Questioning Liver Flush:
Quackery or Reliable Remedy?
Spirit Stojkovic & Agnes Tiller
CureZone Newsletter - "Educating
Instead of Medicating!"
Non-Commercial Health & Wellness Newsletter
Liver Flush Skepticism
An Interview with Spirit Stojkovic
Most of our readers know what "liver flush" is.
Simple protocol that involves drinking large amount of virgin olive oil with
freshly pressed juice from grapefruit or lemon or some other fruit: limes,
orange, apple, pineapple ... If you are not familiar with liver flush, please click
here to find out more.
Internet is an important tool for introducing many
different therapies, old and new, to wider public. But how do we know the
difference between quackery and genuine therapy? There are tens of thousands of
web sites promoting all possible cures and remedies for all possible Ailments
Where is the Science? Can we relay on science or what can we do?
Spirit: Most Alternative therapies are not
scientifically researched, and most of them will not be researched within next
50 or 100 years, most likely not even then. Waiting for professors and universities to come with scientific
backup is usually waste of health and waste of time. Instead, I suggest using
brain and getting some basic knowledge of Anatomy, Physiology, Chemistry,
Physics and Mechanics ... and then all that spiced with a grain of logic, a pinch
of common sense and a will and desire to understand!
Agnes: Then, how can I find if Liver Flush is a
genuine therapy that delivers results so much promoted on the internet and some
books. What if liver flush is just another sick joke, intended to disqualify Alternative
therapies and intended to scare anyone away from them?
Who is really looking
forward spending Saturday evening drinking bitter tasting Epsom salt,
and preparing to drink
full glass of olive oil mixed with fruit juice, hoping to spend whole Sunday
morning on the toilet with severe diarrhea?
Note exactly my favorite
weekend, don't you agree?
Spirit: You are right, it does sound as some sick joke.
Actually, many succesfull therapies sound quite scarry, just to name a few:
Enema, Colonics, Bowel cleanse, Kidney Cleansing, Amalgam Replacement, Ozone
Therapy, ... Alternative therapies sure sound very scary. I am sure that pills are far more "exciting". The real problem is, those
"exciting" pills does not deliver 1/10 of the results
delivered by liver flush. Large number of people used Liver flush as a
main cure for allergies, asthma, gallstones, eczema, food intolerance,
acne, psoriasis, acne, ... and usually after many promised cures
couldn't deliver relief.
Agnes: There are many web sites that attempt to ridicule
whole liver cleansing procedure, and are trying hard to present it as a quackery. Can
you give some comments? Some of them seems to be created by
people with extensive experience and knowledge ... Do you have any comment
on statements made by "The Pathology Guy"
on his "Ed's Guide to
[Ed]: "I'm afraid that they're not your gallstones. Here's why:
If you know a little basic chemistry, you'll realize what is happening. The
Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate, and the grapefruit contains some complex
carbohydrates. When these slosh around in the stomach and small intestine,
they'll form a tough film which will encase drops of olive oil. This will
produce some yellowish balls which will float in the toilet."
- Real gallstones are faceted polyhedra, like the ones in the picture on the
links below, or else shaped like mulberries. What you'll get from the recipe
are spheres. One of my correspondents describes a friend who saved the
spheres and displayed them to his friends.
- Real gallstones hurt bad when they pass through the cystic and common bile
- Real gallstones sink in water. (As an autopsy pathologist, I'm very
familiar with this.) The "gallstones" you'll produce from this
recipe will float, as the "alternative thinkers" themselves point
out. (They claim that real gallstones float, too. Liars.)
"Extensive experience and knowledge" may
be a good way to sell yourself, but I prefer to call it "lack of knowledge
and experience". This Ed's article have
been often used and quoted by "Skeptics", trying hard to find any bit of
information against Liver Flush.
Good news: Ed is wrong. One
member of CureZone web site, with username "Iris", gave
good reply to
Ed's article, and I mostly agree with her reply. You can read it yourself
Stones - most common result of liver flush are not
always stones from
gallbladder (but few stones may be from inside gallbladder).
