so do stones float or not? 
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here is a quote from something I was reading here:
http://www.acssurgery.com/acsonline/chapters/ch0416.htm
"Stones should be located and removed whenever possible. An effective way of removing small stones is to irrigate the subhepatic space copiously. Cholesterol stones usually float on the irrigation fluid and can then be suctioned through a 10 mm suction probe"
so, if cholesterol stones "usually" float on irrigation fluid (saline water solution) why wouldn't they "usually" float in the toilet? can't be the saline... i think you are going to have to post more than an abstract, which can be quite misleading, to convince me that all "gallstones" sink in water.
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- Re: so do stones float or not? resurrectionist
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MoreThis is a reply to # 412,983well johng my experience with retrieving Gallstones from the peritoneal cavity is rather different. you will note that I have said that some cholesterol Gallstones will float. do you see now the reason for research - because very often if you search hard enough you can find one quote or opinion that differs from the rest? I have presented quotes that say that most Gallstones sink. if you did a proper scientific analysis you could come up with a answer rather than just confirm what you want to think
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- Re: so do stones float or not? johng
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This is a reply to # 412,986sorry res but the abstract summary you posted was quite vague, and quite possibly misleading. why don't you post a link to the entire article as i did? seems only fair to me. and time after time when i catch you over-generalizing you have some excuse. ok, now you admit some float... so, what did you say before about the stones people are flushing out here? they must be fecal matter because why?
go ahead and research it if you like. i did my own research, and the results were quite positive, flushing has a major impact on chronic disease. will be looking forward to your paper.
good luck.
John g- and moreover.... johng
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This is a reply to # 412,990the abstract you posted didn't even reference "stones" coming from the liver... how about a study that shows that they sink in water too?
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This is a reply to # 413,034hardly. one person's flush? what happened to the double blind controlled ect ect standard? doesn't apply anymore? what about the red stones people flush? the calcified stones ect ect? are those people dreaming it, or just too uneducated to know that you can't flush calcified stones? what about the lab reports that show bile and cholesterol ect? sorry my friend, its just another chapter in a long story, which as yet has no ending. afterall, you yourself set the standard of the double blind controlled experiment... the experiment may explain some globs, but clearly not all.
John g- Re: and moreover.... resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 413,043oh you now concede that at least some blobs are not gallstones. in fact the green blobs were very like the green blobs described by many people.
the way in which you use the term PRCT suggests you do not understand the uses of the PRCT. a PRCT would be used to assess an intervention, not to determine whether green blobs are Gallstones or not.
I very much doubt medics would get much joy with a study to look at the products of the liver flush. would you volunteer?- Re: and moreover.... johng
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This is a reply to # 413,044i would if i could, but you see, i don't get stones anymore, so that's just not going to work. I am curious for your explanation as to why flushers stop getting stones eventually.
john g- Re: and moreover.... resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 413,045the green blobs may well stop appearing because the body adapts to taking large quantities of olive oil. I have said this before, and this once again does not relate to the fact that green blobs (that are soft and melt at room temperature) are not gallstones
- Re: and moreover.... johng
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This is a reply to # 413,048you asked for an explanation. my explanation makes sense in terms of my understanding of the workings of the body and specifically the body's many adaptive mechanisms. it is AN explanation, but I can't give any proof for that. obviously it depends on what the green blobs are
- Re: and moreover.... johng
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This is a reply to # 413,050you asked for an explanation. my explanation makes sense in terms of my understanding of the workings of the body and specifically the body's many adaptive mechanisms. it is AN explanation, but I can't give any proof for that. obviously it depends on what the green blobs are
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- Re: so do stones float or not? johng
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- Re: so do stones float or not? Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 412,983I believe that "transference" is a term coined by and used by the discipline of Psycho-analysis. Funnily enough, this is considered by large swathes of people in the community of medics and psychologists to be totally and utterly UNscientific.
Strange, isn't it, where people will turn to find ammunition when they are more interested in attacking an opponent than in gaining deeper understanding, during the course of an argument.
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- Re: so do stones float or not? resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 412,988so the Dead Sea (being saline) has the same effect on floating objects as the ocean?
in any case this argument is peripheral to the fact that green blobs are not gallstones
using exceptions to make your case is sophistry - try a wider research base and you may see the truth- Re: so do stones float or not? johng
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- Re: so do stones float or not? resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 412,992well that is not logical johng
do you still maintain the green squashable blobs that melt at room temperature are stones then?- Re: so do stones float or not? resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 412,993essentially your problem johng (which is a common one amongst devotees of alternative medicine) is that you like simplistic explanations, theories that sound "right". you think you can understand the biomedical literature without having had the training required. this leads to your errors which are repeated time after time by critics of conventional medicine.
- Re: so do stones float or not? johng
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This is a reply to # 412,994sorry res, but my likes are more simple than that. I like methods that work. conventional medicine failed me repeately or I would not even have looked for curezone. look a the numbers of people coming here, and you know I am not alone.
your attitude that lay people can't figure things out is yet another reason people dump their doctors. All i have seen here is you get caught time and time again bending the truth thinking that you would not get caught. what must frustrate you most, is that you cannot really defend the fact that i cured myself (with help from friends here) which my docs, who apparently are smart enough to understand the body while am not, failed. makes you wonder doesn't it?
i have to thank you for our exchanges, i've found them quite liberating. thank you. now, you really should work on that nearsightedness thing, it would free you up in many ways.
John g- Re: so do stones float or not? resurrectionist
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This is a reply to # 412,996as usual you misunderstand the point I made. there are certain things you need to know to interpret biomedical papers. you can learn these as a layperson, but it is apparent that you have not from the errors you make.
I do not understand the complex mechanics of my car. that does not mean I am not capable of understanding it, merely that it is not something I have learnt. You believe that a bit of "DIY" is the best thing for your body.
do you do all your own household repairs? if your computer was broken would you repair it yourself? who built your house?
unless you are a renaissance man with an IQ in 4 figures there is no way you can be an expert in everything. you can be a jack of all trades master of none tho.
you have looked for something which you believe will back up your opinion - and you have apparently (as far as you are concerned) succeeded. if you looked at all the material available (not just soundbites on the internet) you would see I am correct about gallstones. I know you won't accept that, and I know the reasons why. and you see I'm near-sighted? Think again
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