my heart, and I hope to contribute in a positive way.
- Re: Great post nobugsplease IMHO :) ... MentalNomad 20 y 2,038
- Well said! n/p Tracey 20 y 1,980
- Some common sense at last! Great pos... Johnny Vegas
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- Re: Some common sense at last! Great... Grog
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This is a reply to # 606,910Well ya a little common sense ! Whats wrong with just a little debunking of the alternatives treatments here at the zone! We all need that information! Hey lets give Stephan Barret a forum then we will all know both side of the issue! Im not sure how that will look to newcomers? Might be a little confusing!
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- Re: Some common sense at last! Great... Grog
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- Re: the Webmaster has spoken with Em... nobugsplease
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- the Webmaster has spoken with Em bef... Wrenn
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- Re: I agree.... Grog
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- Re: What about "Em"? Grog
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- Re: What about "Em"? #20070
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- I am beginning to agree.. southern belle
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- What about "Em"? #1311
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