Actually, most of those stones are formed inside bile ducts, "intrahepatic" stones, and they are not faceted
Number? Yes, it is true that gallbladder can't hold
thousands of stones, but liver is far larger organ. Do not forget that liver
and gallbladder are able to produce new stones within few
weeks! Even stones formed inside gallbladder are not always faceted
polyhedra, as you can see on the photos below: Photos of gallstones and gallbladder surgically removed, showing
stones of different shape. Click on the image to enlarge.
"Real gallstones hurt" - not always.
Many people passed stones
- no pain, and again, I would like to
repeat that most of the stones are NOT from gallbladder, they are from bile ducts.
Pain is reported in less then 1-3%
of all people who passed stones.
"Real gallstones sink in water" -
always! Large majority of gallstones are not calcified, are mainly composed of
cholesterol, and does not sink in water. Over 99% of all intrahepatic stones
are not composed of calcium, but are mainly composed of cholesterol, and
cholesterol is lighter then water.
I can easily understand
that skeptics like Ed and Quackbusters are against Liver Flush, because they are
against any and every alternative that works, and are trying with all
means to discredit values of liver flush. But how to explain the position of some
prominent teachers in alternative medicine, like Dr.
Weil, and Chet Day?
page: "Is There a Natural Way to Get Rid of
Gallstones?", Dr. Weil says:
"But there are no natural ways to "remove"
gallstones. The olive oil “treatment” you mention does not dissolve or
remove them. This folk remedy, known as a "liver flush," requires
drinking apple juice, Epsom salts, and a half-cup of olive oil with lemon
juice. The day after you manage to down the olive oil, you pass green globs
that you may think are dissolved gallstones but are actually the residue of
the olive oil you've consumed."
page, Chet Day writes:
what Naturopath Kevin Murray has learned:
I wanted to point out one thing about the liver flush. After recommending
this dozens of times to patients, and usually seeing a lot of benefit, there
are two concerns.
is that it can and does occasionally send people to the hospital with an
attack of cholitis if a stone becomes lodged in the biliary duct. The other
is that what people assume to be passing as gallstones, are actually soap
stones. If you leave them out at room temperature long enough, they will
if you send them to a lab, which many of my colleagues and I have done, you
will be disappointed. That's not to say that the treatment isn't helpful,
but people should not be misinformed that they are passing gallstones. At
least the half dozen sample I've sent in have all been "soap
Kevin Murray, ND, LAc
Spirit: The only explanation that I have is this: lack
of experience, and lack of knowledge. I will just point out to the
few hard facts that are contradicting statements given by Dr. Weil, and
Freshly made olive oil soap is always liquid, stones are
Freshly made olive oil soap is water soluble, stones are not
Kevin acknowledges that flush can move stone into "stuck"
position, but still denies that flush may move stone all the way out
- not very logical, I would say.
If you still think and believe
that stones are actually the residue of
the olive oil, you can easily prove yourself wrong in a single
flush, as suggested in Dyeing
to know the answer
"Next time you do a flush, add an extra ingredient:
some harmless organic food coloring of a kind that is not affected by
digestion, but is oil soluble and water soluble, and will color all
ingredients: olive oil, juice, water mixed with Epsom salt.
Suppose you use red food coloring. Then when the stone-like
objects come out, if they are truly from the liver/gallbladder, cutting them
open with a knife should reveal that the stones have green or brown
interiors but are green or stained on the outside with red. If they are red
inside, they were formed in the intestine during digestion, and they are actually the residue of
the olive oil/juice."
My addition to this idea:
I have tried it myself, and few of my friends tried it with "red beat juice"
and "red pepper powder".
Boiled red beat juice gives
color that colors stool. Dry red pepper powder gets
easily mixed with oil and all other ingredients. Together, those 2 natural colorings
give both red stool, and red urine.
Result of al Dyeing Flush
Experiments: Green/yellow stones.
I am looking forward to get a single stone colored red, to be able
to accept that maybe, some part of flush ingredients does get involved in
creation of at least one single stone.
I will not debate any more
previous statements, but I will try to
give you several articles/messages written by CureZone members, articles that scientifically
and logically contradict statements and observations given by both Dr. Weil, and Dr. Kevin:
What about Stone getting stuck? How real is the threat of stone causing
serious problems and creating need for an emergency surgery?
All stones inside liver and inside bile ducts are "stuck stones".
