Bush says that pulling out now,and therefore stopping the carnage and pain felt by so many dead soldier's families, "would send the wrong signal".

So what? Its not as if the terrorists will not be there whenever America leaves - of course they will. So , it is on that small point that we continue the carnage. It doesn't balance out at all. The terrorists are allready "waiting until the USA leaves to start civil war. There is no way to reach the stated goal of the American prescence.

The sacrifice is for a goal: to end Terrorism in Iraq, to kill the terrorists so they won't strike America. That goal is why we are dying like this, and it doesn't add up at all - that goal is pure air, not a goal at all, it can never be reached.
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And that is why the carnage must continue? Bush is completely whacked, or lying, but his receptive audiences are so much more whacked to believe it, to accept that reason and goal for losing soldiers [to say nothing of the Iraqi innocents!]

Also, Bush is saying that Iran, right next to Iraq and with a lot of oil also, is producing terrorists, so they can't have nukes, so America must annihilate Iran next. Another 9-11, Pearl Harbour, South China sea, etc etc.- just a phoney tactic of an excuse to invade. Its getting boring it is so consistent. Except that they want WW3, which makes it not boring but scary.disheartening.dark.

I recently heard a churchy guy saying that he "knows that we are on the brink of the 2nd coming, the rapture where everything goes dark and then we are reborn [if we are good people]" That is just another whacked out goofy idea to control people. It wil never happen, but can allways be used because it cannot be disproven, like the existence of god. %¤#&!§-stupid followers - grab a brain before you kill us all and wipe out all of "gods works" here [nature] - you would surely go to hell if there were such a thing.

I am more sure of that than you are of the rapure, you goofball.[s].

-----------------------------How to stop the war--------------------------

How to stop the war? all wars? - Don't bloody well fight!! Thre is no enemy to vanquish... wait for some certain signs of it, not just phoney setups like "9-11".
That incident , 9-11, was not enough on its own to go to war anyhow, the "rush to war" seen by most Americans is evidence that 9-11 was not enough to go to war on, wait until some visible enemy shows up. Until then, don't allow your sons to be recruited.
Across the U.S., parents, youth, and activists are realizing that if we can stop the flow of troops, we can stop the war. The movement against military recruiting is having an impact far beyond what is reported by the corporate media.

More than 6,000 soldiers have deserted since the beginning of the war
Enlistments are down by more than thirty percent...the situation for military recruiters has become so stressful that many are suffering nervous breakdowns and thoughts of suicide, 37 recruiters have gone AWOL.
Recruiters are being driven off campus or challenged by activists who present opposing information. Groups of parents, educators, youth, and activists are meeting across the country to discuss strategies to defend our young people against the predators in uniform.

No Draft No Way - http://www.NoDraftNoWay.org.

As for those currently serving, many are merely National Gaurd who were never told to expect this kind of combat. It has never been their duty to fight in foreign nations - Bushco can hardly even raise up an army it seems!! Maybe we can win this war by losing the Army!!!