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Hi all,
I am new to this forum, although have browsed it a bit over the last couple months. I'm currently on Day 5 of my third water fast; I did two fasts back in October: 3 and 7 days. My main source of guidance is Stephen Buhner's wonderful "Transformational Fasting," which goes far beyond just the physical aspect of it, but I also have the Fung book, and have researched a ton on the internet - so I know the basics.
My reasons for fasting include weight loss, psoriasis, and some emotional/spiritual stuff, which I won't go into here. I have a few questions that I haven't found direct answers to, that I hope to get clarity on.
I am planning to do juice only for 2-3 days on refeeding, before moving to fruits, veggies, and a whole foods healthy diet. With regards to this, I have a couple questions:
1. How to minimize weight gain post-fasting? I understand the basics - conscious and slow refeeding,and healthy Diet and lifestyle after. But I'm wondering if there are any tips to keeping that weight gain below 5 lbs or so.
2. Another question, related: Will I gain or lose weight while switching to juices and out of ketosis? I plan on doing a mixture of fruit and green vegetable juices. I can't seem to find any info on this. I know some weight is gained through refeeding, but if I do 2-3 days of juice only, I'm hoping I'll lose another pound or two. The reason I ask, is that I'm trying to plot out potential weight loss, which will determine when I end the water fast.
A third question:
3. I was really, really tempted by food on the nights of Days 2-4, and almost caved (but didn't!). Thankfully I feel a lot less tempted today! A question that arose is let's say I had caved and eaten moderately - what i really craved was tuna and gluten-free crackers, or possibly stewed apples - and then immediately went back on water-only. Would ketosis take another 3 days to get going again, or would it restart more quickly? By the way, I think I was in ketosis sometime in Day 2, as that is when I started getting the "ketones taste" in my mouth. Or is this not recommended?
I read something on FastingConnection by Dr Andre Kruger ("The Fast Doctor") about having a 10-day window after a Water Fast in which you can easily re-activate the "fasting metabolism." This has also led me to think that I'd like to include a 24-hour fast one day a week for the rest of my life (I have been playing with intermittent fasting already...I was at 250 lbs back in May or so, and lost 30 lbs in about three months, before plateauing at 220ish for a month or two, then moving on to water fasting).
As for my results so far, I've lost 11.6 lbs in four days, going from 213.2 to 201.6, losing 2.2 - 3.4 lbs each day. My ultimate goal weight is to get below 180 (I'm a 6' male, medium build), but I don't foresee doing that on this fast. I want to be back to a regular diet no later than December 21, so that I can bake and enjoy holiday cookies with my girls. I'd really like to do 10 days total, which will get me below 190, so that when I refeed I will hopefully stay below 195 or so. I'm OK losing the last 15+ lbs the old fashioned way. All tolled, I've lost about 50 pounds since July - so I'm quite pleased. Only another 20-25 to go!
As for my psoriasis, it has lightened a bit but not significantly changed. It has improved significantly since taking better care of myself, but there are still some rather stubborn patches. I'm guessing that I'd really need to do more like 10+ days to see major clearing, but we will see. I am also hoping that going onto a very clean whole foods diet will help with this; I am fairly certain the major triggers are dairy, sugar, alcohol, and wheat, and possibly nightshades, so I plan on minimizing those. But I'm hoping that 7-10 days of Water Fasting will help heal up the gut.
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I regained most of the weight I lost from the previous two fasts. I went from 220 to 198, and then a month and a half later I was back to 213. I think the main reason I re-gained so much is that I went back to old eating habits: too much ice cream, beer, cheese, bread, etc.- I think the main reason I re-gained ... White Shark
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You are 100% right about that.
Some people, including you , can not stay slim if they consume milk, grains and sugar.
Why ?
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This is a reply to # 2,394,2131. How to minimize weight gain post-fasting?
Strict discipline!
As strict as a person addicted to heroin.
Make a conscious decision to never again take heroin (wheat, milk, sugar, bear and other grains, in your case), and stick to it.
Consider yourself an addict to grains, milk and sugar.
