BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? 
Ohfor07
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Putting this post out there as a general inquiry to find out if anyone here can provide some commentary and or insight to the company, product and designer of products.
As part of the diganoses from the initial examination of my health condition, a holistic MD has recommeneded I change the brand of vitamin C I use. One of the principal reasons of his advice is that the brand he suggested is one of only 4 (so he says) brands of C on the entire market that are not derived from Corn. He further made the point that since the late 90s, pretty much any and all forms of C derrived from Corn and similar plant/vegetable sources are increasingly suspect due to the increasing proliferation of GM-derrived plants/vegetables that litter our food supply.
I had been using Natrol's powdered Ester-C for many years, pretty much following the Pauling daily dosing, realzing this may not be the ideal brand/form, but one that I had gotten accustomed to, with benefits, and one that does not contribute to my general problems with acid indigestion.
The brand this new doc advises is from company named Bio Immune, the product called Absorbic C, and the designer/MD of this product is a fellow named Arnold Takemoto. This product is (apparently) pharmacological grade, whatever significance this may have. It is in a liquid form (somewhat gooey, yellow syrup). This product's apparent claim to fame is that it's design provides 100% absorption, which seems to account for the significant reduction (from what I'm accustomed to) in daily dose they suggest - 1 teaspoon, which provides 934 miligrams of C, as well as bits of Magnesium Oxide, and Alpha Lipoic Acid, and a pretty good dose of Lecithin (553 miligrams of Phosphotidyl Choline also included in each teaspoon), plus a bit of Disodium EDTA.
Same doctor has also suggested another product from the same company to assist me in mercury chelation; had 12 Amalgams removed this past spring. This product is called Max Detox, in a similar yellow liquid form. Interestingly, the detox formula contains pretty much the same ingredients as the C product, except in different proportions with the EDTA of course being the principal ingredient.
There does not seem to be a large body of info and or commentary on the web about this company, it's products, or it's MD/Chemist, which is why I'm seeking input from the forum; I'm also naturally curious if this lack of info is due to the company/products being somewhat new, or perhaps for other reasons... ?
Any and all genuine comments are welcome.
Thanks.
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- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? northstar
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MoreThis is a reply to # 375,101I believe that 90% of all ascorbic acid is made in the lab from corn starch. I know a lot of companies put on the label no corn, but what they are saying there is no physical corn. So if says ascorbic acid as the main ingredient then its synthetic.
After learning about this and reading about how synthetic vitamins are made, I switch to natural forms of c like Camu Camu Berries powder from The Synergy Company which has about 600mg of powder per 1/4 teaspoon. But when a lab measures it they can only record ascorbic acid not the other forms of c. The Dr. who discovred vitamin C recommend nevering taking this in an isolated form and This Dr. was before Linus Pauling. I have also added 1500mg of Rosehips to my daily C intake and along with adding Goji Berries to my protein drinks. I believe your body knows what to do with whole foods compared to isolates otherwise the creator would have made ascorbic acid powder for us!
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- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 375,107I agree that naturally derived C is optimum. For the longest time, however, going back several decades, there were not many/any providers of bulk natural C making themselves and their products readily known to the kinds of health-minded people who would use such a product. Of recent years this has improved but now there is the additional burden of convincing long time synthetic users why they should switch.
FWIW, I found a little more info on Bio-Immune's Absorbic-C, just last night, which indicates it is derived from beets.
- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Chazz
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This is a reply to # 375,108Seems to me all the studies and all the successes in vitamin C therapy used the synthetic forms!! According to Pauling a molecule is a molecule! I can buy 16oz of ascorbate acid enough to last quite awhile at 18 grams a day for 17.95 what would the equivelant of that in natural C products cost me! Enough Im sure that I would not take it as readily as I do the synthetic! I like the best like anyone else but I cant afford to be a purist and get the same effects from any other product! I also have not seen very many studies to show that natural is any better then the synthetic C!
- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 375,110Thanks for reminding and confirming something I had allowed myself to flirt with forgetting, Chaz.
Read an article last night from an apparent pro-C doctor who was discussing the pros and cons of natural vs synthetic, and stated, to paraphrase "....for instance, one who contracts Scurvy cannot cure it by using synthetic C, they MUST use some natural form..... ". I read this and thought to myself.... "hmmmmm, that does not sound like it jive's with my memory of what Pauling advocated for many years..... has there been a new discovery that I missed?" Going out of my way to give benefit of the doubt here, the amount of C required to knock out Scurvy is so trivial that it certainly would not require big bucks natural C to remedey, just consume some oranges or limes for a while. Still, it leaves me to wonder about the motives or perspective of the doctor that made this statement.
Agreed on the cost issue for natural vs synthetic. The stuff I'm trying is_not_cheap, but for now it's at the advice of my holistic MD, so I'm willing to go with it for a while. For the masses, at least there is now a bit more of a range out there for people to choose from however they may decide to. At the same time it is a bit ironic; even 10 or 20 years ago, your average MD and medical scholar was scoffing at the (relatively) cheap synthetic brand's out there (the $15 - $20 per pound stuff) pontificating that the only thing it is good for is "expensive urine", but now these years later, there are manya MD wrapped around these much more expensive pharmacological brands. All the while these same types usually seem to be scarce when it comes to publicly commenting on the truth of mainstream drugs, the best often of which is that they produce far more expenive urine, the worst of which is that they do this at the additional expense and destruction of one's health and internal organs.- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Chazz
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This is a reply to # 375,111I think you will see many many more MDs supporting supplement use in thier highly expensive cocktail patented forms as Codex implementation becomes more enforced!
We will be able to get suppliments of course but at a much higher price , along with a doctors appoinment fees and being put in the position to be subjected to more pharmaceutical drugs promoted and proposed to you from that visit also! MDs win all the way around! So do the pharmaceutical companies!- Vitmain C synthetic vs. natural tobi
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This is a reply to # 375,112As far as I know almost all studies on C were done on
isolated ascorbic acid, either buffered or not.
Just because it is isolated and concentrated it does not mean it is "synthetic".
If you eat the fruit you also get the bioflavanoids and other beneficial factors
that work in unison with ascorbic acid. These serve both to help absorb ascorbic acid, to buffer it, and to offset potential side effects throughout the metabolic process if the entire spectrum of needed co factors are not available to the body.
Most fruits are made this way. For example, apple seeds are great but if you eat a cup full, you could get sick from it, and there is one person in the medical records that has died from doing this. The apple itself has the cofactors that go along with the apple seed, and if you eat both, you won't get sick or toxic. This is true for most fruits.
Most C is isolated from corn. It is cheap because corn is cheap. Try to get non Genetically-Modified-Organisms corn. Some is isolated from beets. That is also cheap but not as cheap as corn. A few C supplements are isolated from fruits, or so the manufacturers claim. These are extremely expensive. If fact so expensive that the great majority of people could not obtain therapeutic amounts. It would cost $1000s per month to get the same doses as corn isolated ascorbic acid.
The fact is that what is isolated from beets, corn or fruit is the same...namely ascorbic acid. Most ascorbic acid powders/pills come with added bioflavonoids like those in rosehips. Of course this is not the same as the whole fruit but then neither is the fruit isolated ascobic acid!
What I do is I buy buffered ascorbic acid and drink it in fresh squeezed fruit juice. Inexpensive and the best compromise. Best would be to also get the skin of the fruit but that has pesticides so unfortunately that is something I feel I need to give up. Of course once the codex comes in this year, we will no longer be able to get vit c except by prescription and only in low doses. 100 milligrams/day.
- Re: Vitmain C synthetic vs. natural Ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 375,113Good info Tobi. Thanks.
Can you name or identify any common brands of Synthetic, for no other reason than to help be on the look out for them so as to avoid.