They are occupying some parts of the ducts, preventing free bile flow, causing
bile stagnation and are responsible for the creation of new stones. Those stones
will stay at the same position until they totally move out - into intestines,
while doing flush - or until they move down the tubes - down the bile ducts -
and take some other position - "new position".
As tubes are not use to having stone in the "new position" , it can
cause and produce pain or uncomfortable feeling.
Epsom salt helps!
Another flush, the very next day helps!
Hot bath helps!
Foot zone massage helps!
How often does it really happens
that stone gets stuck? In my opinion, your chances are much higher to get involved into traffic accident, then to experience stone stuck pain. Most of us are using busses, cars and trains, and are aware that it might be dangerous, but most of us will never experience any pain caused by traffic accident, just like most of us will never experience any pain caused by stone being stuck. As I said, stones are already "stuck inside" your ducts, and if that is not causing constant pain, then those stones will most likely never cause any pain during flush. But, the fact is that less then 3%
of all people may experience some pain, but it doesn't mean that will need surgery or will need ER treatment.
There is a long list of natural remedies that can be used in case of pain, and some of them are listed on this page: Gallstones Attack! Pain ... What can I do?
Here is one such experience recorded few days ago:
Julia suffered pain after flush, but, as she reports:
"I tried the bath and
also had some of Dr. Schulze's Detox tea. Both seemed to help a lot! I don't know if it was the effects of the tea itself or the heat but what little pain was left after the bath, disappeared after the tea."
Now, I have the last question: If the flush is so effective, and is a genuine therapy with the potential to help large number of people, how is that possible that it is not accepted by medical establishment?
We are not living in a perfect world. There is a standard called
The Standard of Care,
and doctors are only allowed to practice medicine as it is established by the The
Standard of Care. Breaching the
standard of medical care can be very costly for doctors.
It is true that Liver flush can be of great help for people suffering from heart illness, gallstones, chest pain, allergies, asthma, leg pains, arm pains, shoulder pains, upper back pains, inflammatory bowel diseases, cancer and many other illness.
But, there is a major problem that will prevent liver flush becoming The
Standard of Care
That problem is Greed and Money!
I will give you some US
statistics, just to understand how powerful actually is pharmaceutical industry, and how much money they may loose, if Olive oil and grapefruit juice would become the standard of care for Allergies:
Allergies are the 6th leading
cause of chronic disease in the United States, costing the health care
system $18 billion annually.
Each year more than 50 million
Americans suffer from allergic diseases.
Approximately 16.7 million
office visits to health care providers each year are attributed to allergic
Allergies are $18 billion
And, now imagine people start
using cleanses and cleanups and imagine only 1/2 of them get cured.
Result: Medical establishment
looses $9 billion. Can you imagine how much money is $9 billion? How
many jobs? How many products?
Would you like to loose $9
"A healthy population means a
dead pharmaceutical industry."
In reality, liver flush and other
flushes would work in over 90% of all cases, resulting loss of over $16 billion
loss for pharmaceutical industry and medical establishment!
And, I was only presenting the
story called "Allergies".
What about Gallstones? Cancer?
Asthma? Eczema? Psoriasis? Heart diseases? AIDS? CFIDS? ADD/ADHD?
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$$$
DOLLARS are on stake!
Did you get the picture?
Do you understand why NOW? It is very simple. It's all about the Money.
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will be diagnosed among women in the United States. It is estimated
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Atopic dermatitis is one of
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estimated prevalence in the United States is 9 percent. The prevalence of
atopic dermatitis appears to be increasing.
Chronic sinusitis is the most
commonly reported chronic disease, affecting 12.6 percent of people
(approximately 38 million) in the United States in 1996.
In 1996, estimated U.S. health care expenditures attributable to sinusitis
were more than $5.8 billion.
Experts estimate that food
allergy occurs in 8 percent of children 6 years of age or under, and in 1 to
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If you are interested to
learn more about the link between Money and Poor health care, good place to
start learning is this collection of hundreds of articles: http://curezone.com/art/1.asp?C0=13
Spirit, thank you for answering those most common questions.
Those of you who would like you read several more interesting questions, can
read them here:
Flush FAQ - Gallstones & Gallbladder Cleanse FAQ
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