To control your addiction, the easiest way is never to taste it again. Every time you taste grains or milk or sugar, or beer, you will want more, and you will easily gain 5-10 pounds in less than 1-3 days.
Strict discipline is the only way, or you will be like a Yo-Yo dieter the rest of your life, gaining and losing 30 pounds.
"Will I gain or lose weight while switching to juices and out of ketosis? "
Yes, you will. Unless the amount of juice consumed is so low, that you burn it very quickly.
Big part of weight gain during re-feeding is water, as big part of weight loss during Water Fasting is water loss.
As soon as you start consuming fruit juices, Sugar in fruit juices or carrot juices will kick you out of ketosis,
and your body will start storing both some water and some fat, and your weight will go up, unless you consume very small amount.
"Would ketosis take another 3 days to get going again, or would it restart more quickly? "
That depends on the amount of carbs you consume.
You can stay in ketosis even after you start eating, if you consume just fat and proteins.
If you consume carbs like cookies, carbs will immediately convert into sugars, and body will start burning sugars. Once sugars are gone, body will go back into ketosis, it will definitively take shorter time, if it was just one meal. But you will suffer hunger even more.
Psoriasis is just one of symptoms of dysbiosis, leaky gut and malfunctioning liver.
But, in comparison to teen acne, or seb-derm, this is more severe case of dysbiosis, leaky gut and malfunctioning liver.
It means, it will take longer to cure it, than for example teen acne, or Seborrheic Dermatitis .
Time it takes to cure Psoriasis is similar to the time it would take to cure a severe case of Adult Acne.
Water fasting may help cure Psoriasis, but there are no 100% cures with water fasting.
Some people get cured, but not all!!!!
The same is true with every single modality.
Combining several different approaches may speed up the healing !!!
Strict discipline with diet (no milk, no grains , no sugar, no fried oils, no junk , no processed meats, no industrially processed anything ) can eliminate Psoriasis in most people .
If Water Fasting does not cure it, there are many other ways to try:
- Fecal Transplant can also help cure leaky gut , dysbiosis, and Psoriasis;
- Liver Flushing can also help cure leaky gut, dysbiosis, and Psoriasis ;
- Iodine may help, if you are deficient, and many people are ;
- coffee enema may help cure it ;
- colostrum may help cure it ;
- probiotics may help ;
- Probiotics Enema may help ;
- yogurt enema may help ;
- Elimination-Rotation Diet can help too ;
- TCM may help !
- Taking sacred herbs internally that helps cure liver and intestines may help, like Essiac , Lapacho , burdock , slippery elm , etc
Good luck with your fasting!
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Thanks for the thorough and quick response, White Shark. Lots of great advice. A couple things I wanted to respond to.
For one, I totally agree about strict discipline, but I don't think it is black and white. In some cases, yes - when a person truly cannot moderate; but that is the key word: moderation. I do think it is possible to minimize but still enjoy certain foods, it just takes a ton of mindfulness and self-discipline.
My current plan is to transition out of Water Fasting with juices only for 2-3 days, then adding in over the next few days, steamed veggies and miso, fruits, salads, cooked veggies, nuts and seeds, eggs, and then fish and chicken. Eventually I will re-introduce small amounts of whole grains, dairy, grass-fed beef - but only as occasional treats. And every so often a glass of wine, and on very rare occasions a beer. I also find I do better on healthier sweeteners like maple syrup, honey, and coconut sugar.
In other words, a healthy, whole foods diet. As I go into it, I will pay attention to the impact on weight and psoriasis. The only foods that I'll avoid 99% of the time (except holidays, birthdays, etc) are cane sugar, corn syrup, heavily processed foods, junk foods, etc. In other words, no more Ben & Jerry's! :(
Going back to the question on ketosis, do you know how many carbs would stop ketosis? I've read both 50 and 100 grams. The snack I was most craving--tuna salad with organic, gluten free crackers--would probably be around 40ish carbs. I was tempted to try a fast at some point in which it was water-only all day, with that tuna and cracker snack at night, just to give some protein and sense of satisfaction. Do you think weight loss would be significantly less that way?
p.s. What is with this archaic forum formatting? It feels like 20 years old!
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