When my holistic MD was running down the short list of C brands that are not derrived from corn, he mentioned at least one derrived from potato, but I do not recall who the manufacturer was nor their brand name.
- Re: Vitmain C synthetic vs. natural tobi
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This is a reply to # 375,114
I think any brand of vitamin C that is non Genetically-Modified-Organisms corn is fine. The label usually says non-GMO or no GMOs = (Genetically Modified Organism(s)). Mexican corn believe it or not is the best and is non Genetically-Modified-Organisms by in large. The farmers stood up to protect their corn industry from Genetically-Modified-Organisms contamination but only for corn. Not other foods. They have 100's of types of corn in Mexico and is part of their cultural identity. Apparently, Mexicans can by American GMO corn seeds cheaper (due to the large government subsidies on these) than the Mexican organic seeds but most of the farmers refuse to do so. I think they are a hell of a lot smarter than farmers here in this respect.
There is a number of very large companies that have a policy to use non GMO plants for all their vitamins/supplements and have their own farms. It won't be hard for you to find which these are. If I were you I'd go to a number of small family owned supplement stores. They frequently buy these brands and can tell you what you are asking me in detail.
- Re: Vitmain C synthetic vs. natural ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 375,115Once again Tobi, thanks for an excellent and informative post.
I'll say this about the documentary you watched - I unplugged my TV nearly 6 months ago. I won't go so far as to say that 100% of all content on every channel is bogus, but the mix of truths and half truths so rampant in all TV/Cable/Movie content is just too devious for my mind to continually battle to discern the truth from the lies. It sounds like the journalists you mentioned went out on a limb to sneak some actual truth into the program.... and paid the price for it, which does not surprise me at all.
I'll continue on my quest for good-brands of non-GM C; having been searching for months and will continue to do so. Also for months I've been trying to get the owner of my favorite mom&pop health store to at least become somewhat aware of the encroaching CODEX issue. Unfortunately, I continue to get the somewhat polite "oh, this can't be true" reaction. :( Back in the day, Pauling relied a particular company (Bronson?) but that was years ago; these days it's really hard to know if/when any big corp is truly providing a legit and untainted product OR if they are in bed (a BIG bed by the way) with others of the many, many, many prostitutes/scammers and higher-up pay-masters. That is interesting that Mexico has non-GM corn..... perhaps I may be one of the few going the other way across the wide-open border.
Thanks.
- Re: Vitmain C synthetic vs. natural ohfor07
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This is a reply to # 375,101Hi O,
As long as what you are using is 100% pure ascorbic acid, i.e. C6H8O6, then its source is irrelevant, e.g. the astronauts all drink 100% H2O derived from their urine. The source does not matter as long as what you end up with are only the molecules you want.
Ascorbic acid itself has been shown to chelate out lead.
As "grist for your mill," I myself have taken a "bowel tolerance" dose (in HEALTH, not illness) - http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm of ascorbic acid every day since 1994, amounting to, on average, 30,000 to 60,000 milligrams (approximately 1 to 2 ounces) in 5 to 10 divided doses (and will continue to do so for the rest of my life). This is MY bowel tolerance dosage. Your bowel tolerance dosage may be more, or less, than mine, and will undoubtedly vary depending on your current overall health and diet. Each person must find their own bowel tolerance dose each day (although ingesting ANY ascorbate is MUCH better than none). Virtually any mammal you can name (standardized to 154 pounds/70 kilos) produces a minimum of from 2,000 to 13,000 milligrams of ascorbic acid EVERY day of its life, and under "stress" one was recorded to have produced 100,000 milligrams in 24 hours. Need we wonder why their health always seems to be so much better than ours?
Best,
David
- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Desertme
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This is a reply to # 375,410I see this is a very old thread. I found it when looking to see if I could order more Absorbic C online or have to call Takemoto's office (if it's still there). An ND told me about this when IVs were painful for me. It's expensive but very helpful in a crisis.
- Re: BioImmune's "Absorbic C" anyone? Desertme
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